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A little off track but Toyota is going full tilt in Califonia with their version of transit. they are going to install fill stations all over the state. Huge bucks to put them in but after that I guess they work ok. It is STILL not as cheep as gasoline. I just cannot get over how all of the bunny huggers think it is magic. It takes one heck of a lot of coal, nat gas, nuke, what ever to break that water down to basics. Sounds like that ethanol stuff to me. Sorry corn farmers but it is just not as much power as gasoline. Tail pipe is cleaner but your mileage goes down. Couple of neighbor farms up where my folks are raise corn and laugh every check they get.
 
Ethanol supporters have never told you that there is as much power as gasoline. Yes, mileage is lower, but you have to know the math, between eth price and results. If we find eth at least 40 cents under gas, it goes into our tank.
 
(quoted from post at 14:08:10 01/11/16) A little off track but Toyota is going full tilt in Califonia with their version of transit. they are going to install fill stations all over the state. Huge bucks to put them in but after that I guess they work ok. It is STILL not as cheep as gasoline. I just cannot get over how all of the bunny huggers think it is magic. It takes one heck of a lot of coal, nat gas, nuke, what ever to break that water down to basics. Sounds like that ethanol stuff to me. Sorry corn farmers but it is just not as much power as gasoline. Tail pipe is cleaner but your mileage goes down. Couple of neighbor farms up where my folks are raise corn and laugh every check they get.
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Take a away the subsidizes from your pocket book and the hydrogen project in California would disappear overnight.
 
Yes, B&D, but the crooks pushing the ethanol wouldn't get rich. Just like the crooks pushing global warming agenda. Can anyone say Al Gore
without feeling like they have been gored?
 
I have been told the power required to crack hydrogen is more than you would use by running on gas. Then there is a problem with the tanks breaking down over long term. apparently the hydrogen break down the structure in the tanks. So hydrogen is not energy efficient currently although it is clean other than the source of the power to make it.

One of the epa goals is to move pollution away from the cities, not eliminate it. So electric and hydrogen can potentially do this pending on where the power generation plants are located and types of plants. Here our main source is coal and its located where it pollutes our city. Poor choice of location of the coal plant due to it needing a cooling lake. This plant is the major source of pollution in San Antonio.
 
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Why bother unless there is a surplus of cheap hydrogen?
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Hydrogen is produced with electrolysis. Anyone can do it.
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I suppose you have a Giga Watt source of cheap reliable electrical power?
 
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(quoted from post at 11:20:25 01/12/16)
(quoted from post at 09:36:01 01/11/16)
Why bother unless there is a surplus of cheap hydrogen?
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Hydrogen is produced with electrolysis. Anyone can do it.
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I suppose you have a Giga Watt source of cheap reliable electrical power?
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The United States produces nine million metric tons of hydrogen each year. It's not out of the question to use some of it to power fuel cell automobiles. Below is some information on the use of hydrogen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5b6SthDbsE

Below is some information on hydrogen safety.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJBzEYduKK8

Here's a little more information on hydrogen production.

http://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/hydrogen_basics.html
 

Hydrogen produced from natural gas is no bargain or "environmental saving".
Burning fossil fuel to make hydrogen is no gain either.
Have you worked with hydrogen? Embrittlement of metal is a fatigue and failure . As for an explosion hazard hydrogen makes gasoline benign by comparison .
 
(quoted from post at 09:57:51 01/12/16)
(quoted from post at 11:20:25 01/12/16)
(quoted from post at 09:36:01 01/11/16)
Why bother unless there is a surplus of cheap hydrogen?
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Hydrogen is produced with electrolysis. Anyone can do it.
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I suppose you have a Giga Watt source of cheap reliable electrical power?
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It can be done with a 12 volt battery. I'm not saying it would produce enough to power a farm tractor, but the concept is there.
 
(quoted from post at 19:08:10 01/11/16) Sounds like that ethanol stuff to me. Sorry corn farmers but it is just not as much power as gasoline. Tail pipe is cleaner but your mileage goes down. Couple of neighbor farms up where my folks are raise corn and laugh every check they get.
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Ethanol is the cheapest octane booster available now. Won't see E10 going away anytime soon.
 
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