Oh no wrong permatex threadlocker!!

Cariboo4x4 · Aug 11, 2016

I bought a small tube of blue permatex threadlocker a month ago or so. I wondered why it was a really dark blue rather the light sky blue colour when applyong it to threads. Then today I notice the word "green" on the blue coloured tube. I just bolted my backhoe rear wheels on today using it. Now I'm wondering what other bolts I used it on! Website say to use localized heat to remove fasteners. Like does the green really work that well?? I used it on bolt threads for assembly today. Why would they not use a green coloured tube?? So will my impact gun not remove those wheel bolts without a touch of heat?? Anyways no big deal but wondering now what I've used the green stuff on this past couple months...

Russ from MN · Aug 11, 2016

Hopefully you put everything together right, and won't have to worry about taking it apart for a long time! You could put a little green paint on the
bolt heads to identify the ones that you know are locktited, I think that's what JD did with our tractor.

Cariboo4x4 · Aug 11, 2016

I put everything together right. I'll put some green paint on those bolts tomorrow. Thank you for the memory tip!

Bob · Aug 12, 2016

"Website say to use localized heat to remove fasteners."

IMHO, they are a bit optimistic.

I have used all "grades" of Loctite over the years and have NEVER resorted to anything beyond a good stout wrench or an impact wrench to take things apart, NEVER even considered using heat.

You will be FINE!

davpal · Aug 12, 2016

I just noticed the same thing the other day. Dad asked for some blue loctite. I grabbed the blue tube and it said Red loctite on the blue tube. To get the red loctite I had to get the blue colored tube. I commented on who was the tard at the loctite company in charge of marketing the products? Amazing how incompetent these places that sell stuff can be.

JoeM(GA) · Aug 12, 2016

Yes, it's that Good!, heat it with a propane torch before trying to remove, if it were mine I'd handle it now while you have the ability to have it
close to the shop instead of out in a field with a flat.

ASEguy · Aug 12, 2016

Depends on your impact and air supply. A Harbor Freight impact probably wouldn't touch it, but an Ingersol in good shape may just do it. Permatex has a chart that shows break away torque needed and turning torque required to remove the fastener which assumes clean threads and I believe steel on steel. Unless it's a show tractor I'd do what Joe suggested and buzz them off in the shop and I would also use heat. It doesn't take a lot. I usually use propane or Mapp gas.

Donald Lehman · Aug 12, 2016

Not just Locktite brand. When I was in business one of my suppliers sold an off-brand that used the same coloring system. Makes no sense what-so-ever to us. Made sense to somebody somewhere, though.

guido · Aug 12, 2016

Hello bob,

Some of that stuff does need heat! A good impact will take the nut out, but it will also take the nut threads.If you are not lucky, all the threads. BTDT,

GUIDO.

RCP · Aug 12, 2016

The effectiveness of locking compounds is highly dependent on the cleanliness of the male and female threads. If there was any oil or dirt on either of the threads, the compound will be compromised. So if you didn't clean the threads with an oil free solvent and dry them first, they will probably come apart with a big wrench.

Rich

Cariboo4x4 · Aug 12, 2016

Yes the color coding is nuts. I like using blue threadlocker and a good torque wrench. I'm choked that the green is in a blue tube and want to hold someone liable, but I guess I should have paid more attention. I'm pretty sure the cardboard packaging was blue too and not green like on the website. Thanks for all the suggestions and advice!!

Cariboo4x4 · Aug 12, 2016

I may still have pkg tube came in. Have to check lol

Cariboo4x4 · Aug 12, 2016

Yes, I did mot clean the threads of the bolts, they looked clean enough. I really was not depending on the threadlocker. I was more concerned on the torque. My 3/4 ton uses 140 ft/lbs so these bolts were slightly larger so used 150 ft lbs. I read on the permatex website, green threadlocker is good up to 1/2". I can't afford to strip threads out of an axle flange so definetly use some heat as a precaution. I just wish I could remember what else I used the green on??!! When I rebuilt my case-o-matic I definetly cleaned all the bolts and used blue threadlocker.

Cariboo4x4 · Aug 12, 2016

Tomorrow I'll spot at my friendly neighbourhood parts store and check the green packaging and tell them to make their customers aware. They are really good that way at double checking with their customers or they already know I'm a little nuts lol

Ron in NS · Aug 12, 2016

Green means it is electrically conductive.

Don-Wi · Aug 12, 2016

The green that I'm familiar with is for press fit bearings. Helps take up a little slack of the bore is a little oversize.

Donovan from Wisconsin

MarkB_MI · Aug 13, 2016

If you had used red, I'd be worried. Green, not so much.

souNdguy · Aug 13, 2016

You might want to quantify your statement on the hf air guns. I have the more expensive of the 2 1" guns. I have taken it to work when we did track pads on our excavator. It worked as good as our ir. In fact.. It looks the same..

Dr. Walt · Aug 13, 2016

Just be glad it wasn't CATERPILLAR GREEN (Adhesive). The only way to get THAT stuff apart is with a Cutting Torch.

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36Coupe · Aug 13, 2016

I just noticed the same thing the other day. Dad asked for some blue loctite. I grabbed the blue tube and it said Red loctite on the blue tube. To get the red loctite I had to get the blue colored tube. I commented on who was the tard at the loctite company in charge of marketing the products? Amazing how incompetent these places that sell stuff can be.

Before you call someone a tard maybe you should actually know what you're talking about first! "ALL" Loctite brand products come in a red tube, you are mixing up 2 different brands of thread locker and blaming Loctite for it! The blue tubes are made by Permatex, nothing to do with Loctite! Read this, you might learn something:

http://www.goodexperience.com/tib/archives/2003/10/tube_color.html

36Coupe · Aug 13, 2016

Not just Locktite brand. When I was in business one of my suppliers sold an off-brand that used the same coloring system. Makes no sense what-so-ever to us. Made sense to somebody somewhere, though.

"ALL" Loctite brand products come in a red tube, you are mixing up 2 different brands of thread locker and blaming Loctite for it! The blue tubes are made by Permatex, nothing to do with Loctite! Read this, you might learn something:

http://www.goodexperience.com/tib/archives/2003/10/tube_color.html

Cariboo4x4 · Aug 15, 2016

(quoted from post at 17:28:02 08/13/16)

Not just Locktite brand. When I was in business one of my suppliers sold an off-brand that used the same coloring system. Makes no sense what-so-ever to us. Made sense to somebody somewhere, though.

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"ALL" Loctite brand products come in a red tube, you are mixing up 2 different brands of thread locker and blaming Loctite for it! The blue tubes are made by Permatex, nothing to do with Loctite! Read this, you might learn something:

http://www.goodexperience.com/tib/archives/2003/10/tube_color.html

Yes there's been some confusion on here with brands. I have red loctite in a red bottle. Its never ran out cause I use it very seldom. I just reach for the blue in the blue tube or bottle by permatex. I just reach for the same blue in the same spot on the display rack. I'll have to take a good look what my auto parts store has next time in town. Thank you for the tips and calling us on our mix-up of brands.

BarnyardEngineering · Aug 15, 2016

A few years back Dad used red Loctite on a nut in a gearbox as recommended, then discovered he needed to take it back apart. It wouldn't come apart, and he was furious until I told him that red Loctite can be release with heat. Thank you Internet.

All he had to do is wave the oxy-acetylene torch over it for a few seconds and it came apart like it was never Loctited in the first place.

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