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Steve@Advance

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While reading my morning paper at the breakfast table...

Came across this tidbit of wisdom in the Cheers & Jeers section of the Ft. Worth Star Telegram. Check for your self, I'm not making this up! LOL

"Jeers: To America?s corn farmers. If corn-based ethanol is such a great fuel, why aren?t they using it in their tractors?"

http://www.star-telegram.com
 
This one?

Jeers: To America?s corn farmers. If corn-based ethanol is such a great fuel, why aren?t they using it in their tractors?

WILLIAM J. BECK, EULESS

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/article68359867.html#storylink=cpy
 
One way to substantially raise the consumption of ethanol would be to put 350+ HP gasoline engines in our large farm tractors. We would need to park a fuel transport at each end of the field because the gas man wouldn't be able to keep up. The price of all grades of gasoline would go up seasonally requiring the citiot to pay more for gas at the pump. Maybe the citiot should just keep quiet, ya think?
 
Actually,I wondered the same thing about the short lived solar panel factory. Why did they run all new power lines to the site instead of powering the place with solar panels?
 
I burn straight gas in my gas tractors because I can! I'd burn straight gas in my on road vehicles if it were legal here.

Rick
 
I don't receive the Startlegram but I like to read that section at the in-law's when we visit.

While the author is obviously misinformed on several levels, I myself have wondered what the results would be if you ran a sort of closed loop experiment where any vehicle used in the production of a corn crop used 100% ethanol as the fuel; tillage....harvest....transport....all of it. How much, if any, would be left over? Could you provide the energy for the still as well?

I don't really have a bone to pick or a dog in the fight but I'm genuinely curious if the process is energy self-sufficient.
 
(quoted from post at 19:45:03 03/26/16) And I've often wondered why they power the ethanol plant with coal instead of ethanol.
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From the US Department of energy:

"If coal costs $130 per ton, to get the same amount of energy for the same cost, heating oil would have to cost $0.65 per gallon and propane would have to be $0.42 per gallon. Information from US Dept. of Energy."

For what it's worth the current price of coal is about 60 bucks a ton.

Ethanol produces 76,000 BTU per gallon and heating oil produces 130,000 BTU per gallon. The current cost to produce a gallon of ethanol is around a buck a gallon (that's with coal).

So it just doesn't pencil out to be cost effective.

Rick
 
All I can say.
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The ONLY reason ethanol is in gasoline is POLITICS,the Gov't forces the gasoline
companies to use it.If its a good idea no one has to force people/companies to use a product.
 
I wonder if a person could write a story stating that if they shut down coal production we wouldnt have fuel for our tractors lol. ;)
 

The big push for ethanol came when we were paying upwards of $5.00 a gallon for gas back almost 10 years ago. Am I the only one that remembers that? At the time it was sold as a way to lower the cost of gasoline, which was way up due to high oil prices. It never went away.
 
What is not factored into the cost of energy produced from coal is the ancillary medical costs from air pollution, a down side not shared by other energy sources.
 
Did you(in your infinite wisdom)ever consider the negative campaign against it waged by the petroleum industry? Maybe (or evidently) you are not smart enough to see through their bs. Ethanol was promoted in Mn as a way to get rid of an excess of corn which is one of the few grains that work around here. If you want to support the ragheads that's your business. Maybe you should let some of them move in with you. Personally I don't believe in fraternizing with the enemy, maybe you are less patriotic! Now that I think about it if you are such a "Traditional Farmer" you should be using horses and not tractors. What's up with that?
 
We can see who grows a lot of corn on this board...

Here's something funny - I run a couple 60's and a B on the farm still. The local co-operative here has ethanol free gasoline for farm delivery. Not even farmers want ethanol.

I do buy bio-diesel, though.
 
just remember these type of citiots are the same ones who wonder why you need all that land to raise cows when you can just go to the store and buy beef, sometimes you think there should be a intelligence test to leave the city
 
(quoted from post at 11:24:14 03/27/16) Did you(in your infinite wisdom)ever consider the negative campaign against it waged by the petroleum industry? Maybe (or evidently) you are not smart enough to see through their bs. Ethanol was promoted in Mn as a way to get rid of an excess of corn which is one of the few grains that work around here. If you want to support the ragheads that's your business. Maybe you should let some of them move in with you. Personally I don't believe in fraternizing with the enemy, maybe you are less patriotic! Now that I think about it if you are such a "Traditional Farmer" you should be using horses and not tractors. What's up with that?
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Buying fuel at a gas station owned by an American and staffed by Americans, transported by Americans, refined by Americans is fraternizing? That would be like claiming that an Officer or NCO shopping at the post exchange was fraternizing because some enlisted members spouse works there. Your comment alone makes me more determined than ever to use straight fuel products than ever! Do you understand that a number of members here have served? That a large number have kids or other relatives still serving or are themselves serving? So I guess that to be patriotic we have to ensure you have good grain prices? Get a grip! Bet you try your darnedest to avoid paying taxes by buying equipment? How patriotic is that? Does what you produce wind up being consumed by some nnalert? Oh my, that's fraternizing!

Rick
 
sometimes you think there should be a intelligence test to leave the city
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Have you ever noticed that the people who think that there should be an intelligence test for people "Like You" ironically are the same people who can't even type a proper sentence or spell anything right? Look at your post over on the 9N, 2N, 8N forum! Great example! "loose your hood?" I think the person who needs an intelligence test is the one who doesn't even know the difference between the words loose and lose! What a surprise! Hypocrite much?
 
(quoted from post at 17:12:26 03/27/16) Not to nit pick, but I burn coal and I pay $180.00 per ton at the breaker for anthracite.
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I looked up the current price of coal while I was posting that. Markets can and do vary. When was the last time you bought some? And was directly from the coal producer or through a place that just sells it? Lot of variables. Your price may not reflect what a power or ethanol plant buying in bulk pays. I don't know.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 16:51:41 03/27/16) Is the selling off of the by products of the ethanol figured in that?
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When you state that it cost X amount to produce something that should be bottom line and include any gain from selling a by product. I'm [u:98e84d2b4e]guessing[/u:98e84d2b4e] that is included in the current cost to produce ethanol.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 19:45:03 03/26/16) And I've often wondered why they power the ethanol plant with coal instead of ethanol.
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That is a very good question:

Coal is more applicable as used in stationary plants to produce heat, versus use in moble equipment. Conversely, ethanol is more valueable as a liquid fuel and can be used in our current fleet of gasoline powered equipment.

Per one post, the current price of coal is $60 per ton. That will buy you approximately 15,000,000 Btu's of process heat depending on the coal type and the process efficiency. It would take approximatly 200 gallons of ethanol to produce 15,000,000 Btu's of process heat. The ethanol is much more valuable sold as vehicle fuel.

Note: A ton of coal will produce many more than 200 gallons of ethanol. The above simply illustrates that coal is much more cost effective as process heat than using the saleable product.
 
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