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I am currently looking into swapping a 5.9 cummins into a 706 IH diesel for a friend. The Cummins is a 1st gen from a Dodge pickup and it has the ve pump on it. I seen that Leaman tractor sells a pretty straight forward kit for the swap... , but I am wondering about the injection pump.
Is the pump from the pickup truck application gonna work well in a tractor?

Should I try to find a pump from a 1896 IH with the Cummins?

Any hints/tips appreciated. Thanks
 
There's an article in the new Hart Parr Oliver Collector magazine that just came,on that very subject. I'll quote from it. "The Bosch model VE rotary injection pump governors can typically be converted by a competent injection shop for a few hundred dollars provided no additional pump work is required."
 
The current pump will supply more than
enough power for that size of tractor.
Be lucky if the tractor will hold up to
it. See alot of allis tractors
conversation and seem to tear up alot
of transmission parts.
 
Brother worked for a guy that put a 5.9 in a 756, left the same pump on it. My brother sent me a pic of it on the
roller mill blowing shelled corn into a silo, the exhaust manifold was cherry red.
 
The AC transmissions could be made to be a bit more reliable by following the service recommendations that were issued in the late 60's. It was discovered that the shafts of the transmission were flexing and that reduced the gear teeth contact area and caused failures. The shaft flexing could be reduced by pre-loading the tapered bearings more than the original pre-load specifications. Then the transmission would hold the gear teeth contact better. However, not too much extra HP could be put through the transmission without causing failure. If the bearings were preloaded to the new specifications, the transmission could probably handle 10 -15% more HP; more than that is pushing your luck.
 
The AUTOMOTIVE gov will run it BUT it will not work like a industrial gov will , then there is the fact that you should have it set to limit the H.P. as even if it is set to the first year Dodge spec.'s you will get to be and expert on transmission and rear end repair . setting it to the 115 to 125 Hp. will do well . Now the down side is to work it in the field you will have to add a row or two of cores to the rad. on a 706 , on a 806 it is a larger rad but it is taller then a 706 . So you want a constant speed gov and a bigger rad.
 
Hi I bet that international will take it, most of the 2wd Allis tractors like 180, 190 and such could tear there own transmission out with standard power. Then if a guy puts a cummins in and up's the fuel It really don't help.

I'm guessing there is not much difference between a 7 and 806 rear end for metal in it. There are guys building pullers with that 806 rear end with case IH magnum tin on, and shoving big hp through them tractor pulling. Simply red in the U.K was one I knew personally that was like that.
if you start with weak component problems, they don't usually get better with more power from what I have learned.
Regards Robert
 
I have put quite a few 5.9s in tractors and trucks and the ve pump works the best because there is a governor in it already. Link imp. in Ridgeland WI. has a plate for the IH tractors. The Cummins will really make a tractor out of that 706.
 
The Dodge Cummins VE pump came with a variable speed governor spring, just not quite as sensitive. Most automotive spring packs were pre compressed, but not the Dodge or the first Toyota diesel pickups with the VE pump. If you decide you do want a more sensitive action replace the spring you have with Bosch # 1 464 650 404. That's the spring used in the White 140 Cummins 5.9 with the VE.
 
You would need to add a variable speed governor to the pump as it only has a limiting speed in the automotive application... I think you'd
find the 4BT(A) would be more than enough engine to rip the 706 to pieces tho. 6B is a lot too much engine for that chassis.

Rod
 
They were rated at 170 hp at the flywheel with the
VE44, but be aware that seeing 180 at the wheels
with near 50% torque converter slip is not unheard
of.
 
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