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rangerphil

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I am looking at a Ford 3600 diesel with 2,028 hours showing. The owner bought it a a farm auction 2 yrs ago and it has sat unused during that time. He recently had the injector pump replaced after he broke a fitting trying to stop a fuel leak. I drove the tractor and it seems to run great and all gears worked and the clutch appears good. Here's the issue, when I depress the clutch pedal all the way, the PTO continues to turn. I had the owner sit in the seat and depress the clutch and I was unable to stop the PTO using a large rag wrapped around the shaft. Seems like the 2-stage clutch is not releasing on the PTO....maybe just an adjustment? I am concerned that the tractor has not been used and wonder what leaks and other problems might crop up down the road. I just wonder if it is possible to properly troubleshoot the PTO without something like a brush hog attached.

Power steering worked like a charm.

A local tractor dealer has a mobile repair service that I could use to inspect the tractor....might be money well spent.

Would appreciate everyone's thoughts.
 

Sounds like the pto clutch has stuck from sitting, check clutch linkage adjustment first then hook it to a brush hog and with the pedal pushed to the floor rev the engine up and down, if the clutch doesn't break loose the tractor well need to be split.
 
My problem is that I do not have a brush hog available. Wonder if I could put the PTO lever in neutral with tractor not running and then carefully try to use a pipe wrench on the PTO shaft....
 
You are thinking of the 1964 and previous models with the 2 stage clutch and then that was only on certain models with a 5 speed tranny. This tractor if it has a 4 speed tranny will not have the live pto like that, other trannys it would be a total independant with no connection with the foot clutch, should just be a lever on left side to enguage or disenguage the pto no mater if foot clutch is up or down or in gear or not. 65 and up they quit the system you are trying to get working and this tractor is in the range of 1970 as the 3600 followed the 3000 that came out in 65.
 
Please don't use a rag to check the condition of the pto, wedge/pry a 2X4 against it if you have to.
 
Leroy, that begins to make some sense. At idle with clutch out I can move the PTO lever and it starts to turn...no grinding or anything. Is there an internal clutch of some sort to help the gears mesh smoothly, especially under load? Would seem like if I engaged the PTO while hooked to a brush hog, there would be a lot of shock load on the system. thanks for the help
 
(quoted from post at 10:50:42 08/16/16) You are thinking of the 1964 and previous models with the 2 stage clutch and then that was only on certain models with a 5 speed tranny. This tractor if it has a 4 speed tranny will not have the live pto like that, other trannys it would be a total independant with no connection with the foot clutch, should just be a lever on left side to enguage or disenguage the pto no mater if foot clutch is up or down or in gear or not. 65 and up they quit the system you are trying to get working and this tractor is in the range of 1970 as the 3600 followed the 3000 that came out in 65.
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My 3600 (1980, IIRC) has the "live" 2 stage clutch with the 8 spd (4 gears, HI-LO range). Release the clutch a little, PTO engages, continue releasing and the drive wheels engage. I didn't think it was offered with an "independent" PTO back then.
 

2000-3000 models along with later 2600-3600 tractors use a two stage clutch set up like the older 4 cylinder tractors had.
Independent pto wasn't available on those tractors unless it had SOS transmission and SOS was discontinued before 3600 production. 3 cylinder 4000-4600 models were the smallest models with independent pto in that time period with standard transmissions.
 
Doing some further research on other forums, some posters say that an independent PTO was an option for a 3600. When I move the PTO lever to engage, even at full engine rpm, the PTO starts spinning with no grinding of gears. Still think I would get some grinding if it was a live PTO with a stuck disc......
 
Leroy this is incorrect.
Ford continued to use the 2 stage clutch all the way through 1983 which includes the 3cylinder 2/3000s and the 26/3600s like Phil is talking about. If it has single reduction rear end it would have dual clutch to get live power. Only the tractors with double reduction rear end - 4000/4600 (and larger) - had independent pto.
Phil, I had a 3600 with that clutch/pto setup and the pto started to not release. So I adjusted it and the pto started slipping. I had to replace it.
Not a bad job but it does require a split. Cost is around $400 for the kit from this site.
As to the tractor, those are very reliable, totally bullet proof machines. Almost identical to a 3000 but with improvements - better hydraulics, better electrics, etc. Most of the 26/3600s would have come fully optioned with 8 sp tranny, lpto, PS, differential lock and improved draft/position control on the 3 point.
I don't know why the pto clutch would fail at such
low hours but who knows. How does the rest of the tractor look - tin, tires, paint, wear on the clutch pedal, etc. Do those look like a low houred machine?
What is he asking for it?
Knock off $1K for the clutch and labor.
 
(quoted from post at 12:33:44 08/16/16) Leroy this is incorrect.
Ford continued to use the 2 stage clutch all the way through 1983 which includes the 3cylinder 2/3000s and the 26/3600s like Phil is talking about. If it has single reduction rear end it would have dual clutch to get live power. Only the tractors with double reduction rear end - 4000/4600 (and larger) - had independent pto.
Phil, I had a 3600 with that clutch/pto setup and the pto started to not release. So I adjusted it and the pto started slipping. I had to replace it.
Not a bad job but it does require a split. Cost is around $400 for the kit from this site.
As to the tractor, those are very reliable, totally bullet proof machines. Almost identical to a 3000 but with improvements - better hydraulics, better electrics, etc. Most of the 26/3600s would have come fully optioned with 8 sp tranny, lpto, PS, differential lock and improved draft/position control on the 3 point.
I don't know why the pto clutch would fail at such
low hours but who knows. How does the rest of the tractor look - tin, tires, paint, wear on the clutch pedal, etc. Do those look like a low houred machine?
What is he asking for it?
Knock off $1K for the clutch and labor.
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I agree with Ultradog, rock solid machine. Tried to get mine stuck last week (see my earlier post and update with end results), but I love it. Thinking about getting another one with a loader.
 
The owner said he would take $3,500 for the tractor. Will need a new right rear tire and the owner could not verify the 2,028 hours as actual since he bought it at auction. Tractor is clean and engine seems strong....steering works great.
 

Expect that the hours are at least double, but keep in mind that the new pump is close to $1,000. If hydraulics work OK I would say that $3,500 is very reasonable.
 
3600 Fords are a highly sought after tractor and bring big bucks in my area.Especially if those hours are correct. You never said what he wants for the tractor.The PTO Clutch is probably stuck from sitting or a lever link on the PP Is broken. If it is a good deal,buy it and fix it,negotiate the price down if you can.If it isn't a good deal walk away.I could sell 3 right now if I had them.
 
You seem to like to live dangerously. The pipe wrench idea would likely turn into a deadly projectile while the rag idea would probably pull you into the rotating shaft.
Do you still have both arms, both legs, and all of the fingers and toes?? I would suspect that there may be some parts missing.
The order of the day is SAFETY with capital letters. In case you have not noticed, we get occasional posts about farm accidents. Please do not become one of those posts.
 
The pipe wrench idea was with the tractor off, PTO engaged and clutch depressed. Your points are well taken about safety...thanks.
 
He will take $3,500. Just talked to him and he said the hours should be actual at 2,028 according to the farmer he bought it from.
 
(quoted from post at 13:50:46 08/16/16) He will take $3,500. Just talked to him and he said the hours should be actual at 2,028 according to the farmer he bought it from.
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'd jump on it.
 

New Holland parts does not show independent pto on 3600.
To have independent pto it must have the hydraulic pump in the rear end housing which is also not listed for a 3600.
Easiest way to tell is look for the engine mounted hyd pump located on the left side of the tractor near the bottom of the fuel tank with two pipes running down the right side of the tractor back to the rear end housing. If it has the engine mounted pump it will have live pto with a double clutch, not independent pto that can be engaged without using the clutch.

The first model of this size tractor I found with ind pto is the 3910
 
You better buy it,now!!! If the tires are good,decent paint and everything works as it should,except for the clutch, I could get $5500.00 or more out of it today. I have a 4600 that I just repainted,that I have turned down $8000.00 three times in the past week from three different people.
 
Since no one mentioned it, check the simple.
If it has a two stage clutch, there will be two holes where the pedal arm meets the clutch arm.
If the pin is in the wrong (long?) hole, the PTO will not disengage.
 
Ron,
They did away with that two hole clevis fairly early in the Thousand Series production run.
I'm not sure exactly when, would guess by 68 or so.
But long before 76 when the 3600s rolled off tbe line.
 
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