Equipment/Tractor you bought you wish you had NOT!!!

George has a post over on the Tool forum about tools you bought and wish you hadn't. Well lets list the tractors/equipment we have bought we wish we hadn't.

I will start out with a tractor. In 1985 I was at a sale. The equipment and tractors were selling CHEAP. I had went to look at a planter but it was worn out. I stayed until the tractors were selling. They were a mixed bag. They were pretty good tractors but things were tight for everyone then. Plus this sale was in early April. The fellow had gotten shut off by his bank.

They got to a AC 185 diesel. The tractor had great tires and paint. Only showed 3800 hours and was a 1978 model. The auctioneer struggled to get a starting bid of $2500. I ended up buy the tractor for $4000. I was making a lot of hay at the time and could use another tractor to mow and bale hay with.

Well I had not been around many AC tractors. A neighbor had a couple of 190s and there where a fair number of D-17s around. So I was not fully aware of how the PTO worked on this tractor. So imagine my surprise in learning a 1978 model tractor still had a hand control keep the PTO working. I hated that tractor for PTO work the POWER director lever was on the dahs and had real strong detents with a short handle. The D-17s and the 190s at least had a longer handle and you could ease them in and out of gear. This tractor was basically either stop or go, not much in between.

I could have learned to live with the controls but the rest of the tractor turned into a nightmare. I mowed the first field of hay with a NH 488 haybine. Came out the next morning and the oil pan was full of antifreeze. Cavitation on two of the sleeves with only 3800 hours. So I got to overhaul the motor. Got that back and used it 30 hours more and fourth gear went out in the transmission. The prior owner had speed shifted it so much that the corners of the shift collar was shot. It would not stay in fourth gear any longer. So I got to split the tractor and repair the transmission. By this time no one in the family LIKED running this tractor. So it was limited in what we did with it. So the wife was raking hay in Sept. fourth crop alfalfa. She came walking back to the house. The rear pivot pin/bolt ( don't remember which it was anymore) on the wide front end had broken. The axle frame had crushed the oil pan and broke the oil pump off inside the oil pan. So I got to do some more repairs on it.

Oct. of that same year the local AC dealer got in a real nice White 2-70 open station. I traded even up for the AC 185. That was the best trade I have ever done. My brother still has that White 2-70 and we have never done anything other than new tires and change the oil.

So I owned that tractor from April to October. I gave $4000 for it and had $3000 in repair costs added on. So I had $7000 in a tractor that was worth around 4500-5000 at that time. Remember this was in 1985 when $2000 was a lot more money than it is today. That AC 185 in the biggest LEMON I have ever bought, so far. LOL The thing that is funny is I know the fellow that bought that AC 185. He still owns it today. He has never done anything major to that tractor. He comments every time I see him about how good that tractor has been. So maybe I got all the bugs out for him. LOL I hated that Power Director shift lever on that tractor. So I am glad some one else owns that AC tractor.

So what have you bought you wish you had never seen????

Myself it was a Chevrolet K2500 4 speed auto, 1994 model. It had experimental components for the 95 models which had several changes. The transmission began slipping in the 225,000 mile range. That's probably normal; but what wasn't was the transmission itself. Went to an auto shop, owner I knew for years. He went to replace it; but called me up & said I don't know what we have here. Never seen the transmission before. It had many more wires, & plugs over the normal transmissions (17 in all!) He called several places, & nobody knew what was in it. He told me go to Chevrolet. Did so, & as soon as I picked the vehicle up to leave with the new one... It hesitated to move out of the parking space. Brought the technician out, & he said the new transmission must be bad; so He put in another one. Within a few days it acted up. I wont go into the whole story but it went on for a year, & I had enough, & sold it at auction with a full explanation taped to the window. Got $4500 out of it, the new owner ended up taking to the junk yard as he was a mechanic, & unable to get it working correctly.

Chevrolet told me that the Transmission was experimental on several hundred 94 models. After 100, or so 1000 miles they then sold them at auction. I bought it from a dealer; but never would have if I knew the history of it!!! I bought it with 180,000 on it as a spare farm vehicle.

As I've stated before, it was the 1948 JD G that we bought new. We spent way more on repairing that lemon than the original cost of the tractor - and we did most of the work ourselves.

Then there was the 1955 Ford car and the 1983 Ford car.

If my dad were alive he would say the first Ford 6000. It was so bad, Ford recalled it, gave him another 6000. To this day I here my dad saying how much he hated the SOS.

John deere 550 S4 gator. Bought it new in 2013 and the engine blew up with less than 100 hrs and left my 10 year old daughter stranded. Deere said well they have bad head gaskets so probably sucked all of oil out of motor and locked it up.No warranty because it ran out of oil. Oil was checked a few days before it happened. I bought a replacement thru deere because no one else can get that motor do to some special way something mounts. New motor ran fine for a month then would barley run. Took it to dealer and they had it a month and said they did not know why it would not run right .They ended up rejetting the carb with a high altitude jet. Still not running right and plan on taking it back now that I am done planting.

Who makes the motor, kawasaki? Air cooled?

I would have put my 2012 kaw 4010 mule on this list when it had 200 hrs on it. Wouldn't idle worth a darn. I finally fixed it by tricking the computer into thinking the air temp was about 20-30 degrees warmer.
geo.

Its an air cooled Briggs. I have several Kawasaki motors in deere mowers and love them but this briggs is a POS for sure.

My name is K and I'm a farmer.

Growing up, the convention in grape vineyards was a grape hoe- a grader blade like device that you maneuvered in and out under the trellis around each plant and post. Hoe the dirt and weeds away in spring/summer, then hoe to the plants in fall to protect the rootstock. The horse-drawn unit was long gone by the time I came around, we had a hydraulic unit mounted on our JD 1010, with a small lift disc behind to chop up the weeds. Very slow moving, so as to not damage plants or posts.

The use of herbicides began to replace the mechanical tillage, but not so much at our place. My Dad, a veteran of many hours of this half-row-per-pass cultivating, was always dreaming of a grape hoe with some kind of mechanical tiller on the end, rather than a blade. Imagine our excitement when I found out about the Weed Badger! A production model similar to a grape hoe with a hydraulic rotating head and sensors that moved it in and out automatically!. And there was a used one for sale nearby!

I bought it, and we spent good money having a mount made for our 2355N. Never imagined we did not have enough hydraulic flow to make this thing work- you could make it go in and out okay, OR make it rotate great, but not both at the same time. It would be fine for a little bit, then heat up and stop one of the motions, usually just in time to tear a plant out by the roots, or bend over a post. I'm pretty sure the last trial ended up damaging the hydraulic pump in the tractor, it has never quite been right ever since. The solution is a different tractor with more flow, or the PTO driven hydraulic pump setup from the manufacturer for a couple more grand. Our solution has been to shove it in the corner of the barn and stack other crap on top of it in shame.

Thanks for the opportunity to share my shame, hopefully my experiences will help you all avoid similar pain in the future. Step six of 144 step farm-fever healing process complete.

1996 Ford 8240. I was haying around 90 acres, and my 1490 Case was getting a little old, and my NH 411 mower was a lot for it, especially on hills. I found this ten year old Ford at a JD dealer that I had done some business with, and it seemed to be in good shape, so I bought it in Jan for a little less than the asking price. Well it was pretty good to me for the next ten or so years, then the hydraulic pump went out. This tractor is all electronics so it had to go to a dealer with the diagnostic computer, in order to figure it out. The hydraulics were SLE so the replacement pump alone was $5,300.00. I got it back, and this was in the middle of hay season, and after a couple hours the PTO would not engage, back it went, an hour and a half each way. This turned out to be mechanic error, a tube improperly installed. When I got it back it was good the rest of the season. Next year, it suddenly stopped and would not move. I went through the on-board diagnostics and it told me that one of the clutch packs in the transmission was bad. So I got it loaded up again, back to the dealer for a transmission overhaul. I sold it the next year, for about $5,000 more than what I had in repairs in the two years. I wished at that point that I had stayed with the old 1490 Case.

A John Deere 3020 with the power shift, needed a tractor to pull a 4 row planter back in the day. That thing was nothing but a pain in the a$$ from day one. Plus that is the worse tranny anyone ever built. Finally traded it off for a 175 AC, still have it.

When I started farming I bought a 3010 diesel for $3200. I knew it needed gone over but that was cheap in 1990. The whole time I owned it something was always wrong with it.It was a total money pit and I spent more than I paid for it fixing it.Years latter I bought a good low hour 3020 gas and put the 3010 engine in it. I wonder where that tractor is today? More than likely the new owner got a great tractor as I fixed about everything on it. Tom

A White 271 disk. Always had problems keeping bearings in it. We still have it but it has been parked the past few years. If we were working more ground I could think about upgrading but the local rental market is just plain crazy. The past few springs it has been just as well that we have run the field cultivator. The guy renting the neighbor's ground disked the fields while really wet this spring. I walked over a few feet onto his field to see how he had gotten the ground so smooth and it was like road pavement in terms of hardness. Back to a disk maybe I will find an IH 496 rock flex disk at some point to replace the White.

Case 400 diesel tractor. I bought the tractor with a head gasket out thinking I could just put a gasket in and use it to mount my mounted picker on for shows. Ended up needing a complete engine overhaul, then hyd pump, then mew tires, then pto clutch. When I did the engine I put in a new clutch and throwout bearing, but after less than 100 hours run time the bearing is out again. But the most agrivating thing is the engine still don't run. Got several times what the tractor is worth into it with more to go. And it's a tractor I don't even like, I just wanted something to put that picker on.

we had a 271 for a lot of years and never had any trouble with it. Now the 496 we have is a good disc but it is not made very heavy. The hitch has been welded several times and the wing fold arms catch sometimes when it folds. The 490 is a better disc imho.

I'd tell ya but then some person who has no idea what they are talking about would A: accuse me on being extremely negative and B: unable to learn how to operate a tractor that was 10-15 years behind it's time when new and designed for the farmer that wanted a new tractor but couldn't afford a decent new tractor. C: likes to lurk behind a computer screen saying things he wouldn't say to your face because someone dares to disagree with him.

Note: I did not mention anyone by name!

Rick

sounds like my 4020,, THEY ARE good Tractors ,, And this one gave a local Farmer GREAT work for some 7000 hours befor he traded it in ,it was sold on credit before I could get the money together ,, about mid summer the dealer repossessed it , and then I bought the 4020,. I remarked to the dealer ,if you would a give me the same benefit of credit we wouldn't had this problem .he said "You Did not Ask "I said "You did not offer credit since I was a CASE Man ." ,,I did get the 4020 for 1000 when 1st priced ,,. doggone the things that have gone wrong makes me only use it for round baling ,, I Love the P -shift,, But THis Poor 4020 is possessed or Jinxed and Seems to know when I have a thousand I can spend for repairs, . I had new rear tires installed , 2 weeks later my son was putting round bales along the woods and backed over the rotary hoe in the weeds, ONE MORE NEW TIRE .. here is just some of my litany. the 1st year the motor seized from a bad injector , new injectors and a sleeve and piston , fought water getting in tranny somehow for some 10 yrs, always changed out to new 303 when pressure went poor .. new steering motor , NEW Front hydro pump and rebuilt 5 times under warranty, in one summer by Easterday in Orleans ind ,. I did not have the heart to tell them the brakes come apart in 1990 and polluted the tranny , same dealer installed new brakes again and a magnet in tranny . consequently new oil and filters in tranny at least once a yr every yr for last 30 yrs ,new injector pump twice, and the worst of all headaches is the electrical system ,. the problematic 24 volt system was swapped out for the 12 volt jdeer kit about 15 yrs ago ,. my neighbor installed it for me , and the starter would start the tractor a 3 am in the morning on a damp nite , happened 5times ,. this went on all summer long ,. my neighbor is a good mechanic ,.and deer sent out someone, to chek installation ,, all was good ,. but they told me not to park around flammables until i put on a new wiring harnes ,. WELL GREAT, we will do that when haying is done . one evening after baling , the deer started a fire under the dash,. luky I was rite there to disconnect batteries, and put it out .. the jd kit 12 volt starter proved to be borderline rebuild from one end to the other , R and R in palmyra ind , told me this is what was trikling the battryis down,, the only thing that was good was the starter drive . .I fought dead batteries and poor starting for 10 yrs , to where I would start the 4020 and never shut it off all day.. the original owner of the 4020 is a family friend since hi school days is perplexed about all the problems I have had,. He told me they had a loader on the tractor and it was trouble free ,,. well that explains the crakt frame rail that I welded shortly after I bought the 4020 . I mentioned Case. I will not turn no one loose with the 1070 til I have fully exposed them to all the quirks of the "NOW ALSO after numerous repairs DEPENDABLE 1070, . The 4020 is the most nimble friendly and idiot proof of all the tractors I have. This is not meant to be ugly toward Jdeer or to Mr SELLEr , whom I respect greatly both,.. but geewhiz this pretty 4020 lady has put me thru the paces ,,. I think I have at least 18 k in it ,.at least its resale value is good as compared to the Case,i have to work the repair money out of them . trouble is each one especially the old Case letter series gassers have a horrible attitude if I let them sleep over 2 monthes ..

shoulda proof read better ,, "I got the 4020 for 1000 LESS than original 8500 asking price.. wow to get a 4020 in 1987 for a 1000bux would be heck of a deal , troubles included ,..

Well, about every piece of farm machinery I or my father ever owned ended up getting modified or reinforced by one or the other of us to correct some design flaw that the engineers should have known better. We are talking late 1950's, the 60's, and 70's here folks, and farm machinery builders had a lot to learn yet.


But the worst piece of junk I ever owned was a 1984 Datsun/Nissan pickup with that stupid 8 spark plug 4 cylinder engine. Didn't have power enough to pull a setting hen off a nest, anytime you got stuck and tried to rock it back and forth it took movement to lock the front drive in so by the time the front wheels kicked in in either direction your movement had already stopped and you were stuck again. Hated that thing with a purple passion.

I bought a used '98 Buick Park Avenue with about 128,000 miles on it. After a year or so, transmission went out. Transmission shop replaced it with a rebuilt, when it came back to my mechanic, he drove it and it didn't seem quite right, so back to the transmission shop. They fixed it, took it for a test drive, and the engine spun a bearing. So now my guy found a used engine and installed it (he didn't charge much for the install, I think he felt sorry for me). Its been perfect ever since (198,000 now), so I guess I'm not sorry I bought it, but sure cost me some bucks.

I've been buying luxury cars with about 100K on them for years, driving them to 225 or so, then on to the next. Guess I was due for a money pit, as the others have all been pretty trouble free.

Cat D6 9u. Group purchase..brother, BIL, "good" friend and me. (First mistake right there) Needed a few things but we knew it. Fixed the few things. Used it a little. Strong old tractor. "Good" friend took it to do some work. Came back with broken pony starter pinion, NO oil in the steering clutch assist, three shot rollers in the undercarriage. Says "I got my work done. Can I have my money back out of the purchase?"

So the regret is not necessarily about the tractor....except for repair part prices.

Do you grease the bearings?

98 Dodge one ton dually long frame. I have good reason for calling it 'money pit'!

A 1964 Massey Ferguson 65. Worst tractor I have ever done anything with!

What kind of question is that? If it has a grease zerk or grease cup it gets grease on this farm. The problem is that even though we do not have a lot of rocks and those are not large in size the bearings are not heavy enough for the conditions. Our IH 37 disk which has rigid standards and pretty much the same 1 1/8 square shaft bearing has less bearing issues than the White. We have for quite a long time had both a field cultivator and a disk so when the White needed work we could park it and finish with the field cultivator. I understand that there are better disks than an IH 496 but I don't want to budget big money for a tool that would see a diminishing role even if it was flawless from a maintenance standpoint. An upgraded mulch tiller/ soil saver and splitter planter are bigger needs and the grain handling end could really use an upgrade.

Anything that ever said Massey on the side and anything that had a Kawasaki engine in it.

My Daughters '92 Hyundai Elantra with that self destructing four cylinder dual overhead cam interferance engine (valves hit pistons when the belt jumps time) and yes the belt was replaced at the recommended milage.Three salary checks wasn't enough money to keep it on the road. There's not enough space or time to list all the work done to that vehicle. A "money pit" is a understatement. The other was a NH 269 baler that I "Bought Cheap" that had been a "Parts Machine". Dropped $2000 into it replacing worn parts and about two years of frustration of working on it to make a couple hundred bales of hay. I got a thorough education on knotters though, for whatever that's worth. "Regrets, yeah, I have a few". That's from a very old song. bjr

Briggs and Scrapiron

I forgot to point out that the 271 does have the rock flex mounts for the gangs.

Well many times even if for free this stuff will cost you tons in repairs !

My WORST buy pretty much has to be a 1983 Chevy K10 with the 6.2 diesel. Not only was the engine junk the rest of the truck was too ! And one of the craziest things I have done was to hang onto it as long as I had ! But I bet the next guy got a good one as I likely got all the problems straightened out by around 1995 or 1996 ? when I sold it. Had low miles and rust free and had a VERY nice totally rebuilt 1969 327 V8 in it with mild cam and 4 bbl carb.

Mathews Company 9E Rotary Scythe. Mowed anything but keeping the knives in condition was a time-consuming nightmare. It did work well for corn fodder though. Used John Deere 507 rotary mower. Made a nice cut when topping pasture but the combination of gearbox, roller chain and belts Deere used to run it gave problems.

My WORST buy pretty much has to be a Massey Ferguson 88 Diesel!

Bob..

Not something I bought. But the first tractor I worked on. Since moving back to the country. FarmTrac I have fixed so many things on it. I check caller ID to see if it is him calling.Another is some JD starters. On some of the tractors you have to remove the fuel filters to get the starter off.On some you have to go through the Hyd lines to get to the bottom bolt.

Greasing the bearings in that case is your problem. Since those bearings basically run in the dirt if you grease them til the grease comes out of the seal the dirt then follows the grease back under the seal ans destroys the bearing. Those bearings come with gease in them and until the seal goesbad addingmore grease does no good, and in that caseonce the seal is bad the dirtruins the bearing quickly with or without grease. I worked on a farm that had a large offset disc that had the same problem, bearings were almost a daily problem. I convinced the owners to quit greasing those bearings and the bearing problems went away. Of course it's too late for that disc because you don't use it anymore, but give it a try sometime and you will see.

forgot about the used new idea 5209disc bine ,but I REALLY WANT TO FORGET/// .p-owner must haved really done a number on it , but the machine did not show any abuse . ge traded it broke down to Prrish in Brandenburg Ky ,. they did some work to get it running ,, all looked and seemed just fine in November when I bought it,, had a 90 day warranty, which was out before I cut hay ,, after about 30 acres that thing was about to vibrate itself apart,. dealer refused warranty in spite of off season sale .. never could get the rattle out of that thing..learned a lot about disc mowers ,.sold it for half what I had in it ,.. figured that was better than loosing religion and my salvation ,..

Sorry about your troubles with the 4020. We are Case and CaseIH farmers but also own a 4020. It has been trouble free in the 20 years we have owned it. By far my favorite tractor to operate out of the fleet.

can't help but add my nickel, 80 f150 ford my uncle sold it to my dad and I wondered at times if they would speak again traded it for a 6.2 in a chevy from my great uncle and it has over 400k and still rolling makes you wonder.
Worst tractor has got to be a 4020 and a 8140 massey that 4020 never would start and I tried it all even modified the battery boxes to accept group 31 still had a heck of a time. The 8140 was an electrical nightmare from the get go, the only tractor that I have ever had that continually shifted itself; somedays the lift wouldn't work nor the dynashift but it did ride well. As for equipment a el 140 Kuhn tiller; we had always used howards but decided we would "save" some money, should have just bought the howard and saved the time and money we invested in that kuhniption.

99 Dodge dually with the Brazilian Cummings block...Cummings should have been ashamed of themselves for fostering such a piece of junk on the motoring public...Boy did I ever take a financial bath ...really defined the term "POS". I recall the block is marked with the number "53"...If you ever come across one, keep walking!! I've got a 97 and 04 dually with the Cummings and have had no problelms but that Brazilian POS was someting else.

I own one and love it. Wonder what was wrong with yours? bent drive shaft?

I bought the first 325 Stieger Panther that came into the State of Michigan. The engine was a 3406 Cat and was as good the day that I sold it as it was when new. That is where its good points end. The air conditioner was at it's best just a trifle bit better than nothing at all. Dry clutch meant very short lived behind a 325 horse farm tractor. Banded duals, when you could keep them tight, with about three inches spaced between them meant that the least bit sticky spot they loaded up and stayed that way till you were on your way home and they would unload several hundred pounds of dirt on the road. Planetary gears in the outboard hubs would heat up after about an hour of use on a hot day to the point you could fry eggs on them. This they had a remedy for as they would change them out from the three planetary gears that rotate around the sun gear to the five gear arrangement for about four thousand dollars a corner. The hydraulic system was so maxed out that if the chisel plow had new teeth on it you had to stop to raise it at the end of the field. The suck of new teeth would overcome the hydraulic system but after you used it for a couple of days they would wear off enough so you could raise it on the go. The next closest thing that comes to mind that I was glad to see go down the road was the last load of dairy cows.

I bought a 9N with the front mount distributor. Never started when damp. Engine seal leaked so clutch stuck to the flywheel occasionally. I had it hooked to a mowing deck with no overrunning clutch. That mowing deck drove me over a 3' tall rock wall one day, into a tree. It was a POS. I own a TO-20. Great tractor compared to a 9N.

agreed, it should had been a great machine for me , somewhere something was bent and throwing things out of harmony ,,.my son and would tune it all in ,, and after a few days ,, it would ramp up the vibrating again ,, we never could figure out what was going on except a couple teeth mite had been jumping on the individual pods

(quoted from post at 04:07:09 06/03/16) I bought a 9N with the front mount distributor. Never started when damp. Engine seal leaked so clutch stuck to the flywheel occasionally. I had it hooked to a mowing deck with no overrunning clutch. That mowing deck drove me over a 3' tall rock wall one day, into a tree. It was a POS. I own a TO-20. Great tractor compared to a 9N.

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Should have had an overrunning clutch on the PTO, the fact that it drove you over the wall was your mistake. Hope you didn't get hurt. My 9N has been my best tractor, it's properly set up to do what I need to do. I agree the front mount distributor was not Henry Ford's best idea, but if you have all the proper gaskets on the thing to keep moisture out, it works pretty well. I should hope the TO-20 was better, it's a much newer model than the 9N, it was last produced in 1941 from a 1938/39 design vs. the TO that started production in 1948.

I can't say we've ever had a bad tractor or piece of equipment, a Fordson Dexta was always a real bear to get started, but ran like a top when you did. I had a '94 Ford Ranger that was nickle and dime-ing me and the frame was rotting out from under it, but I really liked that little truck and glad it was gone. Saw it in town recently, the guy I sold it to is still driving it.

These people that just say something was bad need to be written off with their opion, now if they say something was bad for the and would explain why it was bad or what the problem was and why it could not be fixed then the opion is worth something.

I won't say some of the things I got were "bad", but I have a list of things that were a much better deal for the seller than for me (no names given to protect the guilty as well as innocent). I'll give just two examples.

Paid far too much to an old couple in need of some cash for a manure spreader that made it home, then realized it needed far more repair than it was worth before ever spreading a load. Rather than scrap it and admit to She who would say "I told you so", it's now in pieces as a "restoration project".

Got a heavily used diesel tractor from a dealer who must have seen me coming. 38" rears were better than fair, it started easily and I ran it around in their lot, and the essential things seemed "ok" on a once over. They obviously rolled it backward off their roll-off in the driveway while I was out working. I found it stuck in a forward gear. Got that figured out and fixed (temporarily), and realized the (inboard) brakes that worked ok on their flat lot had a lot to be desired out here in the hills, even without a load behind. Tore it apart and fixed those. Took it for a test drive after getting it back together and the water pump started leaking. Fixed that, then noticed one of the rear rims on the inside was rusted out badly at the bead line. Replaced one rim, and soon realized the front axle pivot had had a hunk of brass sheet hammered in that had worn and mostly fallen out. Took the front end pieces to a machine shop for a "no hurry / spare machine time / good deal" that took 3 months. Used it for a few months and started hearing a grinding in one final drive only to discover it had started eating a bearing because even though the oil fill plug showed oil, there was no drain plug on this early model to check for water. Got that fixed and was teaching a young relative how to use a tractor to back blade snow. Reverse, low range... "take your foot off the brakes and ease out the clutch...". Foot still very firmly on both brakes, she pops the clutch and snaps the internal shear coupling to the pinion gear. I chalk it up to how well the brakes now worked. At this point I'm into it so deep that the only way to get my investment out of it is to fix everything else and get another few decades of work out of it. It was a good tractor when built, and might as well be again. I just wish I hadn't bought it in the first place.

(quoted from post at 06:52:13 06/03/16) These people that just say something was bad need to be written off with their opion, now if they say something was bad for the and would explain why it was bad or what the problem was and why it could not be fixed then the opion is worth something.

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Not really. The topic was "Equipment/Tractor you bought you wish you had NOT!!!". Did not ask what the problems were or what kept it from being repaired nor did it ask what the final outcome was.

Heck I bought a car in 78 that started to be a nickel and dime car. I dumped it before I had too much into it. Same with a tractor. It broke, I didn't like the features on it, wasn't really worth fixing, I got rid of it.

I haven't seen anyone say an entire brand was bad, just their experiences with something they own/had owned. Like there have been a couple of post about 20 series JD's. No one claimed the entire line was bad, just they got a problem tractor.

What keeps some from being repaired? Reoccurring problems for one. Getting out from under it before too much is sunk into it is another reason to get rid of things. You are going to fault a person for not getting so deep into a piece of equipment that they can't afford to walk away from it? I had a round baler I did that with along with a haybine. I was wanting to upgrade both and when expensive breakdowns occurred I used that as motivation to replace both. Both with the CaseIH name on them but not manufactured by CaseIH. Didn't know I was supposed to get a group opinion before getting rid of those 2 items.

Rick

Not to make light of the topic, But, At some point in time, usually when something wasn't working, I can say that about just about anything I've ever owned. But my worst example would have to be an IH 45 square baler.