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Steve@Advance
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Charlie, impossible to tell.
Some good parts can come from China, most are junk knock offs.
I went through 3 aftermarket water pumps for a Silverado, all made in China. Finally paid the price for a Delco brand, it too was made in China. But it was the only one that held up!
Some good parts can come from China, most are junk knock offs.
I went through 3 aftermarket water pumps for a Silverado, all made in China. Finally paid the price for a Delco brand, it too was made in China. But it was the only one that held up!
Oregon Tractor Jack
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Hard to say where parts come from anymore. You never know if they were made in China or India. There are places that still actually rebuild clutches. There is one in Portland, OR if you are close. The name is Ott Friction. I think I spelled it right. I had a clutch rebuilt by them when I couldn't find a reasonable reman.
Goose
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Who knows where anything is actually made anymore?
Back in the days when I had my auto body shop, I had occasion to replace the right fender on an Olds Ciera. It wasn't an insurance job, and the customer was an old friend who wanted it done as cheap as possible, so I used an aftermarket fender, made in Taiwan. The fender had a manufacturing flaw that wasn't visible after it was installed.
Several months later, be pure coincidence, I had to replace the right fender on another Olds Ciera. This was an insurance job, so I used an OEM fender. Guess what? Same exact flaw. And GM was preaching how much better their OEM replacement sheet metal was than aftermarket.
I was doing a lot of Chevy pickups back then, and I routinely used aftermarket fenders made in Taiwan. I once got a pair of the same fenders tagged, "Made in Italy".
Interesting.
Back in the days when I had my auto body shop, I had occasion to replace the right fender on an Olds Ciera. It wasn't an insurance job, and the customer was an old friend who wanted it done as cheap as possible, so I used an aftermarket fender, made in Taiwan. The fender had a manufacturing flaw that wasn't visible after it was installed.
Several months later, be pure coincidence, I had to replace the right fender on another Olds Ciera. This was an insurance job, so I used an OEM fender. Guess what? Same exact flaw. And GM was preaching how much better their OEM replacement sheet metal was than aftermarket.
I was doing a lot of Chevy pickups back then, and I routinely used aftermarket fenders made in Taiwan. I once got a pair of the same fenders tagged, "Made in Italy".
Interesting.
I went to a local auto parts store to buy a lower radiator hose for my 8n. They didn't have one but would have it the next day. Asked them how much. $32.00. Like blew me away. Ordered one on Ebay less than $10.00 that im sure probably came from china. Bought a tune up kit from them for me 8n. Made in china. Twice as much as they are on ebay. Almost everything is made in china or india. I do think parts from india, china are probably a little less quality than if they were made here. Only reason I say that is because of the metals they use. People over there don't get paid much according to our standard but im sure there hardworking people in a different culture than we are. I wished it weren't that away but I buy all my parts on ebay and most of it is made overseas and so far I have been satisfied of what I got. So if your part you bought fits okay and works like it should then you will be satisfied. just my 3 cents worth.
I'd say it depends on how heavily your livelihood depends on that tractor. If you need it to survive, don't take chances. Otherwise...
To be honest, for all the talk about cheap Chinese junk parts, I've yet to have a part fail on me unexpectedly... Whether it's for a car, truck, or tractor. I honestly can't think of ANY "junk" that I've been sorry about purchasing. Not denying other's can - but I personally haven't.
I'm sure it'll happen some day, but the bottom line is I've saved a LOT of money over the years on chinese "junk".
If I were a betting man, I'd bet your clutch is going to be just fine.
Don't get me wrong, I know the quality standards aren't the same, but.. A.) They're getting better overall, and B.) I don't know that it really matters in most cases, when you really get down to it. Even if that clutch were sub-par, you're only paying half the price for it, if it's in a tractor you're not using 8 hours a day, you'll probably never find out.
Obviously not a popular opinion, and some will take offense to it, but I gotta call it as I see it. Yeah, I'd MUCH rather see manufacturing come back to this country, but it's unrealistic to think americans should pay twice as much for american parts out of patriotism. There's a point where that gets foolish. And I'd say paying twice as much crosses that line.
To be honest, for all the talk about cheap Chinese junk parts, I've yet to have a part fail on me unexpectedly... Whether it's for a car, truck, or tractor. I honestly can't think of ANY "junk" that I've been sorry about purchasing. Not denying other's can - but I personally haven't.
I'm sure it'll happen some day, but the bottom line is I've saved a LOT of money over the years on chinese "junk".
If I were a betting man, I'd bet your clutch is going to be just fine.
Don't get me wrong, I know the quality standards aren't the same, but.. A.) They're getting better overall, and B.) I don't know that it really matters in most cases, when you really get down to it. Even if that clutch were sub-par, you're only paying half the price for it, if it's in a tractor you're not using 8 hours a day, you'll probably never find out.
Obviously not a popular opinion, and some will take offense to it, but I gotta call it as I see it. Yeah, I'd MUCH rather see manufacturing come back to this country, but it's unrealistic to think americans should pay twice as much for american parts out of patriotism. There's a point where that gets foolish. And I'd say paying twice as much crosses that line.
Tractorcedric
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I am doing a test of sorts now. Jeep needed right rear wheel bearing at 105,000. So I thought it would be best to replace both of them. NAPA had the good ones for $275 and the China ones for $240 each. Dealer wanted $303 each. Found a deal on ebay for a pair of them in the mailbox for $76. Jeep has been on several long trips and the hubs look just exactly like the OEM ones. Yet to be seen if they go 105,000. Boxes said Made in China just like the ones at NAPA.
tomstractorsandtoys
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China could make good parts but companies went there to save money so China just makes it cheaper and cheaper.The lower labor cost help but only so much so the materials have to be cheaper and cheaper. Tom
Robert Major
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Hi if it looks like cheap poor made junk compared to the original don't put it in would be my thought. You might be seeing it again fairly quick,You are probably going to find it don't look any different to original though. Most OEM parts come from somewhere like china Mexico or some other European country. JD genuine bearings come from Slovakia or some place like it in europe, that we get in Canada. Good brand bearings that you would think are made in America, come stamped China or Taiwan. some of the JD bearings are a huge price and you can get a better bearing for half the money in my local bearing house!.
Been there done that with $300 of failed JD bearings on a baler roll a customer brought in. They looked just the same as any other $10 bearing cut up all over my shop floor, when they failed due to no grease after 2 weeks. Told the guy to go to the bearing house he was suprised what he saved and the bearings are still in it. He then tells me he had another set in another roll do exactly the same thing as this one with genuine JD bearings but his neighbor changed them for him when he used the baler and it went wrong, i bet thats got $150 of bearings in it to!.
Regards Robert
Been there done that with $300 of failed JD bearings on a baler roll a customer brought in. They looked just the same as any other $10 bearing cut up all over my shop floor, when they failed due to no grease after 2 weeks. Told the guy to go to the bearing house he was suprised what he saved and the bearings are still in it. He then tells me he had another set in another roll do exactly the same thing as this one with genuine JD bearings but his neighbor changed them for him when he used the baler and it went wrong, i bet thats got $150 of bearings in it to!.
Regards Robert
That's a tough question. I was speaking with a John Deere dealership the other day about Gators. Salesman told me some Gators have a Chinese made engine in them, but not to be concerned because they are built to John Deere specifications. So I guess it depends how, where, or who from, you are buying the parts....
Nathan (SD)
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I went to get a upper ball joint for my old pickup truck. The parts store actually had 2 different brands on hand. I said get them both out so we can compare. One was $40, the other was $60. The cheap plastic bag they were sealed in was identical size and the crimp pattern from the sealing machine was identical on both bags. I am pretty sure one plant in China is making them for everybody.
As Nathan mentioned, they may be same. Just because one is more $$ and came from the dealer does not mean it isn't sourced from the same place, just a different box. I have seen this many times, and gotten bit as well by paying more for the same china part I could have bought for half the price. I learned the hard way years ago on replacing a clutch to use the best parts you can find, and replace everything, or you may be back in it shortly like I was. I got cheap and only replaced the plate, and within a year I was dropping the transmission to replace a throwout bearing. That time I replaced everything before putting the trans back in, and was the last time I had to go back in that truck. A couple years ago I replaced a timing belt on a car, and thought I was getting a good quality belt by buying Gates. Found out that Gates belts are now sourced to China or Mexico (do not recall now which it was, but it did not hold up). And price is not a good indicator of quality now. It is often just an indicator of profit.
My experiences with China parts have been bad, cheaper bearings will have less balls or rollers in them spaced out to make it work but putting more stress on less surface, and with a poor part to go with it. I think Deere has been jobbing a lot of parts out to China, I know that the knotter drive wheels on the balers only last about 2 years of average work, less if your doing more, we had a new Deere baler bill hook fail the first month of use and we change the drive wheels every year, we never had that problem in the past, I'm talking about the cam lobe that works the wiper arm, the lobe just wears off quick.. China manufacturing could care less about quality and longevity,,they are supplying cheap parts to a world market that cares more about profit than performance.
old
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Another reason to shop around a lot before buying parts. Depending on where you are a lot of brake/clutch shops can and will rebuild your old one for a lot less. Also a lot of parts stores like O'Reilly's and NAPA can get a clutch for a tractor and many have a lot better warranty
jimg.allentown
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China has every bit as much capability to make a quality product as any other country. After all, they built and supported an infrastructure to sustain a population of over 1 BILLION people. That takes a lot of buildings, trains, trucks, and roads. They have also had 10,000 years to perfect their techniques.
If vendors order and specify cheap junk, they will get cheap junk. If they specify and order quality, I would think that they would receive that as well.
China has plenty of their own manufacturing capability as well as their own space program, nuclear weapons, and more. As such, they are not necessarily some poor third world country.
If vendors order and specify cheap junk, they will get cheap junk. If they specify and order quality, I would think that they would receive that as well.
China has plenty of their own manufacturing capability as well as their own space program, nuclear weapons, and more. As such, they are not necessarily some poor third world country.
JIMG You stated the exact fact. I go over to China about twice a year and import several parts from there. SEVERAL years ago I was in a foundry tour with a group , they made cast iron plumbing fittings. The plant manager held elbow , he said domestic production, held up another said normal export, held up another one usa export. When one examined the fittings you could see more metal in the first two. My point is just as you stated they make and produce just exactly what the market wants. I am not defending them but just fact , Americans want a cheap whatever and they find a way to make it. I hear all these folks talking about how cheap their labor is there and most have never been over there. What the inside of their plants look like and what the new media wants you to think are often quite different.
Before I retired we were outsourcing electronic assemblies from China. The conclusion I came to is China can make good parts if that is what the U.S. Company wants. We insisted the China company make the assemblies to the same specifications and processes we used in the U.S.; and we tested for that.
My point is it depends on if the ordering company insists on using the same U.S. specifications and processes to make the part. If they don't the result may be different.
So how do you know if you're getting a good part. I don't know all the answers but I have to believe the integrity of the company you're buying from will have a lot to do with it.
A couple years ago I was replacing the wheel bearings on a running gear. The auto parts store offered me bearings at three different price points. They were also represented as different levels of quality. I was selling the running gear but I still bought the better bearing.
Paul
My point is it depends on if the ordering company insists on using the same U.S. specifications and processes to make the part. If they don't the result may be different.
So how do you know if you're getting a good part. I don't know all the answers but I have to believe the integrity of the company you're buying from will have a lot to do with it.
A couple years ago I was replacing the wheel bearings on a running gear. The auto parts store offered me bearings at three different price points. They were also represented as different levels of quality. I was selling the running gear but I still bought the better bearing.
Paul
Pair-a-dice farm
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The last bearings that I got for my JD round baler had "Made in China" stamped on the box. I went to a local bearing supply and bout the same size bearing made in USA for about the same price. I wouldn't worry too much about the quality. I've bought several items lately that the Chinese made is better than USA. The USA brand ain't what it used to be.
CenTex Farmall
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I agree with other posts that the Chinese are capable of building as good a part *if* the order is spec'd to a quality point rather than a price point. So many vendors over here want a certain widget that will cost no more than "x"... they order junk and get junk and then sell junk and get a bad reputation. I have a few Chinese made tools that are rock solid. I still buy American made whenever I can though.
Another thing to keep in mind is that Deere and other legacy companies have to factor in retirement benefits and health care costs into the price.
Another thing to keep in mind is that Deere and other legacy companies have to factor in retirement benefits and health care costs into the price.
Andy Martin
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Everybody is reading this on a computer made in China, and looking at a monitor made in China. Their space program is successful. Years ago we outsourced some small castings we couldn't get from our normal foundry in the US. The Chinese offered a far superior casting that looked like a machined part. The part number was clearly cast in crisp numbers. The USA equivalent had what looked like scratched in numbers which were hard to read. A real eye opener to us. But they won't supply a Ming Dynasty vase for Melmac prices.
mjsnodgrass
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I believe OTT's Friction closed a while back. they did good work, and were fair with their prices.
I was at our Case/International dealer today to get a few little parts. I asked the parts man where they get their clutch kits. He said it depends where they order them, could be Lucas, Borg-Warner or other (apparently not from Case/IH). He said they are all imported and may come from Germany, Italy, China, Japan, or some other country.So it may well be that the $230 kit comes from the same place as their $400 kit. I recently got a couple small sleeves that cost $20.65 each. Later I saw them at a site online for $7.00. I told him about that, and added, "You all treat me so nice I will not return them." He responded, "The Internet is going to put us all out of business, then who will you call?"
Thank you to all of you who took the effort to give your advice to my question. I appreciate it very much.
Thank you to all of you who took the effort to give your advice to my question. I appreciate it very much.
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