I just don't get it...follow up on the 4600 vs 165

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Casey in Ky

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• Mar 16, 2016

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So I had emailed the guy with the MF 165, he responded, we exchanged several emails, last thing I asked was what transmission it had, multipower or not. No response, so I took it to have multipower and he just didn't want to tell me. So I marked it off the list.

Well, I've left 2 voicemail's and sent 3 text messages(John Deere salesman texted me first, and we've exchanged several other texts plus phone calls) asking for the prior owners contact information on the Ford 4600. Nothing. And he's reading my text messages. I told him my only concern on the tractor was cavitation and that I'd really like to talk to the previous owner. He first said no problem and that he'd send me the information. Nothing since then.

I'd hate to think that if i was selling something that I'd make that kind of p*ss poor effort to sell it...I'm about to give up.

 

495man

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• Mar 16, 2016

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Wouldn't buy either then!

 

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Casey in Ky

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• Mar 16, 2016

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I'm not going to...I'll keep looking.

 

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russ1

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• Mar 16, 2016

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The 165 is a much smoother running tractor. 4 cylinder. That 3 cylinder ford is rough.

 

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Nick m

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• Mar 16, 2016

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What's wrong with multi-power? I like mine, especially baling hay.

 

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newfarmer9

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• Mar 16, 2016

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Maybe the previous owner of the Ford didn't want his name and contact information being given out? That's one of the reason's why people trade equipment in, so they don't have to deal with trying to sell it themselves. Also not sure on privacy/spam laws where you are but it could be illegal for the salesman to give out customer info without consent.

If you are serious about either tractor call the sellers on the phone, arrange a day and time to go and take a look and talk/negotiate in person. To me texting/emailing is very impersonal and as a seller if someone emails or texts several times without coming to take a look they are not that serious.

 

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Bill VA

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• Mar 16, 2016

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Yea - my view is you're in the driver's seat. I'd pass on both.

I will say, however, IMHO the old MF and Ford tractors of that era are some of the best ever.

Good luck,
Bill

 

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sotxbill

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• Mar 16, 2016

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JD SALESMAN does not want you know what it gave the guy on trade...

4600 were not bad on cavitation.. the 4610 series was where the problem became more noticeable.... changing the combustion design created the sonic sound waves that really magnified the problem. It was several years before they ( all diesel engine makers) fully understood what was happening.. And sadly, good clean water with no minerals, and good antifreeze alone would do a lot for the tractor,,, sca additives would even cure the problem... Was several designs later before they almost eliminated the problem. till then, ford, john deere, international and others came out with the additives to control the cavitation problems.

 

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Ray

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• Mar 16, 2016

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That's the way it is everywhere. Some don't want to be bothered with a bunch of questions by tire kickers.

 

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JOCCO

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• Mar 16, 2016

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Casey I hate email/text for this stuff. If I can't call them forget it. I do not think the dealer has any obligation to give the prior owners info out!!!

 

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mtny

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• Mar 16, 2016

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Just my 2 cents , we had a 4600 when we still milked cows . Trouble free little tractor for the 7 or 8 years dad had it . I have a 4000 diesel now , they aren't the most comfortable but they sip fuel and are pretty reliable. Neighbors had a 165 that was beat when they bought it and they ran the snot out of it , seemed pretty tough too but I think the tranny went in the end.

 

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RandyB(MI)

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• Mar 16, 2016

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I've been accused of "overthinking" this stuff from friends of mine. My opinion is this....if a guy has something to sell and it is up to snuff with nothing to apologize about...he will talk your ear off... and even an honest individual with a piece with problems will price it accordingly and STILL talk your ear off. Just walk/run until you have the right "gut feeling" as usually yur gut is right.

 

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Adirondack case guy

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• Mar 16, 2016

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Most salesmen don't set at their desks waiting for e-mails to come on their computers.
They also are on the road makeing onsite calls to apraise trade-ins and make cold calls to talk to potental customers during the day.
Give them a chanch!!!!
Loren

 

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Casey in Ky

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• Mar 16, 2016

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The guy with Massey had it posted on Facebook. He preferred text messages, never answerd when I called, but responded immediately when I sent the first text.

The JD salesman, I talked to him on the phone first, then he started texting me from his personal cell #. Sends me additional pictures and the works. The 2nd time I talked to him on the phone I asked him about the prior owned info and he told me no problem, that he could get it for me. Then It was just like he disappeared. All I get is his voicemail when I call and no responses from my texts, even though it shows that he read them. Over the course of a week, I've called 6 times, talked to him twice, left 2 voicemails, and hung up on the voicemail twice. He's never called me back. He sent me 10 pictures plus 3 more additional texts, while I sent him 5 texts.

I know he's not obligated to give me prior owners info, and if he'd have said no to start with I would have been fine with it. Other dealers have done it both ways with me and I've been fine with it.

 

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Elton Fancher

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• Mar 17, 2016

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Nothing wrong with multi-power until it quits, then you have 6 speeds only and a tractor that will roll away on a hill.

 

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ss55

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• Mar 17, 2016

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I can understand asking to talk to the previous owner after taking a look at the tractor, test driving it and becoming serious about buying it. But to me, asking for that info before even looking at an item is a sure sign of a tire kicker (time waster). At best, I'd keep the info available for when you actually show up to look at the tractor (which is very unlikely to ever happen).

 

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Casey in Ky

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• Mar 17, 2016

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The tractor is 3 hours away...before I miss a days work, I want to be sure it's something I'll buy.

 

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W_B

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• Mar 17, 2016

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(quoted from post at 14:40:20 03/17/16) The tractor is 3 hours away...before I miss a days work, I want to be sure it's something I'll buy.

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I can appreciate that, we consider anything within an hour's drive to be "close by". Maybe you need to shop more locally or arrange a day to look in an area where there are lots of dealers and/or private sellers. Within an hour drive of where I'm at there are more dealers than I could possibly visit in a long day.

 

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Bobl1958

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• Mar 17, 2016

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Implement Dealer salesmen have had it pretty easy for the last few years. They couldn't get eqt fast enough to keep up with the demand. Most of them didn't have to be a salesman, just take orders.

That is going to come to a crashing halt and they will all of a sudden have to start working at it again, imho. I wouldn't buy a used piece unless I spoke with the previous owner. Too much capitol involved. I would suggest calling the Sales Manager, or Store Manager and see if you get anywhere if you are truly interested in the tractor. Good luck - Bob