i think about all the 460 and 560 ihc

r.w.b. · Jul 13, 2016

tractors built and wonder how many were built during the strike? I know of a 560 lp built during the strike that was a lemon.ihc made it good but how many were built badly that gave them a bad name? I know a few around here that are still working. normal wear n tear is 1 thing but a bad built machine isn't good

KevinBfromIllinois · Jul 13, 2016

Have 1963 560 Gas Farmall pulled 4 16s for years over 15000 hrs on it did a overhaul on it, and never had a lick of problems with it, now all it does a choir work.

Dalex · Jul 13, 2016

Falsetto ? soprano ?

Donald Lehman · Jul 13, 2016

Neighbor had a 560 diesel and seemed to have decent luck with it. My cousin had a 460 gas and didn't seem to have any unusual amount of trouble. However the local IHC dealer salesman told Pop that out west they never bothered putting the hoods back on them because they didn't run long enough to waste the time removing and replacing the hood. Marks Farm had a 560 for a while, but not long. Doc Marks told me they had a lot of trouble with it. They started buying 806's and 1206's as soon as they became available.

Janicholson · Jul 13, 2016

Base only!! Jim

tomstractorsandtoys · Jul 13, 2016

You have one of the latter ones that IH finally found out how to build a rearend. The early ones were M's with six cylinder engines and the rear couldn't handle the power. Lots of farmers bought Deere 4010's because of the 460-560 rearend problem. The first change did not fix them like IH hoped it would and it took one or two more updates. Lots of IH dealers were very happy when the 706-806's came out. Tom

RBoots · Jul 13, 2016

Dad's cousin had a 400 diesel he brought to the local dealer for repair work. Being during spring tillage time, they offered him a new 560 tractor to try out while his 400 was being repaired. He had it only a weekend or so if I recall what dad told me correctly, and had a 4 bottom plow behind it. He was plowing along and it spit all the gears out the rear of the differential housing. Dad said he can remember the brand new gears all laying in the dirt behind the tractor.

gab · Jul 13, 2016

My father in law had a beat to death 560 he bought new, said it was his favorite tractor. he also had a JD 4010, 4240 and 4840 but kept the 560 to the bitter end.

JD Seller · Jul 13, 2016

When I was at the Dealerships we would rarely trade in an IH 560 older than a 1962. If we did we put "M" IH value on it as that is what you could count on getting for resale. Now the collector/parade fellows are buying them so the value has gone up. Around here the bad rear ends ruined IH's reputation and switched many guys over to JD. I always thought the IH 560 was a sharp looking tractor. The 06 series seemed bullet proof and won many IH fans back to IH.

Truthfully I hated to see IH go through the problems it did. It would have been better for most farmers if they had stayed closer in size to JD. It is not good for any one manufacture to get too big of a market share.

NY 986 · Jul 13, 2016

It would have been best if perhaps five separate manufacturers could have survived past the mid 1980's going into the present. IH had the industry in a choke hold going into WWII but just never had the right CEO to make the post war company work. It was also against IH that they were prominent as McCormick during the 19th Century with the labor difficulties. I don't think there was ever a moment of true peace between IH workers and management. As far as the 460 goes the neighbor years ago had one and they and the subsequent owner could never get it right. The original owners often parked it in favor of the H especially when doing loader work which is sad. There was also a 560 in the community owned by a die hard IH man which got traded on a 4010 during the early 1960's. I don't think Deere was the only competition but perhaps was the stiffest. If a guy did not need a row crop and creature comforts during 1958-59 the Case 900 was a impressive tractor for the day.

CenTex Farmall · Jul 13, 2016

We have two 560's in the family. One of those Grandpa bought used in the 90's. I think it's a 59 model. Both have the 282. No major problems with either one just the usual wear and tear things.

Still a lot of the 460/560 in this area.

dhermesc · Jul 13, 2016

For having such a bad reputation there sure a lot of 560s still in the field today. Neighbor has a diesel that was rolled once and has about 9000 hours (that's when the meter quit working) on the original engine and boy is that thing whipped but he still uses it for haying because nothing matches it for fuel economy.

Andy Martin · Jul 13, 2016

(quoted from post at 14:08:16 07/13/16) Base only!! Jim

Tin-ear?

GreenEnvy · Jul 13, 2016

I agree with you on the 900. I like my 2 cylinder diesels but the Case 500 through 930 Western Specials are another one of my favorites. Compared to the IH 660 do you want a slow turning big cubed diesel engine in front of an unbreakable drivetrain or a small engine wrapped to the nuts in front of a somewhat suspect drivetrain.

GreenEnvy · Jul 13, 2016

Much of this is documented in the book "International Harvester Tractors 1955-1985". Sad part is IH knew before hand the rear ends would not hold up but they put them out there anyway because they were falling behind in the hp race. Bad as the timing was for IH it could have been worse because the 4010 was suppose to come out in 1958. Imagine those hitting the show room floor as the 560s started dropping. At least IH had the problems fixed by the time the 4010 came out.

Donald in MN · Jul 13, 2016

my grandpa bought a 560 and 460 both diesels in the same year. i dont know which one he got first he liked it so well he bought the other in the fall .i know they were both the early models i ran the 560 quite a bit unfortunately the 460 died in a picker fire in 69 i know grandpa and dads youngest brother were very saddened when this happened they both really liked that tractor. i dont recall any major problems with either one . they did start hard in the winters we had up here . the 560 was used a lot on a number 80 combine it always ran hot then we discovered that dads 706 had a 6 blade fan and had the same engine as the 560 which had a 5 blade fan after the fan was changed it ran cooler . the 560 was traded after the crankshaft broke it was 30 years old at the time and grandpa had passed away by then i dont think he would approve of losing one of his favorite tracxtors

fixerupper · Jul 13, 2016

Thise six cylinders sing a nice tune.

brutus49DC · Jul 13, 2016

They must have all been built during a strike because none of them were much to brag about. The 460 we owned was the biggest pos tractor we ever owned of any brand.What a gutless dog. Torque, bearing, head gasket and sleeve problems were some of the common ailments. They could melt them all down and I wouldn't miss them. An 830 Case was twice the tractor a 560 ever hoped to be.

pete 23 · Jul 13, 2016

The 560 story sounds like the present occupier of the highest office in the land, blaming everything on the former highest officer. Would you believe the first 4010 diesel the local dealer got in, the head gasket leaked. Deere was a little bashful about admitting it though and the dealer took it apart on the other side of town from dealership, in the storage building. I worked at both dealers and lord knows most of the 4020' diesels had new sleeves and pistons before the paint even burned off the manifolds. Had a red guy running around counting them just to rub the green guys a little. I did ten of the change over packages on the 4 & 560's so got to know them pretty well right off the bat. We still sold them and even traded in a few green tractors.

1206SWMO · Jul 14, 2016

Back in the early 1960's almost every large farm in my county had a 560 on it...I and my brother figured there were at least 20-25 of them...Maybe they weren't the best but they made everyone a living..One large dairy farm had (2) 560's and a 460 that were used almost every day of the year..

Married2Allis · Jul 14, 2016

My uncle was a penny-pincher and would mostly buy used IH's for our dairy farm. We had two well worn '62 460 gassers that were used daily. Never had any trouble.

BarnyardEngineering · Jul 14, 2016

Funny how a simple question of "how many?" turned into the typical love/hate discussion about the 460 and 560 tractors, how Deere kicked IH's arse during that period, and it's all external_link's fault.

A number has yet to be put up.

Tx Jim · Jul 14, 2016

(quoted from post at 23:17:01 07/13/16) Deere was a little bashful about admitting it though and the dealer took it apart on the other side of town from dealership, in the storage building. I worked at both dealers and lord knows most of the 4020' diesels had new sleeves and pistons before the paint even burned off the manifolds.

I guess Tx farmers must baby their tractors more than other locations of the USA.

I don't remember the head gasket, piston & sleeve failures of 4010/4020's at JD dealership where I was employed from '66-'87. Last 13 yrs of that time I was the service manager.

sammydwm · Jul 14, 2016

Dad bought a used 460 back in 70 or 71. It was a beast. Would pull 4x14s around in 4th with no problems. 24' springtooth...
Power all day but it was a gasser and very thirsty.

pete 23 · Jul 14, 2016

The sleeve and piston replacement was for excessive oil consumption. One of my good friends and customers who had red mostly, bought a used 4020 that looked like new. It used way too much oil for his comfort so replaced the sleeves and pistons himself. Told me, he never saw such good looking parts but use so much oil. When I went to a service training session on IH tractors, we were discussing final drive problems with 460's in particular. Guy from Wisconsin says, can't understand that. We haven't had a failure yet. And so it goes.

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