USDA costs and returns report

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8850dave

Member

• Jan 7, 2016

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I received this huge form to be filled out and I never have seen such wanting to know all my income farm or not and expenses about 20 pages this is insane !!!

 

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Dick2

Well-known Member

• Jan 7, 2016

• #1

I expect most people will lie about everything on the form, but some government workers are getting paid to do that work whether it is meaningful or not.

 

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jeffcat

Well-known Member

• Jan 7, 2016

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Don't forget your Doctors forms that ask if you have guns in the house.

 

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coshoo

Well-known Member

• Jan 7, 2016

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Just my humble opinion, but if you are enrolled in any guvment ag programs, you are obligated to fill it out accurately, so they can evaluate how the programs are working, and how many tax dollars they should wring out of the rest of us, for your benefit.

If you're in no guvment programs, then write "none of your &%^# business" across the form and send it in.

Cue the slings and arrows.

 

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rrlund

Well-known Member

• Jan 7, 2016

• #1

As long as it's not a census I don't think it's required by law. Unless it's something they require for you to participate in FSA programs,I don't know,I don't participate anymore. I quit filling out their forms,they kept calling me wanting info. I told them in no uncertain terms both on the phone and in writing right across their forms,that I wasn't answering any more of their questions. The mailings and phone calls finally stopped.

 

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Anonymous-0

Well-known Member

• Jan 7, 2016

• #1

It's really amazing how this country works with paperwork 'required' by government agencies. Think about what all this costs:
-Some high-dollar PhD people wrote all of it, may have taken years of effort.
-All the employees calculating all the numbers out of it... probably also have data entry employees.
-All the trees cut down (I guess good for economy? Side benefit for forestry?)
-Lawyers who all spent time proof-reading and making sure it is 'right'.
-Mail service with oversize packages.

All for info that may not be filled out accurately or thrown away.

-My two cents.

 

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CenTex Farmall

Well-known Member

• Jan 7, 2016

• #1

I've heard about this but haven't seen it yet. To me "gun" is synonymous with artillery or naval weapons, of which I currently don't have any.

 

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jr1983

Member

• Jan 7, 2016

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If I remember correctly from my days in artillery a gun is a 4" or larger bore unless its belt fed. Ill check on this because anything that any of us would have unless you're an FFL is going to be considered a rifle or side arm and they don't ask about that lol.

 

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DoubleR

Well-known Member

Location

Mid Mi

• Jan 7, 2016

• #1

They will keep sending you one if you don't fill it out the first time. Then they will start calling you to fill it out.
I don't even know why they send me one. I have never collected any money from them or any other Federal Ag related program. I do own some property I brought almost 30 years ago that I believe the guy farming it must have had it in some kind of Federal program at one time or another.

 

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oldtanker

Well-known Member

• Jan 7, 2016

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Well there is the definition, civilian type that classifies any bullet thrower as a gun and then the military definition that makes a 120MM mortar, 105MM or larger tank cannon and in general anything that throws a bullet bigger than 4" as a gun.

As far as the USDA forms? Yea, if you are on any programs then they need to be filled out correctly. If you take absolutely nothing from the government roll it up, send it back and tell them where to put it. Keep in mind that government employees will be opening it so the instructions of where to put it should be PRINTED in clear simple language.

Rick

 

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Ian Beale

Member

• Jan 7, 2016

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Joshua

Jerry Pournelle in the columns he used to write for Byte magazine used to periodically marvel at the amount spent by business on personal computers and the lack of any signs of productivity gain therefrom. One conclusion was that they let everyone become a form designer.

I've heard of a hospital where patient admission paperwork went from 4 pages to 24 pages - while actually collecting less information.

And sometimes quiet rebellions work!

 

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GeneMO

Well-known Member

Location

Pilot Grove, Mo.

• Jan 7, 2016

• #1

Write them a note as follows:

Dear folks at USDA,

Please dont send Jimmy ( Name) any more papers. Jimmy fell off the silo on his head and is retarded now. Dont call or write or send him no more stuff. Every time we get something in the mail with his name on it, he thinks he won the Publishers Clearing house prize and it takes us a week to calm him down. Last time he completely destroyed the inside of the house looking for "his dollars" that he claims we hid from him.

Thanks again, and please leave us alone!

Yer frends.


XXXXXXXX

 

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paul

Well-known Member

• Jan 7, 2016

• #1

Funny.

Actually they mostly use that info to work out future programs for disadvantaged, beginning farmer, small town grants, and the like, not really
associated with the farm program we currently have.

There is a 4-6 page survey that comes once in a while that makes some sense I guess.

That big one, sheez it doesn't really relate to farming hardly, way too many questions to ever get honest answers on it. That is just govt run
amuck.

Paul

 

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IaGary

Well-known Member

• Jan 7, 2016

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This long survey that just came out is not mandatory.

Filed mine already.

Gary

 

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Ted in NE-OH

Well-known Member

• Jan 7, 2016

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Fill it out and leave blank anything you think they ought not know

 

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RGMartin

Well-known Member

• Jan 7, 2016

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(quoted from post at 17:57:52 01/07/16) This long survey that just came out is not mandatory.

Filed mine already.

Gary

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Was this the USDA "Ag Counts" survey? I set mine aside last year, forgot about it.... Was paid a visit by a .GOV employee offering to help me fill it out.

 

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Alan K

Well-known Member

• Jan 7, 2016

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Arent the ones you wear on your hip just a "side arm"? lol. I think that is what my dad used to say.

 

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Kent Petersen

Well-known Member

• Jan 7, 2016

• #1

i have not given them any info for about 20 years the quite asking

 

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Pair-a-dice farm

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• Jan 7, 2016

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(quoted from post at 18:52:58 01/07/16)

(quoted from post at 17:57:52 01/07/16) This long survey that just came out is not mandatory.

Filed mine already.

Gary

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Was this the USDA "Ag Counts" survey? I set mine aside last year, forgot about it.... Was paid a visit by a .GOV employee offering to help me fill it out.

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That happened to me a few years ago too. I was on the phone when he got here and I made him stand on the front porch on a very cold evening while I finished the call. I then stood on the porch with him as he filled it out. Yes I can be an azz. The last one I got I wrote on it that none of it applied to me and I haven't got one since.