To one of the Billy's in New York

Greg1959

Well-known Member
Billy, you sometimes post about how hard it is looking for a job in the NY area,

This might be a bad sign....

"There are plenty of reasons to be optimistic about the American economy. Unemployment is relatively low, the Federal Reserve feels good enough about things to raise interest rates, and gas is cheap. That?s not to say there still isn?t a lot of uncertainty out there ? the labor force participation rate is still giving analysts reason to worry, and the advent of large-scale automation is still something a lot of people aren?t accounting for, though it?s all but a certainty at this point.

Depending on how you look at it, you could really choose to feel good or bad about things; it?s all about perspective.

But one piece of good news from recent jobs reports is that some older workers, who had been having a lot of trouble finding their way back into the workforce following the great recession, are finally finding jobs. While that?s good news on the surface, there is an ugly underside to it that can?t be discounted.

A post from Zero Hedge was the first to point this out ? and it was subsequently covered by others like the Huffington Post ? but there seems to be an interesting current in the labor market: older workers are finding jobs, and younger workers are losing them. You can click over and check out the charts Zero Hedge has supplied to see the evidence for yourself, but it seems rather clear the labor force participation rate for younger workers has been on the decline while the opposite has been true for older demographics.

The real question here is this: why? After all, it seems that we should be seeing older workers drop out of the labor force in higher numbers, due to retirement or simple structural or frictional forces, while younger workers replace them. The reason is surprisingly simple, and a little disheartening.

The short and sweet of it is this: older workers don?t have any leverage. That means they will work for less, and won?t ask for a raise.

Compare that to the fresh-faced millennials pouring out of the country?s numerous colleges and universities, many with hefty levels of student loan debt, and all hungry to start climbing the corporate ladder. The key here is that the jobs older Americans are taking aren?t good jobs ? these aren?t the reliable, middle class-sustaining jobs that propelled many to relative prosperity in generations past. These are low-wage, low-skilled positions, by and large, and they may be jobs that people were unwilling to take until recently.

At least, that?s how some people are interpreting what we?re seeing.

Soaking all of this up, what?s one to make of it all? Well, it depends. You could see it as a bit of good news that older workers are at least finding jobs, albeit jobs that aren?t the type they need to prosper. Or, you can take it as really disheartening that the only reason a lot of these workers are getting hired, per this particular analysis, is because employers know they will stay in line, and not come asking for more money or a promotion. That sucks, but it seems that employers are aware they hold that advantage.

This is just another interesting nugget being mined from recent economic data, which also shows how the middle class is being torn in two. Recent data from Pew Research shows that while the middle class is indeed shrinking, making up a smaller portion of the American population for the first time in a very long time, people are finding their way into the upper echelons of society at a higher rate than they are falling behind. Either way, it?s clear the country is still rife with economic issues and uncertainty, though we?re still miles ahead of where we were only a few years ago.

The next big question is what will happen over the next decade or so, if we see this type of thing continue. Boomers are set to start retiring en masse, but the problem is that a lot of them can?t afford to do so. That can have some serious consequences for everyone else still in the labor force ? as those would-be retirees need work, and will be willing to take it at lower wages."

YT, Sorry to Copy and Paste such a long article but, for some of 50-something guys...it seemed important.

Thanks
Link to same thing I copied and pasted...
 
The first bad sign to finding a job in New York state is that its New York State. News report this week says we still have the highest tax burden of any state and the most regulations. Many companies have left because of these 2 things. State gets more abundant everyday and more regulations every day. Even a small business has to have a team of lawyers on staff all the time to stay out of trouble with regulations. Place where I work won't even put a sign with the company name on it out front because the town adds another $500 per year to his tax bill for having a sign.We are soon going to have the highest minimum wage in the country so there will be more lost jobs. Add all this to the fact we have an extremely corrupt government in Albany(some guys already convicted) and nothing is going to get better any time soon in this state. So anything someone comes up with nationally about the economy and jobs isn't going to apply to this state.
 
More than likely you're thinking of me. I posted some long drawn out rambling about my job hunt experience over on T.T. I would imagine that bunch of hot air has expired, given those posts get deleted eventually. Problem is I can think and type relatively quickly. I've made some longer ones in the past, but try not do that so much.

I'll have to read through this and what's in the link that you posted.

When I was pursuing employment, a few things stood out clearly, but many things related to this pursuit did not. You don't get responses, you rarely get any insight as to whether your resume was seen by someone who counts, or it was tossed aside. In short, its not a good scenario, more so when approaching 50. Eventually, I just had to stop speculating as to why I was not getting results, just keep an eye on the ads and follow through. I've worked a few different jobs unrelated to my field to keep busy, for many years I worked 2 specific jobs to keep busy to earn what I can. There's a lot more than that to it, as well as an opinion or 2, but out of all this, the best way I can put it, is things have certainly changed over the years. What was a no brainer as far as getting hired in my field, became a complicated mess by the modern world. One recruiter I worked with for years, just could not get it done for me, cripes I could never even get past their regional manager and get submitted. I had one disagreeable young industry recruiter tell me to my face I was un-presentable. I took exception to that and got submitted at no fee, to a company I know, with someone in a key position that I knew, that's been there for years, it went nowhere regardless.

None of that matters now, I finally got it done, replied to an ad and that no brainer thing happened, hired at the interview and I'm proud to say, so far I'm doing well there. Its a great fit for me and there is longevity in that market. On that note, I have to end this here, because I have to get to work LOL !!!! Y'all have a great day !!!
 
Just an observation.....
I'm on the high side of 70.
Often I'm surprised by a gray beard waiting on me in a retail establishment. I've wondered if this was just a job for him (her) to get out of the house. Never thought of it as a "best. I could do" job.
 

Greg1959, I don't know how old that link is, but the Fed is talking NEGATIVE interest rates, not raising them. :shock:
 
There two places in Terre Haute that can't find qualified people to fill positions and pass a drug test. Bubba even stayed up all night studying and he still couldn't pass the drug test.
 
It has been proven that raising the minimum wage stimulates the economy, it just takes a little time. Don't be so negative! MN has raised it's minimum wage and done other things to stimulate our economy, and it's working great, even with our iron range in a bad slump. WI, on the other hand is in the sewer, thanks to SW. They got what they voted for!
 
(quoted from post at 07:09:33 03/03/16) It has been proven that raising the minimum wage stimulates the economy, it just takes a little time. Don't be so negative! MN has raised it's minimum wage and done other things to stimulate our economy, and it's working great, even with our iron range in a bad slump. WI, on the other hand is in the sewer, thanks to SW. They got what they voted for!

Makes no difference what the min. wage is.If employment isn't there, neither is the wage!
As to NYS,it's not wages that have hurt business/employment, it's taxes.NY gov.on the news this AM raving about how he wants the min. wage brought up to $15.00 per hour.I just can't see how someone flipping burghers or working the counter at MickeyDs or BK is worth $15.00 an hour.
 
Taking more money out of someone"s pocket by force (mandate) doesn"t generate any new wealth. How is it that someone with no more investment in his job than a lunch bucket deserves $15?
 
As I was leaving New York State for the last time as a resident and moving permanently to Pennsylvania, I really wanted to have a bumper sticker that said "Will the last one to leave New York please turn out the lights?"
I tried out a few eastern states before settling here in 1980. Delaware was simply not interesting to me. Virginia was too highly taxed. Didn't care much for the excessive traffic enforcement in Maryland and Ohio. PA became home, and I have been here ever since. They let me keep more of the money that I earned.
As a side note, not long after I left Syracuse, the then mayor ended up in federal prison on corruption charges along with a few of his cronies.
 
Sure doesn't smell like a sewer in Wisconsin from any part of the state that I have visited. With our December unemployment of 4.3% and your rate of 3.5%, both well below the national average, it doesn't appear that either of us are in the sewer.
 
(quoted from post at 11:09:33 03/03/16) It has been proven that raising the minimum wage stimulates the economy, it just takes a little time. Don't be so negative! MN has raised it's minimum wage and done other things to stimulate our economy, and it's working great, even with our iron range in a bad slump. WI, on the other hand is in the sewer, thanks to SW. They got what they voted for!

In a growing economy that is arguable true, defining "a little time" being the kicker. In a stagnant or declining economy it can hurt. We don't have a growing economy, we have a failing economy in NY, but you have to look outside NYC to see that. Also consider the external_link Employer Mandate is scheduled to kick in this fall. Add that to a raise in the min wage and tell me it's going to "grow" anything but welfare roles.
 
What you talk about is why I got out of that stupid State back in 93 I have a lot of friends there that I think a lot of but I would never go back.
 
Yeah, and burgers are going to be $8 a copy shortly after. And burger flippers are going to loose their jobs at unpresidented rates. Basically will drive prices of everything else up. The do-gooders never figure it out. Money has to come from somewhere.
 
Nobody will pay 8 bucks for a McDonalds burger. Or they will lay-off workers and customers won't tolerate waiting for service . McDonalds will go out of business and you can eat at some better choices. No big loss.
 
Which is better, paying welfare to a person who works for current minimum wages or getting the company that is profiting off subsidised labor to actually pay their help enough to live on. I am not saying $15 is the magic number, but you sure as heck can't survive on the current minimum in most places.
 
As you can all guess I'm from New York . We arexthe highest taxed state n the nation. I believe most of our politicians are corrupt . I moved to Maryland for 6 years , ended up working in large cities . Luckily farm was still here when I got back and I'm working most of it . Hay paid the taxes last couple years. The minimum wage of 15 bucks is I think in new York city not the entire state , probably can't rent a garbage can on that . I guess another way to look at it is when a ceo of a company saves 10 million a year by moving a factory overseas , then gets a 20 million dollar raise . Research some the salaries of some people . Sports stars , news anchors , people that are famous for being famous . Are they worth that.I have 2 kids in college , my girl is almost done , worked the whole time . Makes the same as I did in my first job after we sold the cows , when my rent was 200 bucks , gas wasn't a dollar , my car cost 500 bucks . Not saying everyone should make the same , but look at it from all angles. Oh and we sold our cows in 1986.
As far as job market it can be tough . I have worked in the construction industry for 30 years , it is slow right now . I've had a good career , now a superintendent . The work ethic I learned on the farm was a huge factor , know guys that "rode along " , they ain't working . I guess I'm rambling but I will say that this 165 acres is my home and I guess it probably always will be.
 
(quoted from post at 19:57:42 03/03/16) Which is better, paying welfare to a person who works for current minimum wages or getting the company that is profiting off subsidised labor to actually pay their help enough to live on. I am not saying $15 is the magic number, but you sure as heck can't survive on the current minimum in most places.

If someone is working, they aren't on welfare. The working poor and the welfare class are 2 different groups. I don't mind helping someone who is trying, but I have a real problem paying someone to drink beer, sell drugs and watch porn all day.

Which is better, subsidizing low wage workers that have a job or forcing the company to pay more and having them close up and fire the worker so that he's now on welfare? I don't have a problem raising the min wage if an equal and corresponding tax cut is given tot he employer. But that idea never flies.
 
(quoted from post at 23:57:42 03/03/16) Which is better, paying welfare to a person who works for current minimum wages or getting the company that is profiting off subsidised labor to actually pay their help enough to live on. I am not saying $15 is the magic number, but you sure as heck can't survive on the current minimum in most places.

Who ever said min. wage was a survival wage? Was never intended to be that. Had it been around back in my day I never would have gotten those little jobs I started out on at $1.25 an hr. The store would have had an adult in that job and I'd have been rumbling around the farm looking to get into trouble. We already have obscenely high youth unemployment now, this will make it much worse.
 

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