Oliver won't kick over

Fatjay · Jan 22, 2016

Need to get the oliver out of the garage and in the back. Cranks and cranks, has spark, and even shot ether, but will not start, or even try. Ran perfectly when I parked it a few months back. Would like to avoid rebuilding the carb, as I'm a bit pressed for time with the storm rolling in tomorrow.

Any suggestions? It's a super 88.

El Toro · Jan 22, 2016

If you have another tractor that runs I would pull start the Oliver. Hal

rrlund · Jan 22, 2016

I use my 77 every day. I have to have the throttle at a dead idle,then pull the choke as soon as it fires. The I have to get my hand from the starter button to the throttle real quick and pull it down a notch or two. That's when it's real cold,30 degrees and above,it'll usually run without the choke or more throttle.

Don-Wi · Jan 22, 2016

I was going to say it sounds like it *could* be flooded, or atleast sounds like typical cold weather starting, where it seems every tractor has a different personality.

Dad tried starting his 165 the other day, and it was a no go. Been sitting more lately, and it's hard to get started after you loose the touch with it. I can hardly remember how to start it in the summer any more...

Donovan from Wisconsin

Josh in Pa · Jan 22, 2016

I bet the spark is weak. I had a super 55 that ran
good, but just plain would not start when it was cold.
It had the wrong coil, so it had an inline resistor, and
one in the coil as well. When the battery was
cranking the cold engine, spark was weak enough
that it wouldn't start. Still had spark, just not very
hot. Might be worth checking.
Josh

Fatjay · Jan 22, 2016

Unfortunately I can't try to pull start, has a loader on the front and backhoe on the back. Which means i can't even move it out of the way.

It has the resister by the coil, the battery sits on a tender, so it turns over quite fast, plenty enough to start.

I was thinking it flooded, I normally have hte gas off because it leaks, but I turned it on for a minute when I first went to start it. Dripped right out the carb. That was wednesday night. I turned hte fuel off, and put the ether inside the house to let it warm up. Thursday I went out and tried again. Full speed turning over, fuel off, and spraying a bit of ether in, with no luck.

Mike(NEOhio) · Jan 22, 2016

Gas dripping from the carb, think flooding.
You said "resistor by the coil." What about the wire from the starter solenoid that should run to the coil some way. It has to bypass the resistor. When you hit the key that wire sends full battery voltage to the coil for a hotter spark while it's cranking.

Fatjay · Jan 22, 2016

Yeah my first thought was flooding on wednesday. That's why I left the gas off when I tried to start it thursday. I may just drop the carb and clean it out at this point.

The coil pack has a resister, I don't know about another wire, I don't think it has one. Sounds like a good idea though. Would be easy to wire up to the starter button.

I pulled a plug and it had normal looking spark, my thought was the gas wasn't atomizing. I sprayed ether into the cylinder via the spark plug hole as well, with no luck. It could have easily condensed in the time I got around to cranking it though.

According to the weather man, snow is coming 6 hours earlier than expected, too.

Dave H (MI) · Jan 22, 2016

Any suggestions? Sure.

Get a Farmall.

01gentdc · Jan 22, 2016

is it inhaling ? and compressing ?? valves stuck open ? ice in the breather ?,,. as others have said , could be weak spark .

Married2Allis · Jan 22, 2016

Jay, tough spot with the snow coming (yes it is here earlier that expected :shock

. If not hitting on spray then I think weak spark is the issue. Sounds crazy but I've heated plugs in the oven before with success. New plugs may also help. Otherwise ... maybe ignition wires or coil wire cracked, dirty or grounding out?

Anonymous-0 · Jan 22, 2016

I'd pull the plugs and dry/heat them as someone suggested. While they are drying, check the points and clean and adjust or replace as necessary.

I would then crank the engine with the ignition off to clear the cylinders of excess gas and then take my oilcan and put two or three pumps of oil in each cylinder.

Put the plugs back in and try it, betcha it starts.

fixerupper · Jan 22, 2016

Run a jumper wire from the battery to the coil and see what happens. Something tells me the coil is getting its juice through the resistor while you are cranking it over. It will still have spark but not enough to start it in this cold weather if the coil is getting power only through the resistor. The resistor gives the coil 6 or 7 volts and that is all it needs to run but to start the engine the coil needs the extra oomph from 12 volts to overcome the voltage lost from the starter draw. It should be shunting 12 volts to the coil automatically when you hit the starter but a wire or switch might be bad and the shunting isn't happening. Give it a try. This still might not be the problem but the jumper wire is worth a try.

kevinstuff · Jan 22, 2016

Things that caused a no start on some of my cars back in the day, had a Buick
425 it had spark , but also had a cracked coil tower arching over to fuel line, so
a new coil fixed that, had newer Buick electronic Ignition burned hole right
Thru rotor , a dodge that somehow over night the rotor stripted out and one could
Freely spin it on distributor , Advance weights rusted up or missing springs,
Cracked distributor caps , bad plug wires , crank it over in the dark and you
Might get a light show

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