Eldon (WA)
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To do to the JD 3010 where it takes less than a half hour with my AC's. What did I just get done doing??
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J.Wondergem
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Start it? LOL. Just kidding, I have NO idea.
Eldon (WA)
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I guess not too many are into guessing...but thought someone would have figured it out. I had to set the wheels in...piece of cake on the Allis 175....not so much on a Deere! Now I have a catch in my shoulder from all the beatin and hammerin
Eldon (WA)
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Well you would have been totally wrong as I have spent more time working on this one tractor than all of my AC's combined this year!
Eldon (WA)
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Time really has no effect on the newer AC's with the one piece wedge...now with the old style eccentrics you could be right.
Eldon (WA)
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Just the opposite! The Deere is for sale!
37chief
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- California
Probably trying to restart after running out of fuel. Any way that is about the time it took me. when I ran my 401 out of fuel. Stan
Brown Swiss
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Sounds right, and tuckered out to boot I bet! Went to 30 inch rows a few years ago and needed to narrow in the 4020 for
spraying, made me appreciate my Masseys with the PAVT wheels.
spraying, made me appreciate my Masseys with the PAVT wheels.
farmer boy
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What about it took so long? What went wrong?
My guess is you've been grousing about this for tractor over four hours already because you are unfamiliar with it. Any 50 plus year old tractor is going to have some issues, need some repairs, and need to be re-adjusted to match your new uses. Getting to know a new-to-you machine always takes a while. Most of the problems have been easy fixes, once you knew what to do. Adjusting the safety was simple, once you knew where to look. Adjusting the wheel tread wasn't done the same way as on your ACs, but you knew it wasn't the same when you bought it.
It sounds like there is not much wrong with the tractor besides it's not an AC. Sell it and buy an AC and you will be happier.
Sorry for the rant, it's gotten under my skin.
It sounds like there is not much wrong with the tractor besides it's not an AC. Sell it and buy an AC and you will be happier.
Sorry for the rant, it's gotten under my skin.
OK, being honest here, lets evaluate this. As we get started I'm not a JD fan. My evaluation of tractors has nothing to do with color and everything to do with function!
What is the average market value of an AC of similar HP in work clothing? The Nebraska test put the AC 175 just a tad more HP.
From what I can find an AC175 is worth between 4000 and 5000 with decent tires. Here not that much. I'd bet you would have a hard time getting 3500 for one here.
JD3010 in the same condition? Between 6000 and 6500. Here about that price range.
Now JD built about 44,000 3010s opposed to about 6500 175s built by AC. So the 175 is rare compared to the JD.
So why is the JD worth more? It's not a rare compared to the 175. It's older. According to tractor data they are very close to the same HP with the 175 just a tad more. I believe the 175 had the PD with on the go high low shifting while the JD only had partial syncro shift. The AC is newer, JD 3010 produced from 61-63 and the 175 from 70-80. That raises another question. How did JD sell 44,000 in a 2 year production run and AC couldn't sell but 6500 in 10 years? Heck, IH's release of the 60 series was rocked with problems yet they sold 7100 diesel 460s in 4 years in spite of those problems that mostly affected the 560. Don't know how many gassers they sold. They too are worth less than the 3010.
Ask yourself those questions. Be brutally honest! There has to be a reason. Heck in the first few years of the 175 production the US economy was still good and farmers were buying all kinds of new equipment right up through 78 or so. Just better marketing? Or is it reality a better tractor? Now be honest! Don't let your love of AC put blinders on you!
Just because the one you bought doesn't have power adjust rims doesn't make it a bad tractor. You can buy those!
Bet that 3010 has better parts support from JD too! Now I'm not talking aftermarket, I'm talking dealer support!
Note: I'm not knocking anything here, just looking for an honest evaluation!
Rick
What is the average market value of an AC of similar HP in work clothing? The Nebraska test put the AC 175 just a tad more HP.
From what I can find an AC175 is worth between 4000 and 5000 with decent tires. Here not that much. I'd bet you would have a hard time getting 3500 for one here.
JD3010 in the same condition? Between 6000 and 6500. Here about that price range.
Now JD built about 44,000 3010s opposed to about 6500 175s built by AC. So the 175 is rare compared to the JD.
So why is the JD worth more? It's not a rare compared to the 175. It's older. According to tractor data they are very close to the same HP with the 175 just a tad more. I believe the 175 had the PD with on the go high low shifting while the JD only had partial syncro shift. The AC is newer, JD 3010 produced from 61-63 and the 175 from 70-80. That raises another question. How did JD sell 44,000 in a 2 year production run and AC couldn't sell but 6500 in 10 years? Heck, IH's release of the 60 series was rocked with problems yet they sold 7100 diesel 460s in 4 years in spite of those problems that mostly affected the 560. Don't know how many gassers they sold. They too are worth less than the 3010.
Ask yourself those questions. Be brutally honest! There has to be a reason. Heck in the first few years of the 175 production the US economy was still good and farmers were buying all kinds of new equipment right up through 78 or so. Just better marketing? Or is it reality a better tractor? Now be honest! Don't let your love of AC put blinders on you!
Just because the one you bought doesn't have power adjust rims doesn't make it a bad tractor. You can buy those!
Bet that 3010 has better parts support from JD too! Now I'm not talking aftermarket, I'm talking dealer support!
Note: I'm not knocking anything here, just looking for an honest evaluation!
Rick
Eldon (WA)
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Notice how everything I posted was fine until the dreaded AC is mentioned LOL!
Eldon (WA)
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It's all in the marketing...Green sells! Fortunately I am going to make some easy money selling this tractor.
Tx Jim
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You better take advantage of the "green paint sells" before you have trouble with the 24 volt electrical system or you'll need some more cheese to go with your wine. :lol:
Tx.Ricefields
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I use to like Eldon's posts.....until he bought the 3010!
Actually back in that day when the 3010 came out JD was not the leader. IH was in the lead with both AC and JD far behind. Then IH had the release of the 560 blow up in their faces and with JD's new line of tractors they jumped way ahead in sales. So no, marketing back in that day wasn't why. The marketing leading was IH but no amount of advertising could overcome the negative side of the 560 release.
I did say be brutally honest.
If you look at the history of advertising in the mid to late 50's and early to mid 60's advertisers were really pushing new "modern" things. Literally something made a year ago was painted by them as being old and antiquated while the (insert item) new was modern and better. So IH's new item didn't measure up. AC didn't offer a new item and was only offering tractors that hit the market in 57. So AC didn't gain much ground over IH's failure with the 560. So in buyers minds IH was flawed. AC was antique and the others, Oliver, MM and MF just didn't have the dealer network or facilities to compete. And JD had a new design, more modern than their old 2 cylinders.
Heck, the second most produced tractor in the world was the Farmall H that didn't really have any big improvements through most of it's production run. Even AC beat them with live PTO. So why was Ford and IH sales leaders while your much vaunted AC's just were not as popular? A friend claims that when he was a kid and a small town near us had their harvest festival that they had tractor pulls when most competitors were running work tractors. He says that AC's were always winning. So if that's the case just why wasn't AC as popular? When we moved here in 1972 I loved tractors. There were a few AC's around. Some JD's, Olivers and such and tons of IH/Farmall. So why was that? People just didn't like the orange paint? Or were there problems somewhere else? Like poor dealers? Short comings with the tractors? What?
IH guys like to claim the first diesel when that isn't true. AC guys like to claim the first turbo tractor when that isn't true either. Some JD guys claim the first live PTO when that isn't true either. So just what was it that made other tractors to working farms so much more desirable than AC? Why did IH sell 500K H's. How did JD sell 44K 3010s in 3 years? Sure by the time AC finally released the 175 marketing was starting to play a big role with farmers. So why didn't AC try a different marketing approach?
I know the attitude of the Farmers in this area in 72/73 was that AC was what you bought when you wanted to keep up with your neighbor and his new tractor but couldn't afford a "decent tractor" (their words, not mine). And we had at that time a really good dealer just 14 miles away. Nearest IH was 25 miles and JD, for a decent dealer was the same.
By the early 70's IH had surpassed JD in sales. AC didn't really gain much. Why? Were all the guys with JD and IH equipment just stupid? Or were there short comings with AC tractors? Like with major engine rebuild intervals? Or tranny issues? Or Hydraulic issues?
Rick
Actually they made more 8N Fords than H's. For the most part it was the local dealer. I grew up in an area that was thick with Deere's mostly because we had a Deere dealer in town, If you
wanted an IH you had to go to a nearby village (and pass another John Deere dealer to get there) If you wanted a Ferguson or an AC you had to go to the county seat, if you wanted a Ford
you had to go into the nearest "Big City" or the other side of the county seat in the next county over, nearest Oliver dealer was 30+ miles, The local Case dealer was 10-15 miles the other
side of the county seat not sure where there was a Moline dealer. After the J D Dealer closed many of the Full time farmers in the area started using Massey Fergusons, don't know why but
they did. My wife's grand parents were a John Deere Dealer in the two cylinder era, the city they were in has a lot of Allis Chalmers, why - The AC dealer stayed in business longer but now
they do Massey Fergusons, betting more MF tractors are getting sold there. My former neighbor was telling me about the town we loved in, two churches, the Lutherans had orange tractors the
Catholics Green ones 'cause the Case Dealer was owned by a Lutheran, the John Deere Dealer by a Catholic. At one time that little village had two grocery stores, two hardware stores two
general stores, two implement dealers.... get the point, Oh and for the most part the Lutherans lived on the East side of the River, the Catholics west of the river.
wanted an IH you had to go to a nearby village (and pass another John Deere dealer to get there) If you wanted a Ferguson or an AC you had to go to the county seat, if you wanted a Ford
you had to go into the nearest "Big City" or the other side of the county seat in the next county over, nearest Oliver dealer was 30+ miles, The local Case dealer was 10-15 miles the other
side of the county seat not sure where there was a Moline dealer. After the J D Dealer closed many of the Full time farmers in the area started using Massey Fergusons, don't know why but
they did. My wife's grand parents were a John Deere Dealer in the two cylinder era, the city they were in has a lot of Allis Chalmers, why - The AC dealer stayed in business longer but now
they do Massey Fergusons, betting more MF tractors are getting sold there. My former neighbor was telling me about the town we loved in, two churches, the Lutherans had orange tractors the
Catholics Green ones 'cause the Case Dealer was owned by a Lutheran, the John Deere Dealer by a Catholic. At one time that little village had two grocery stores, two hardware stores two
general stores, two implement dealers.... get the point, Oh and for the most part the Lutherans lived on the East side of the River, the Catholics west of the river.
Traditional Farmer
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- Virginia
Thats why I never own a JD tractor very long lots of people with $$$$$ out there that think JD makes a better tractor than any other.
Traditional Farmer
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- Virginia
Sucker and their money are soon parted.
That's not necessarily true. Here we had a very local JD dealer in 72. He just wasn't very good. 8 miles from our place. A Ford dealer 8 miles the other way, also not very good. An AC dealer very good 6 miles past the JD guy. Another good JD, IH, AC, Oliver and Case 25 miles west and MF right at 60. MM had a dealer 25 miles north but you never saw MM right here and darn little there. The JD guy had really poor parts and service support, that's the one 8 miles away. That accounts for the lack of JD in the area at the time. The Ford guy sold cars too and was only selling Ford/New Holland because it was forced on him. So you can guess how good he was. The AC dealer was super. Large inventory of parts and a good service department. Got passed on to 2 sons who learned well from their father. They didn't move much new equipment but sold lots of used and parts. So all the IH stuff in the area here doesn't add up. Now the JD dealer died in the mid 70's and another JD dealer bought the dealership, built a new building and by 78 JD was gaining a lot of ground in our area. They went under in the 80's. Now today almost everyone in our area is CaseIH with a few JD's around. AGCO stuff is few and far between. The AC then AGCO dealer sold out about 5 or 6 years ago, the 2 brothers decided to retire. The guy that bought them out ran it into the ground inside of 2 years.
Rick
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