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JD Seller

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I will admit to not trusting many people and NEVER trusting any form of government. I have often wondered if the suspension of teaching cursive writing is part of a larger plan to change the history taught to the youth of today and tomorrow???? Why have I though this?? Well all of the founding documents, Declaration of Independence, Constitution, etc., are all written in cursive writing. Turning cursive writing into something that few know how to read or write is not good in my opinion.

I will add in that teaching cursive writing and manual math skills takes time an effort. The teachers and teaching systems today are just plain lazy!!! We are seeing the result of 50 years of the poor at any subject become teachers while the GOOD of these same subjects go on to "real world" jobs. Also the Unionization of the teaching field has made it to where almost no teacher can be fired for being incompetent. Our kids are being taught by people with many fewer skills than those that taught us fifty years ago. I know this will insult some teachers out there but I was on the school board for many years and I got to see the results over an entire district. The schools are not getting the best and brightest as teachers anymore. The current crop of teachers can tell you the most basic clauses of their contract but may not be that up to date on their teaching skills.

My Grand kids are taught cursive writing and manual math skills at HOME. They are doing well in school. I think that too many parents are lazy too. Two income homes maybe the "norm" but it has not improved the quality of the home life. We are doing a much poor job of preparing the next generation than was done in the past. No day care is as good as the average Mother from the past.

I will quit now. This post should have stirred up enough people for my work at being a grumpy old fart is done for today!!! LOL
 
Got the tin foil hat out yet today? LOL

What's to stop them from finding a printed copy of the constitution online?

As far as what teachers are teaching,isn't it because federal funding depends on teaching kids for college prep instead of vocational education? That's changing in Michigan. The state is pushing for vocational education. If other states don't follow suit,I guess that'll put them at a competitive disadvantage won't it?
 
A signature nowadays can be a thumbprint or retina scan. I doubt that it's any kind of plan like that. If things go the wrong way, the Supreme court may rule the Constitution unconstitutional anyway.
I suspect that cursive writing may become like short hand, not too many will be able to read it. It's almost that way now.
You're right about the quality of education, when the curriculum was taken out of local control, schools have become a government propaganda outlet. We are reaping the harvest of 40 years of apathy.
 
Well, I've been teaching for 42 years and have never been in a union.

I can tell you exactly when the US education system went to heck in a hand basket and that was when affirmative action was pasted. We didn't expect everyone to be able the pass the existing high standards so we dumbed down the standards. This is nothing against any race, creed, or color, but that's what happened.

The only thing students know today is how to use an electronic device to find an answer that one of us arrived at. They do not know how to think to see if that answer is in fact correct or meets their situation. Yep, it's hard to keep after them to think and reason their way to the correct conclusion, but a few of us keep hammering away.

Larry
 
The computer Generation is changing everything, not only in this country, but around the world. Old school thinking, like Baby Boomers, are on the way out. It's more about balance between life & work, and the experience over material possessions.
 
Larry I commend you for sticking with teaching for 42 years. I am amazed that your able to avoid a union. There are few teachers with your view point left in today's schools. The administrators are even worse.
 
Saw that happen in the military. All tech manuals were dumbed down. So the smartest and brightest could understand them.
 
Spudm: The trouble, at least in the US, is the new generation is becoming more like Europeans already are. They are stagnant as a sociality. They live well at the level they are born too. Very little upward mobility or even the drive to try. They are very few "first" in these type of societies. The Baby boomers advanced many "first" in area from science to business.

That drive seems to get lost in many of today's kids. I know boys that are eighteen and do not have their drivers license. Heck in my youth we drove way before we could be legal and usually could hardly wait to get "legal". Many of the young men today seem to be almost neutered by the feminization around many of them. An example is my two sisters. They both have men that jump when they are told to by my sisters. Then my sisters complain how their men have no drive. LOL They neutered them and then wonder why they do not act like men????????? CRAZY world today!!!
 
As teaching and teachers drifted toward lower middle class "worker" status in the 90s, the respect, admiration, and community support dropped to zero. Fewer of our young and bright aspire to teaching.
We are also (in primary and secondary schools in the US) so administratively enamored with testing outcomes with standardized exams, that we teach near zero foundation material and interdisciplinary connectivity. Most tested content is like alcohol, evaporative, dangerous when consumed in pure form, and gone when needed. I teach teachers. They have more than 50% of their course work in education theory and the remainder split between content, and general studies.
The inertia to pursue this lowering of performance includes the school board level decisions on teacher pay, funding referendums, and community attitudes.
Also remember we have 50 times as much content to teach today as in 1950. From computer and communication technology ever changing content, to the necessity of human co-existence across cultures and faiths, teachers are in a bind. Jim
 
Sounds like my grand daughter. She's a vegetarian,but she says she doesn't want to marry one because they're usually too sissy.
 
I watch "Watters World" On Fox news ,,it is embarrassing to see the lack of basic knowledge in young people even in college students,some didn't even know which side of the USA the Pacific was on. I went to a Catholic grade school and we were strictly taught with both manners and scholastic , we were tested weekly and if you didn't have passing grades you didn't pass,,now they claim that testing puts too much pressure on kids, and to flunk them is too embarrassing...and the results of all this is showing up.. An article in today's paper was talking about the college debt being too hi for the young people to handle,, well maybe common economics should have been taught so that they could see how it would all math out in the end "Before" the colleges sold them the over priced education...yes I could go on and on too...
 
JD........I remember hours of drawing "O's" and "//'s" across the lined tablet. It was called the "Palmer Method." My task was to keep'em between the lines. My penmanship teacher had these jiggley forearms (she was overweight) that made it seem so effortless. Then I got into "Shop" where we hadda learn how to "print" in little boxes. Sharpen the pencils on sandpaper. Girls gotta take "shorthand". Now that was some screwy scratching. I can remember my Dad making me practice my signature so I could sign across the back of Govt treasury checks without exceeding the space provided. ..........HTH, the amazed Dell
 
That's what happens when unions ensure the best teachers get paid the exact same as the people who are only occupying a chair.
 
Yes we were taught how to balance a check book,the cost of different interest rates,,and most of all the reasons for not spending more than you make...along with where we lived and how we got here. and being able to actually "Write" a letter..and of course respect for the Law...these basic things are not included in today's education...
 
rruland, I agree with you 100% on returning to an emphasis on vocational education. In fact, some professions pay as much or even more than those requiring a 4 year degree 9such as a HVAC technician).However, public education is not a one size fits all. Personally I pursued a career in science, thanks to MSU and NMU. And also, I want my Doctor to have a pretty good grasp of science. It really gripes me to hear some folks rail against science, then rush to a Doctor when they get sick.
 
Teachers lazy? We have a daughter who is finishing her first year teaching 4th grade in a public school. Got her teaching degree after mostly raising her family. I know she's not lazy! The kids (even already at 4th grade level) are tough to handle and you can't be lazy and succeed with them. The things she was required to take in college to get the teaching degree boggles the mind.

On a slightly different viewpoint, a fellow I know who works as a volunteer interpreter in an antique one room schoolhouse had 4th graders visit there recently and a student asked who were the two men pictured on a front wall. The pictures were of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. Isn't history taught anymore?
 
And then people complain about the Amish not getting a good education. They get an 8 th. grade taught by a 8 th. grade teacher. When an Amish kid gets out of there corn cob collages, They are smart enough to run a business and speak 2 languages and they can make change from any bill. They can also tell time by a clock. A few years ago I stopped at a Wendy's in Rome NY . The cash drawer was open but the computer part was not working. My bill was 4.80 The girl said she had to wait for the manager. I said why don't you give me a 5 and a pair of dimes out of a 10 . She said she could not do that. I said I will bet that you graduated from high school ? Yep she said just this June. The manager came up and I said I would really like a stupid jerk with a high school education digging around in my cash box that can't make change from a 10 dollar bill. The manager said I was rude and that it is not the girls fault because they don't teach them any more like that. I said lady I got a 5th, grade education ,Why don't you try me on a 10 dollar bill ?The lady said that isn't all they can't tell time by a clock with hands. It's got to be computer or they can't do any thing. Oh how I loved that old one room school back in the 40's. Jack
 
That's what happens when the government insists on saving money on education and at the same time requires standardized tests. When you pay teachers so much below what people with the same education receive in other areas, is it any wonder that the standards go down. My wife teaches and has her master's degree plus many, many credits. Our son's starting salary with only a bachelors degree was the same as hers and has gone up considerably. My wife has to take continuing education to renew her license, our son just works.
 
Two years ago I attended a high school basketball game where two men were yelling disparaging remarks at visiting players. I have seen otherwise calm individuals lose composure at sporting events but this was different. The hecklers had little to say about calls or missed shots,it was 90% personal about the kids. Poking fun at players height,hair,walk,weight and such. I had all I could take and spoke to the principle about them eventhough there was no doupt he could hear them. The principle walked up there but obviously just said hi and returned to his seat because it continued. Talking to the parent of a student a few days later I found out one of the hecklers was on the board and routinly showed up with a snut full acting like that. The parent went on to tell me board elections drew few candidates because so few people want the responsability of running their school district. What can you expect of teachers in a district with administrators like that? The fellow is still on the board but he and others at a later board meeting know what I think about his behavior and it's effect on the community. So don't bash teachers until you know their bosses.
 
Yes it is all spiraling down...and it will take a lot to reverse it with out "Hurting some one's feelings"....
 
Man Dell do I ever remember the o's and /'s. Besides the Palmer there was a competing method called the Peterson.
 
The truth is kids only learn what they want to now days. No discipline in schools or life. There is a just get by attitude.
 
I've taught for 20 years in addition to farming 1000 acres. I work roughly 18 hours a day year round. I have taught 4th grade in the same building all of those years. In a district with just under 29,000 students there are roughly 180 teachers who belong to the union. That is due mainly to the fact that our union stinks and has no bargaining power. It's worthless, but I also think it is highway robbery (thus why I don't belong). It's sad when a family with two children and parents who are teachers qualify for free and reduced lunches due to poverty. We don't have any children, so I can blow everything on farm losses!

Although our governor has done nothing for schools, the requirements in our district continue to tighten. That's good - it weeds out the chaff. Inferior teaching is due only to inferior administration from the top down.

In addition to everything my kids have to know for state and national standards, my kids leave with a rounded experience. They know where their food comes from, they understand trade and imports/exports, they can go into detail about our Presidents and history, and all know what a contested convention is and the chances both parties will end up there.

I would challenge everyone to think of occupations that do not use technology. There are a rare few. From UPS drivers to the power company meter reader, they all have to be fluent with technology - those aren't even "office jobs". If I didn't understand sensors and programming the GPS I would never get my crops in or out. Sure, there are guys who do it without, but efficiency will be the name of the game in the next years. Those things make me efficient. I have one tractor from 1996 and the rest are 1970's vintage. It's not the tractor that has to be tech savvy, it's the operator. My students write well and speak well, but teaching cursive is not high on my list of tasks. By the time my 10 year olds graduate, the job they will have will be one that does not currently exist. It's not a drive of mine to let them forget or rewrite history. With learning at their fingertips anytime they are able to find and learn things so much more advanced than cursive. They can't get away from history. It is showing up in everything they look for or want to learn.

Some things won't ever change - reading isnt new and math isn't that different. The world around us has changed drastically and we would be providing them a disservice if we did not change our other methods to meet the world and its steps forward.

The rain shower has passed, so I'm headed back out to the shed ya'll.
 
I understand your sentiments, be nice if we could go back to grandpa's America. But we cannot, it is never going to be that way again.
 
You're right. This group stays in college until 30, then only works a few months, and spends the rest of the year in Europe, eating at Bistros, smoking cigarettes, drinking wine, and dancing in nightclubs. Look who supports Bernie Sanders and what he stands for...Need I say more?
 
WOW!!! I just read all of these posts and a lot of it really rings true and close to home. My daughter has been a teacher for almost 20 years. She has a degree/certificate in music education and secondary English. She currently has all elementary kids in the school at one time or another in a class called "fine arts". It's really music, but they can't call it that for some unknown reason. She has been a senior English teacher in the past, but really tired of the situation where, with incoming seniors, she had to teach them how to read and write enough to read the assignments and to be able to do the homework. This was an average school with average or above average kids. They simply could not read and write at even a sixth grade level. Her husband is the high school band director so the natural thing for her to do was get into the music end of it. Her students can at least read music after she gets through with them.

As for what we have in the real world, I can't tell you all I have seen. Where I work we have a couple of jobs that have a turnover rate of one or two per year. It's not a high paying job and mostly part timers apply. Problem is: Many cannot fill out a job application. We did have one who asked if we could email it to him in a PDF format so he could fill it out online.

I, too, had a similar experience at the local convenience store. Bill was $5.18, I gave the girl a ten, then started fishing for the 18 cents. She had already rang up the ten by the time I got the change out. She was confused and didn't have a clue what to do, so she voided the ticket and re rang the sale.

And yes, I understand problems can be solved faster and better with computers and calculators. Farming was mentioned, makes all the sense in the world to use technology. Writing takes time, time that can be used otherwise. I couldn't post what I just typed in a cursive style that everyone could read. I kinda scribble now.

History? NO excuse for not teaching it, lest we all relive it again.
 
I never could read another person's cursive handwriting. I know cursive, but always write in standard letters. Me and the Wife homeschooled some and cursive was the least of our concern. My 19 yr old son has probably read more Christians books than most adult Christians. He has also read his Bible completely through at 10 years old. He does sign his name in cursive, but I really could care less if he knew the rest. If you want your child to be able to write and read cursive, then by all means teach him yourself! I also know a family that Grandma homeschools her three granddaughters, while Mom and Dad work. What I am saying is this" Parents; 'Take an active role in your child's education, Moms and Dads!' JB
 

My son said one of the biggest issues he had to deal with is movers and there are plenty of them. They come and go as the rent is due they come to you way behind they never can catch up.

We have one year round school in the county the only way to get into it is sign up the first of every year this weeds out the movers. That year round school excels the rest have a D grade are less...

Parents are the #1 issue its something money can not fix it has to start at home. Mama's little baby's are perfect it has to be the teachers fraught. :shock:
 
Both the OP, and your post are really good.

I understand what your saying, but as a parent, who has a 13 year old daughter in school, I have to say the original post has a lot of merit also. I hear the things they are teaching, and the things they aren't teaching, not to mention the changes they have made to important things that prevent us, as parents, from helping them with homework.

Seriously, she's in 7th grade now, and knows more about world history than US history. To me this is just plain wrong. Our kids need to be taught US history from day one, until the day they graduate. yes, broaden their horizons and knowledge by teaching world history also. Then, teach it ALL as it happened, NOT as the PC crowd wants us to believe it happened.

This is the very reason I encourage her to read, and think on her own, instead of offering up a blind belief in everything she's taught by a Government backed system.
 
That has always been true, you can't teach people who do not want to learn. In my dad's school days (1930's & 1940's) the kids that didn't want to be in school dropped out by the sixth grade if not sooner. I my school days (1960's & 1970's) the kids that didn't want to learn only put in the absolute minimum effort, dropped out at sixteen or rode "the conveyor line" until high school graduation. Unfortunately, in today's world even the U.S. Army does not want people who are not technically savvy anymore (maybe the Marines still do?).

Ever try to read cursive writing from other countries? Cursive writing does not translate well internationally, it really has no place in today's international technologies.
 
I openly admit I don't like cursive writing. No one commits to standard clean style of it and they use it to hide their poor spelling abilities in illegible garble.

Reading well written cursive requires 5 minutes of instruction to a kid to understand the lines between the letters, its not like its a foreign language. Writing it well takes tons of practice so you can use it to... to what? Even people who write in cursive can't understand their own notes when they review them years later. Even if they had skipped complete sentences and printed in point form you could at least have something usable later.

I suppose it would be useful in a career doing calligraphy but how many of those does the world need?

Spend the time on math, finances, history, outlining, anything but cursive!

Down with cursive, down with cursive!
 
A good referee should have thrown the hecklers out regardless of who they were. That is unsportsmanlike conduct. When I was in high school, we had a technical foul called against the crowd one time. It was against a rival school and we chanted something we shouldn't have. We got the message loud and clear and never crossed that line again.
 
And that masters degree has her in the same classroom a person with a bachelors degree will be in when she retires.

My wife has been a teacher for 20 years, my sister has been a teacher for 30. We both have the same education and I make more than double what she makes. But then I don't have every holiday known to man off, with a week or two for Christmas and the entire summer.
 
(quoted from post at 13:20:35 05/08/16) I will admit to not trusting many people and NEVER trusting any form of government. I have often wondered if the suspension of teaching cursive writing is part of a larger plan to change the history taught to the youth of today and tomorrow???? Why have I though this?? Well all of the founding documents, Declaration of Independence, Constitution, etc., are all written in cursive writing. Turning cursive writing into something that few know how to read or write is not good in my opinion.

I will add in that teaching cursive writing and manual math skills takes time an effort. The teachers and teaching systems today are just plain lazy!!! We are seeing the result of 50 years of the poor at any subject become teachers while the GOOD of these same subjects go on to "real world" jobs. Also the Unionization of the teaching field has made it to where almost no teacher can be fired for being incompetent. Our kids are being taught by people with many fewer skills than those that taught us fifty years ago. I know this will insult some teachers out there but I was on the school board for many years and I got to see the results over an entire district. The schools are not getting the best and brightest as teachers anymore. The current crop of teachers can tell you the most basic clauses of their contract but may not be that up to date on their teaching skills.

My Grand kids are taught cursive writing and manual math skills at HOME. They are doing well in school. I think that too many parents are lazy too. Two income homes maybe the "norm" but it has not improved the quality of the home life. We are doing a much poor job of preparing the next generation than was done in the past. No day care is as good as the average Mother from the past.

I will quit now. This post should have stirred up enough people for my work at being a grumpy old fart is done for today!!! LOL
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My wife has been teaching for about 20 years now, so I've been listening for that long to her complain about the direction things are going. For the most part it's not laziness or unions, it's mandated instruction that has nothing to do with education, it's indoctrination instead of education and it's making square pegs AND round pegs fit in a triangular hole. IOW, it's gov't bureaucracy micro managing education, wit hgood inten
 
(quoted from post at 13:20:35 05/08/16) I will admit to not trusting many people and NEVER trusting any form of government. I have often wondered if the suspension of teaching cursive writing is part of a larger plan to change the history taught to the youth of today and tomorrow???? Why have I though this?? Well all of the founding documents, Declaration of Independence, Constitution, etc., are all written in cursive writing. Turning cursive writing into something that few know how to read or write is not good in my opinion.

I will add in that teaching cursive writing and manual math skills takes time an effort. The teachers and teaching systems today are just plain lazy!!! We are seeing the result of 50 years of the poor at any subject become teachers while the GOOD of these same subjects go on to "real world" jobs. Also the Unionization of the teaching field has made it to where almost no teacher can be fired for being incompetent. Our kids are being taught by people with many fewer skills than those that taught us fifty years ago. I know this will insult some teachers out there but I was on the school board for many years and I got to see the results over an entire district. The schools are not getting the best and brightest as teachers anymore. The current crop of teachers can tell you the most basic clauses of their contract but may not be that up to date on their teaching skills.

My Grand kids are taught cursive writing and manual math skills at HOME. They are doing well in school. I think that too many parents are lazy too. Two income homes maybe the "norm" but it has not improved the quality of the home life. We are doing a much poor job of preparing the next generation than was done in the past. No day care is as good as the average Mother from the past.

I will quit now. This post should have stirred up enough people for my work at being a grumpy old fart is done for today!!! LOL
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My wife has been teaching for about 20 years now, so I've been listening for that long to her complain about the direction things are going. For the most part it's not laziness or unions, it's mandated instruction that has nothing to do with education, it's indoctrination instead of education and it's making square pegs AND round pegs fit in a triangular hole. IOW, it's gov't bureaucracy micro managing education, with good intentions, but screwing things up.
 
Grandpa's America was great if you were a white male. Ask any minority and I doubt there would be much nostalgia for that time period for them.
 
(quoted from post at 14:10:24 05/09/16) Grandpa's America was great if you were a white male. Ask any minority and I doubt there would be much nostalgia for that time period for them.
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You mean for the immigrants who came here for a better life? The ones who left persecution in their home countries and built homes and dreams here? Yeah, at one time being Irish meant you were lower down the ladder than anyone else. At one time being black meant you were going to have to work to get out of the ditch. At one time being a woman meant you got 1/2 the pay for the same work. And yet people still did everything they could to get here.

Stupid people, this is an awful place, always has been..... :roll:
 
(quoted from post at 11:13:30 05/08/16) Saw that happen in the military. All tech manuals were dumbed down. So the smartest and brightest could understand them.
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And just when was the rewrite of the manuals? I know they talked about it in the 80's but decided against. At that time they were written at an 8th grade level and they were talking about reducing it to the 6th grade level. I've got a mine/countermine warfare TM floating around here somewhere from the early 50's and a radar manual for 1948. They don't read any different than the manuals we had in the early 90's before I retired. Besides, most folks never read those manuals anyway. Gotta remember that before WWII broke out many kids left school after the 8th grade. Many more could neither read or write. Yes a number of the men who enlisted or were drafted for WWII were illiterate right here in the good ole USA.

It's interesting watching the reactions to current course curriculum. Why spend the money teaching something that they are not going to use? Just because we had to learn it isn't a reason. It's more like revenge. When I hit 8th grade all that cursive writing went out the window in 1968. Papers and reports had to be typed, double spaced. When I joined the Army in 1974 all forms were filled out by PRINTING. When I retired in 96 all forms were filled out by PRINTING. When I earned enough rank to have to write reports they had to be typed. If they were taking a sworn statement it was taken to start by hand where it was PRINTED then typed. If I wrote up a soldier for misconduct or an award I had to print or type it.

Going back all my text books in school were printed starting in 1960. Every contract I've ever seen was printed. Every job application was printed. The only time I have ever used cursive writing was writing letters home while I was in the Army. Once I gained a little in rank I used this thing, it was called a phone, so I wrote few letters after that.

When was the last time any of you bought a tractor, implement, car or truck and the purchase agreement was in cursive? When was the last time you signed a loan contract that was in cursive or got insurance and the policy was in cursive?

So we got forced to learn a dead writing method even way back then. For what? All it really taught me was to resent being force to learn something foolish.

Rick
 
I think you are making a generalization of education that is not the case.

You have to shop schools, just like you would shop any vendor to find the best. My children are opened enrolled in one of the most academic strict public schools in the country. We chose that school for that reason over the local small town school that focused on athletics and home education. The school we chose is also the most economic and ethnically diverse school in the city. The educators work hard and the students do too because they know it is expected of them.

I think the small town schools that refuse to consolidate and the inner city schools are sub par. This is not because of the teachers, it is because the parents choices. The small town schools cannot provide the diversity in education that is needed in the modern world, the parents want to hold onto their identity by having their own school, but it provides no benefit to the students. The inner city schools are short on money, good teachers and children that are interested in education, this also goes back to the parents who do not emphasize hard work and education to move up in life, they are more focused on drugs and welfare. Why would you want to be a teacher in that environment, so it creates that situation.

I also believe that no child left behind created less children move ahead.
 
(quoted from post at 10:34:08 05/10/16) I think you are making a generalization of education that is not the case.

You have to shop schools, just like you would shop any vendor to find the best. My children are opened enrolled in one of the most academic strict public schools in the country. We chose that school for that reason over the local small town school that focused on athletics and home education. The school we chose is also the most economic and ethnically diverse school in the city. The educators work hard and the students do too because they know it is expected of them.

I think the small town schools that refuse to consolidate and the inner city schools are sub par. This is not because of the teachers, it is because the parents choices.[b:cabca78150] The small town schools cannot provide the diversity in education that is needed in the modern world, [/b:cabca78150]the parents want to hold onto their identity by having their own school, but it provides no benefit to the students. The inner city schools are short on money, good teachers and children that are interested in education, this also goes back to the parents who do not emphasize hard work and education to move up in life, they are more focused on drugs and welfare. Why would you want to be a teacher in that environment, so it creates that situation.

I also believe that no child left behind created less children move ahead.
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What exactly do you mean by "diversity of education"? I don't know what state you live in, but here everything is mandated by State law and there is little choice in what you can do, outside of going to a private school which is impossible for most of us. You cannot enroll your kids in any of the schools outside your district and pay tuition either, we tried that. What we have here is schools doing all they can to meet the mandates so they get the state aid. Everything else comes second or third and so on.
 
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(quoted from post at 10:34:08 05/10/16) I think you are making a generalization of education that is not the case.

You have to shop schools, just like you would shop any vendor to find the best. My children are opened enrolled in one of the most academic strict public schools in the country. We chose that school for that reason over the local small town school that focused on athletics and home education. The school we chose is also the most economic and ethnically diverse school in the city. The educators work hard and the students do too because they know it is expected of them.

I think the small town schools that refuse to consolidate and the inner city schools are sub par. This is not because of the teachers, it is because the parents choices.[b:33e563f05a] The small town schools cannot provide the diversity in education that is needed in the modern world, [/b:33e563f05a]the parents want to hold onto their identity by having their own school, but it provides no benefit to the students. The inner city schools are short on money, good teachers and children that are interested in education, this also goes back to the parents who do not emphasize hard work and education to move up in life, they are more focused on drugs and welfare. Why would you want to be a teacher in that environment, so it creates that situation.

I also believe that no child left behind created less children move ahead.
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What exactly do you mean by "diversity of education"? I don't know what state you live in, but here everything is mandated by State law and there is little choice in what you can do, outside of going to a private school which is impossible for most of us. You cannot enroll your kids in any of the schools outside your district and pay tuition either, we tried that. What we have here is schools doing all they can to meet the mandates so they get the state aid. Everything else comes second or third and so on.
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Here we have open enrollment. If you want to send your kids to a school outside of your district you can and the only additional cost is in getting them to a bus stop or to school.

The "diversity" comment has me wondering too.

My problem with the small town schools is that they cannot provide some courses of study that larger, better funded schools can. I know of a couple of local kids who graduated as the Val Victorian with dreams of attending a service academy. One flunked out in the first semester and the other couldn't pass the entrance exam. I'm not saying that every kids should be able to get into a service academy but the top 10% should have the academic background to get in if that's what they want. I don't know one local kid here in the last 10 years or so who didn't have to at least take a couple of semesters at a community college before moving on to a regular 4 year college.

Rick
 

It's "Valedictorian" and "Salutatorian". We don't even use those terms here in our abundant utopia. Someones feeling might get hurt because they had a 66 average due to being drunk, stoned and stupid and someone else had a 97 average because they worked hard.
 
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