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Farmers Get Biggest U.S. Subsidy Check in Decade as Prices D

And this is why I quit growing grain corn to feed my cows . Thanks in part to the U.S. treasury paying farmers to grow corn at a loss, it is cheaper for me to buy grain to feed , than it is to grow the darn stuff. Keep up the good work guys , I didn't really like doing grain corn anyway. Bruce
 
So now the USDA knows what prices will be in 2025 they cant even be sure of diesel fuel 6 months from now and with EPA at the rate we are going by 2025 wont even be able to buy seed or fertilizer.
 
Apparently all US gov't agencies have a big crystal ball. Kind of like climate change. NWS and NASA indicate gloom and doom, but we don't know what the weather will be day after tomorrow!
 
This statement that I could be wrong on. The older I get, the less I remember.

Seems to me I've read somewhere before that the goobment has the welfare/subsidy tied to the farmers. If so, most of that farmers subsidy/money is going to support all those people that needs a hand out.
 
Isn't it interesting that Monsanto has a sad face because recent quarterly profit was only a little over 1 billion dollars. Corporate Ag profits from the fleecing of taxpayers pockets. Although it's referred to as the Farm Program, it's really a Corporate Ag Program specifically designed to depress farm market prices though over production.
 
Bob

Don't know about Canada.

But SFA agricultural is in OZ and we're told there is a "level playing field" in international agriculture trade
 
Don't take this the wrong way, but many farmers here in kY went into CREP and some other handout programs and have done very well. One friend of mine gets $370 an acre to grow weeds and mow 1/3 each year. If you can make that farming for corn it ain't around here. This practice has gotten common along with when grain went up no one left a blade of grass unturned and now getting hay for cattle difficult. And since grain went down no one can stand the expense of resowing grass, so rents are decreasing. This is marginal grainland and I expect to see a few of those guys that jumped in over their heads to drown. At any rate some farmers do get money from government and at one time you could find on gov.org how much and subsidys looked pretty big on paper.
 
Go ahead and sign up, guaranteed you won't get rich like most think! This rut won't last long, all it takes is us or some other country to have a bad year and it can raise prices, 2012 we had a major drought which sparked the whole 7, 8 dollar corn then quite a few folks pulled there land from CRP to plant corn, others down south I under stand went from planting cotton to corn, we had a few good growing years, then the Chinese pulled there cards and said they were not going to except corn with Viptera in it, and that is all it took to to make the market tumble like a rock.
 
I know of some Farmers around me that are planting beans this year and not corn. Seems like our whole economy is in a bubble again with everything.....
 
OK, I can see disaster assistance but that's about it. I don't care what a guy wants to call it farming is a business. If you over produce in any other business you eat the loss. Do it often enough and the business fails. It's that simple.

There should be no "subsidies" as such of any type! Buy your own darned insurance too without help! Nor should the government mandate things like ethanol! It's sink or swim on your own!

Rick
 
I grew up on a Midwest farm. I still make part of my income from farmland I own. My son makes part of his income from land the government pays him to lie idle. It's said that if the government doesn't help farmers, they will have to let the land go unfarmed. It's all BS. Despite my ongoing ties to the land, I say it should be sink or swim. As others have said, farming is a business. If someone can't make it, step aside and let someone else do it.
 
Ever notice how everyone sees the other folks as the freeloaders? Young people think it is the old people, farmers think it is the bankers, bankers think it is the farmers, workers think it is the people that shipped their jobs overseas, business people think it is the welfare cheats. Tax payers think it is the special interest loophole users.

If only everyone was as honest and hard working as you and me!
 
I see that in eminent domain issues also, I bet the ones complaining the most about not building the pipeline would complain the most if it was across their land.
 
(quoted from post at 07:26:09 04/12/16) Ever notice how everyone sees the other folks as the freeloaders? Young people think it is the old people, farmers think it is the bankers, bankers think it is the farmers, workers think it is the people that shipped their jobs overseas, business people think it is the welfare cheats. Tax payers think it is the special interest loophole users.

If only everyone was as honest and hard working as you and me!
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If the farmer is getting money because he overproduced then it's his fault and he should just have to deal with it. Most of the banks, at least the ones that didn't fail paid that money back. No one helps pay my insurance for home, auto, health or life. No one helps the average business pay their insurance either. Most businesses never got any type of bail out. Yet farmers consistently get some type of help every year. Someone drawing SS? They paid into that system! But most farmers try their darnedest to avoid paying taxes if they can then they expect at least subsidized crop insurance. That's almost as bad as the minimum wage worker getting free health care on top of more back in taxes than they pay in. And yea, that to a large extent is the minimum wage workers fault in the majority of the cases. A lot of them have those jobs because they didn't care to get any type of job training after high school. Maybe they should have just become farmers.

And really CRP may help out the land owner but it helps the farmer too as it keeps some land out of production. So while it is a subsidy to the land owner it's a back door subsidy to the farmer.

Rick
 
NIMBY! Not in my back yard. I agree with you 100%. All the people in favor of wind turbines should have one in their back yard, and nuclear power plants, and subsidised housing, etc. As far as turbines it is interesting how they won't allow them to be built within eyesight of the East coast even though theyes use so much power. Make no mistake, I'm not against turbines or pipelines, I just think that those that want it should have to live with it.
 
Anyone ever try to decline the government payments/programs? I tried.

I only had about 80 acres of row crop when I quit farming and went to just hay/recreation/hunting ground.

I would get something like $300 in "defeciency payments" This was 8 or 10 years ago.

So when they started the program where you had to sign a form agreeing to let the IRS have access to your info, I told them I wanted out. Didn't want or need the $300. I couldn't decline. If I didn't sign into the program, it would throw my tennent farm out of the program also, and he needed it.

So they trap you in.

Gene
 
(quoted from post at 08:26:20 04/12/16) Anyone ever try to decline the government payments/programs? I tried.

I only had about 80 acres of row crop when I quit farming and went to just hay/recreation/hunting ground.

I would get something like $300 in "defeciency payments" This was 8 or 10 years ago.

So when they started the program where you had to sign a form agreeing to let the IRS have access to your info, I told them I wanted out. Didn't want or need the $300. I couldn't decline. If I didn't sign into the program, it would throw my tennent farm out of the program also, and he needed it.

So they trap you in.

Gene
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Depending on the situation you can opt out. I told em where to stick it before I went into full retirement last year.

Rick
 
I know we pay less than most countries. But when you get paid once a month on disability. It sure doesn't look cheap. I guess I could go to Mexico. Join the crowds coming over for the free stuff
 
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(quoted from post at 08:26:20 04/12/16) Anyone ever try to decline the government payments/programs? I tried.

I only had about 80 acres of row crop when I quit farming and went to just hay/recreation/hunting ground.

I would get something like $300 in "defeciency payments" This was 8 or 10 years ago.

So when they started the program where you had to sign a form agreeing to let the IRS have access to your info, I told them I wanted out. Didn't want or need the $300. I couldn't decline. If I didn't sign into the program, it would throw my tennent farm out of the program also, and he needed it.

So they trap you in.

Gene
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Depending on the situation you can opt out. I told em where to stick it before I went into full retirement last year.

Rick
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You're right. I opted out of payments on my farm but I still have to give them my information. They said it was for the next owner after I die??? My wife has a farm that she rents out cash rent and she opted out of payments but the renter still gets his.
 
I DONT CONSIDER A FARMER A FARMER IF HE HAS TO HAVE GOVERMENT MONEY TO MAKE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.kINDA LIKE HAVING KIDS YOU CANT SUPPORT WITHOUT THE GOVERMENT HELP.
 
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(quoted from post at 11:32:11 04/12/16)
(quoted from post at 08:26:20 04/12/16) Anyone ever try to decline the government payments/programs? I tried.

I only had about 80 acres of row crop when I quit farming and went to just hay/recreation/hunting ground.

I would get something like $300 in "defeciency payments" This was 8 or 10 years ago.

So when they started the program where you had to sign a form agreeing to let the IRS have access to your info, I told them I wanted out. Didn't want or need the $300. I couldn't decline. If I didn't sign into the program, it would throw my tennent farm out of the program also, and he needed it.

So they trap you in.

Gene
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Depending on the situation you can opt out. I told em where to stick it before I went into full retirement last year.

Rick
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You're right. I opted out of payments on my farm but I still have to give them my information. They said it was for the next owner after I die??? My wife has a farm that she rents out cash rent and she opted out of payments but the renter still gets his.
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Really? I told em I didn't want any of their help. The only thing they did was come out to my place to check crop residue without telling me. I caught them at it and told them I'd have them charged with trespassing if I found them on my property again. That was about 4 years ago. I haven't heard from them sense.

Rick
 
Did this tabloid sounding article separate out actual subsidy payments from sealed grain payments, grain storage loans, building loans, crop production loans, beginning farmer loans? These are all payments given out but only the subsidy payments are NOT paid back. The others are paid back with interest except for the sealed grain in certain conditions. I certainly won't get rich on subsidy payments nor will subsidy payments put me in the black. We need to do some research before treat an article liked this as absolute truth.
 
They sent me one of those forms I had fun
best crop marijauna how many cattle 4 live
2 dead 3 poorly etc . For some reason the
cops seem to be circling around but they
never sent me another one . I wish they
would there fun to fill out
 
In Canada, we have the option to purchase crop insurance We also can opt into several programs which allow you to make deposits based on your farm income which are matched by the government and which you can access as needed, you can also register into programs that you pay a premium to guarantee a price for your crop, and you get a payback if prices fall below the prescribed level. You can call them a subsidy of sorts, but there is some risk involved by both sides, so they are unlike a straight cash payment .Many many businesses get a subsidy of some sorts, even oil companies.It is more about keeping the business climate stable and ensuring the businesses in whole survive ups and downs in the economy. Ben
 
This really is none of my business so I ask forgiveness in advance. I am not a farmer but the son of a dry land farmer in North Dakota. I loved farming with my Dad. He was old when I was born and sold his farm 43 years ago when I was 16. Yes things today are nowhere near what they were then,there is a lot I don't know, but in my heart I am a farmer.
What does P!&& me off with the farm subsidy program is that FOREIGN owners and Multi National corporations that own American farmland get the same subsidy as the local guy that owns and farms the land next to it. US government sending our money over seas. Correct me if I'm wrong. Sorry if I have stepped on some toes here. Look at the link. Check the states and counties
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Are you jealous? If you have a problem with it contact your legislators they are the ones that pass the farm bill with persuasion from the grain buyers and others promoting large farming. It ought to be capped and none of that "other entity" crap to get around limits . Saying that the big farmers around here take theirs so I do to.
 
No I am not jealous. I have a problem with sending our tax dollars overseas to people or corporations that are not American citizens.
 
(quoted from post at 18:58:29 04/12/16) I don't really think my food is that cheap, but I really think my taxes are very high.
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You think they are high? If a certain party gets it's way they will be even higher! Just ask some other countries that are much further than we are in the march toward socialism. Something along the lines of at least 50% for the average earner. Folks gotta learn that all that free government stuff ain't free!

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 06:03:34 04/12/16) So now the USDA knows what prices will be in 2025 they cant even be sure of diesel fuel 6 months from now and with EPA at the rate we are going by 2025 wont even be able to buy seed or fertilizer.
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If we can elect nnalert the EPA will cease to be a problem.
 
(quoted from post at 07:23:07 04/13/16)
(quoted from post at 06:03:34 04/12/16) So now the USDA knows what prices will be in 2025 they cant even be sure of diesel fuel 6 months from now and with EPA at the rate we are going by 2025 wont even be able to buy seed or fertilizer.
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If we can elect nnalert the EPA will cease to be a problem.
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How sad that people don't realize that the EPA will not cease to exist just because someone become president. It would take both houses passing a law doing away with it before a president could even think about weather to sign it into law or not.

Rick
 
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