Camery update

Geo-TH,In · Jun 2, 2016

Son called me last night. Said his Camery failed the second oil test. Toyota is going to replace pistons, hone out cylinders. There idea of fixing the oil consumption problem. Boy's car was using 1 qt in 1200 miles. Car has 119K.

This sounds crazy to me. Son says Toyota recommends using 0w20. Boy uses full synthetic and changes it every 5k. He thinks his car used more oil when he switched to full synthetic. Toyota uses regular oil. So is synthetic all that it cracked up to be?

Boy thinks there is carbon build up on his pistons too, engine pings. I thought ultra sonic sensors would have taken care of engine pinging.

He says Toyota will take 3 days to replace pistons, call him when they get parts.

Another note, new cars are using the defective airbags. Who would want to buy a new car knowing the air bags are defective and it will be recalled.? There are many companies using the same defective air bag too. Crazy.
geo

Mike M · Jun 2, 2016

I missed the first part of this ? Is Toyota actually paying for the repairs ? I'm amazed they would cover anything over 100,000 miles.
Several makers have had oil burning issues off and on. My sister has a 2013 Subaru Forester. Maybe 44,000 miles so far ? It has been an oil burner for most of it's life too ! They have a class action lawsuit on these. She got a letter from Subaru that they are extending the warranty out to 100,000 miles I forget the years ? Awhile back I told her to trade it off ! Then I have been on her to get it in and get the engine replaced. Right now she is waiting to hear back from the dealer on trading it in ? Her dealer service dept. on the phone seemed very willing to do the engine change as long as it met the oil consumption rates. Subaru is changing the engines. They are not re-ringing them which I thought was sort of odd ? because they say it is just a ring problem.
So far on the 4 Hondas the family have that use the 0-20w oil they have not been using any. Cross our fingers and knock on wood ! They range from only 8k to 40K miles ? Honda had a batch of Accords with an oil burning problem a few years back.

GVSII · Jun 2, 2016

(quoted from post at 04:18:36 06/02/16) Son called me last night. Said his Camery failed the second oil test. Toyota is going to replace pistons, hone out cylinders. There idea of fixing the oil consumption problem. Boy's car was using 1 qt in 1200 miles. Car has 119K.

This sounds crazy to me. Son says Toyota recommends using 0w20. Boy uses full synthetic and changes it every 5k. He thinks his car used more oil when he switched to full synthetic. Toyota uses regular oil. So is synthetic all that it cracked up to be?

Boy thinks there is carbon build up on his pistons too, engine pings. I thought ultra sonic sensors would have taken care of engine pinging.

He says Toyota will take 3 days to replace pistons, call him when they get parts.

Another note, new cars are using the defective airbags. Who would want to buy a new car knowing the air bags are defective and it will be recalled.? There are many companies using the same defective air bag too. Crazy.
geo

I have many friends who own Toyotas.This is the first case of excessive oil consumption I've heard of.Even the trucks that the frames broke on didn't use oil!

MarkB_MI · Jun 2, 2016

> new cars are using the defective airbags. Who would want to buy a new car knowing the air bags are defective and it will be recalled.?

The problem with the Takata airbags only appears after several years. So a new car with Takata airbags is safe, but will have to be recalled in a couple of years.

Dblair · Jun 2, 2016

my niece has a Prius that uses 1qt in 900 miles and they say it is normal usage, they won't do a thing . I'm surprised that they are overhauling your son's engine .

Mike M · Jun 2, 2016

Google RAV 4 oil burning. Lots of problems with them. Neighbor was about to buy one when luckily she heard about this and then opted to go with a Honda CRV instead. That's when I googled it. Certain years of Honda Accords v6 and some Rav 4 and then the Subaru !

Geo-TH,In · Jun 2, 2016

NO recalls, class action forces Toyota to fix problems on certain years.

I think Toyota is number 2. NO longer number one.

Russ from MN · Jun 2, 2016

You kind of have your own way of spelling Camry don't you!

T in NE · Jun 2, 2016

Could be there aren't enough oil drain holes under the oil ring. Some Isuzu v6 are known for that. Oil ring loads up and sticks and carbons up the chamber.
Cheap fix on the Isuzu is pull the pistons and drill the holes bigger, reinstall with new rings.

RLA · Jun 2, 2016

Granted I work at a Ford store & only see the bad ones.
Oil consumption is Normal in all the ones I see. I will
say short drives hot & cool down often , 5000 miles it too
long for a oil change. Longer drives would be OK.

Steve@Advance · Jun 2, 2016

Mike, I suspect the reason they are extending thew warranty out that far is for emissions reasons, oil fouled converters!

I can't see how any of them can deny repairs on that issue. Even oil leaks are considered emissions.

What I don't understand, why would they spend the time replacing pistons and rings? Probably an underlying reason for the failure, like an out of tolerance bore. Why not just replace the engine?

Wheres Waldo · Jun 2, 2016

I was sure hoping they weren't trying to spell Camaro! Then I saw the mention of Toyota, from the Country (Island) that brought us Pearl Harbor. Lest anyone think I'm prejudiced against Asia, KIA make some fine automobiles as does Hyundai. I don't believe any self respecting Farmer would buy from a Country that caused so much misery in the World.

Ron-MO · Jun 2, 2016

Does not surprise me at all after seeing a Tundra frame replaced at well over 200,000 miles. It belonged to a guy I worked with, and there was a huge issue with those older Tundra frames rusting and breaking. He got a recall notice, took it in, and the handed him keys to a rental, and he never saw the truck for 2-3 months, and Toyota footed the rental while it sat in line waiting for a frame. I guess that dealership alone replaced a lot of Tundra frames. I have a 1998 Camry, and have nearly 300,000 on it. 4 cyl engine never been apart, and I change oil around 4K, and never add a drop. I used to be a diehard Chevrolet guy, and have never been without a Chevy pickup since I could drive, but I will have to say this old Camry has been the most troublefree and reliable vehicle I have ever owned, especially considering I paid only 2,000 for it (was a one owner used car with 170,000). I have driven it over 100,000 miles, and only replace timing belt, water pump, and tires which are normal maintenance items for it. At this point, it runs/drives like a new vehicle so I see no need to replace any time soon, so I plan on heading it toward 400,000 if no major issues crop up. A few years ago you could not give me a rice burner. I will say that I do not believe the newer Camry's are as well built as the older ones, and I have no desire for one of the V6 cars.

Dick2 · Jun 2, 2016

I've driven Toyota's since 1990 and never experienced any major problems with them. They have all been much more reliable than any so-called U.S. made vehicle. Right now Camry has more American-made content than any of the Big 3 auto makers. That's funny in itself.

Toyota has replaced a lot of V6 engines beyond any reasonable warranty. The Toyota 4-cylinders are almost bullet proof, but their V6 engines have not been able to achieve that reliability. The recommended oil for Toyota vehicles is 5W-20 oil. I use Shell oil in the Tundra V8 and change at 5,000 miles. I use synthetic in the Camry and change at 10,000 miles. We don't have to consider condensation here in the dry climate of the desert, so that is not a factor.

Ron-MO · Jun 2, 2016

Not sure how many of their vehicles have this, but my wife has a 2016 Tacoma, and it came with a lifetime powertrain warranty. $100 deductible after the initial no deductible warranty. I questioned this and asked if we drove to say 500,000 and engine failed, and response was "pay $100 and they would replace engine as long as we own". With this said, not many drive them anywhere near that long, and I seriously doubt she will either, but I am betting some will drive them until they fall apart (in MO MODOT will see to it they kill them with salt and road treatments). My old Camry has no real rust yet, but it spent over half it's life in California too.

Mike M · Jun 2, 2016

Farmers have NO problem what so ever selling them grain.

Ken Combs · Jun 2, 2016

My '13 Tundra 5.7 specs 0w20 full synthetic only. I think that is to protect the variable valve timing parts. lots of close fitting pieces that are critical to the engine's health! Burns a qt between recommended 5000 mile changes.

Interesting side comment: This is a flex-fuel truck, but if using E85, the oil change interval is halved! 8 qt oil change. Makes E85 really expensive!
Excellent truck!

Made in San Antonio. Highest North American content of any Pickup sold in the US>

dhermesc · Jun 2, 2016

one quart in 1200 miles on a car with over 100K miles? Surprised they even considered it - let alone actually did it.

Dean · Jun 2, 2016

Bingo, DH.

I'm astonished, and would jump at any such offer.

What has the world come to?

Dean

dhermesc · Jun 2, 2016

FACTORY powertrain warranty on a 2016 Toyota Tacoma is 5 years 60K miles. Your "lifetime" warranty is from a 3rd party vender that may or may not be in business next year before the factory warranty is even up - let alone after you have driven 500,000 miles.

http://www.lifetimewarrantymyths.com/

Ron-MO · Jun 2, 2016

Well, not sure if it changed in 2016, but the truck is a 2015 (purchased in late 2014), and this was from Toyota, not a 3rd party, but you have me second guessing now so I need to verify. But I specifically asked about the lifetime powertrain warranty as they were trying to sell me an extended 3rd party warranty, and I would never purchase one of those at any cost.

Ron-MO · Jun 2, 2016

With that said, I figure I will be questioned on every detail on maintenance records if I ever have to make a claim, and I normally change my own oils and keep no records at all. Wife has been having the dealer change the oils since they gave her free oil changes and maintenance for first 25K though, but that is gone now.

Ron-MO · Jun 2, 2016

I actually found some info on the dealership web site, and it does seem to be a 3rd party vs. the factory backing. Time will tell, but unless I keep the truck, my wife does not have a long history of driving them much beyond 100K, and the previous Tacoma she owned we sold at about 80K miles, but she regretted selling that one, thus the 2015 which is almost an identical truck aside from color and it would have been the same color had they not discontinued the red she wanted.
Lifetime Warranty from dealer truck was purchased

hd6gtom · Jun 2, 2016

When we take a toy in trade they are more liable to sit on the lot until we send them to an auction. This very reason. There is a red one on the lot now been here almost 2 years. Very suprised it hasn't gone to the auction.

dhermesc · Jun 2, 2016

You will want to keep receipts and document those oil changes - manufacturers have a habit of trying to dodge the bullet during a normal warranty period - these guys will be even worse. The other thing you want to check is the oil change recommendations on the Tacoma. Most will list two intervals - one for "normal duty" and one for "extreme duty". If you read the details most of the time simply driving on the North American continent qualifies as extreme duty.

Mike M · Jun 2, 2016

Well I suspect they have a known problem with that engine in his year of car and are either good enough to take care of it (unlikely) or the government or courts are making them (more likely)

Ron-MO · Jun 2, 2016

Yeah..... " You can service and repair your vehicle at any licensed repair shop in the U.S.A and Canada." is the catch I have. I normally do my own which would void this the first time I changed the oil in it. I will have to give this some thought as to whether or not I want to jump the hoops as the dealer is an hour away, and I normally do not pay much attention to the normal maintenance schedule aside from oil changes. Don't get me wrong, I do not necessarily neglect them, but I do not watch every air filter, or worry about changing the rear axle oil either which might cause enough of an issue to void their warranty, especially if they were staring at a failed transmission at 250k on it. But, this is the same dealership that I witnessed replacing a frame on a Tundra with over 250K on it, but that was a recall from Toyota too. I would have never believed it - had I not seen it. No doubt the main intent is to get service work on the vehicles they sell, and they will most likely throw the warranty in your face if ou decline any recommended service work.

RMinVa · Jun 2, 2016

you wrote: "So is synthetic all that it cracked up to be?" I'd like you to answer your own question, please.

I'm a Amsoil dealer since 1989. When Toyota started making engines that needed 0w20 it wasn't long after us dealers got a bulletin for long drain usage on Amsoil filters. From the time I became a dealer till then I'd never heard of a problem. Still don't know what this problem is. But on long drain consists of 100% synthetic signature series oil (not full synthetic/ I have no idea what full synthetic oil is but hear the term) and Amsoil synthetic fiber filters/ea and eao. The bulletin said to change those filters only on Toyota at mfg. suggested intervals. Long drain you run filter 6 months or 12,000 put on new filter and top off with oil and finish the 12,000 miles or 6 more months. That's annual oil changes. I have 3 customers and myself that do this and been doing this since 1996. None of us have had any problems.

So it may be a problem with oil flow in their engines and Amsoil may have been called in on a claim.

The guy I sell to that does long drain, he and his wife ea. have a Toyota car that uses 0w20. I passed the bulletin along to him and he just changes more filters but still runs the oil for 12 months. I have a Honda Fit that uses 0W20 also. Got about 30,000 on it now and never added oil. Just replaced what's needed for filter change.

Most oil related problems now days comes from lack of oil. Whether it's flow or to low on the stick. Lots of good oils out there today and some are better than others that make them exceptional.

Geo-TH,In · Jun 2, 2016

Again, Toyota didn't make the decision, lawyers did for them. This is a part of a class action settlement .

Geo-TH,In · Jun 2, 2016

RMinVa,
I put some 10w30 full synthetic in some of my air cooled engines, thinking it could hold up longer under the heat. I too thought synthetic wasn't what it's cracked up to be. I'll never buy it again. Engines seemed to use it a little. geo

Old weldor · Jun 2, 2016

My 03 f-150 with a 5.4 engine uses a half quart between 3000 mile oil changes. That is 5w20 motor raft oil. Truck has 160000 miles. So yes I would call a quart in 1200 miles excessive. As far as amsoil is concerned a friend of mine used it in a new Harley motorcycle. It developed a knock and Harley wouldn't warranty it because he used Amsoil in it. Another friend ruined the engine in a new Pontiac with Amsoil back in the 70s. I wouldn't oil my bicycle chain with it!

RMinVa · Jun 2, 2016

Thanks.

W_B · Jun 3, 2016

(quoted from post at 14:26:57 06/02/16) I was sure hoping they weren't trying to spell Camaro! Then I saw the mention of Toyota, from the Country (Island) that brought us Pearl Harbor. Lest anyone think I'm prejudiced against Asia, KIA make some fine automobiles as does Hyundai. I don't believe any self respecting Farmer would buy from a Country that caused so much misery in the World.

We won that war... get over it. Japan is one of our best friends in a hostile world. I too like the Korean stuff, my Mahindra, frame and engine, is made there. If American mfgs. had kept up with quality standards we wouldn't be having this conversation, they let it get away.

David G · Jun 3, 2016

You have to put a lot more carbon atoms through the engine to produce same amount of work when using Ethanol, a percentage will end up in the oil.

oldtanker · Jun 3, 2016

(quoted from post at 06:26:57 06/02/16) I was sure hoping they weren't trying to spell Camaro! Then I saw the mention of Toyota, from the Country (Island) that brought us Pearl Harbor. Lest anyone think I'm prejudiced against Asia, KIA make some fine automobiles as does Hyundai. I don't believe any self respecting Farmer would buy from a Country that caused so much misery in the World.

Sorry but the Japanese destroyed some equipment and killed 2403 Americans. We destroyed both their naval and merchant fleets and most of their cities killing somewhere between 240,000 and 900,000 Japanese citizens. Considering that most of the young men were fighting in China and on the Pacific islands that means between 240,000 and 900,000 mostly old men, women and children. I think they paid for Pearl Harbor, the hard way. Most of the people responsible for the atrocities commit by the Japanese who survived the war died at the end of a rope as did most of those responsible for the war in the first place. Like with us, there are very few Japanese WWII vets still alive. Most of those were guys, who because of the way they were brought up were merely serving as common service members doing their duty to their country.

Bet you have stuff made in China? Parts? Tools? Electronic stuff? Look at the suffering the Chinese inflicted on their own people not to mention backing North Korea against us? Look at the Russians? Same thing. They figure that Stalin killed about 20 million folks in his purges. Plus the cost to the US taxpayer because of the cold war? But the "farmer" that you mentioned had no problem selling grain to either country! Nor did they have problems buying stuff from them either.

Didn't mean to give a history lesson. Rant over.

Rick

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