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1948CaseVAI
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I understand the problems with nafta, but this is different. What is the need that you see to label Canadian vs. US beef? Would you not want to eat Canadian beef? Why not? As the other poster stated, beef from other countries will still have to be labelled.
The way I have seen labeling from before is very few items actually were labeled so you could know where it came from. It always says packaged for so and so who had a USA name and address.
I DO think ALL items and especially food should be clearly labeled as to where it came from !
I DO think ALL items and especially food should be clearly labeled as to where it came from !
Adirondack case guy
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I think you should be far more worried about wackos in this country than mad cow disease in Canada.
Loren, the Acg.
Loren, the Acg.
Robert Major
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Hi Brandon j And there my friend is the whole problem "Protectionist racket" Whats good for The USA and Don't care about anybody else,even alough this was hurting your own packing industry !. The whole North american meat industry should work together as we are so close with borders. How much would you guys yell and scream if Canada decided to import nothing from the U.S for some petty stupid reason like a label basically closing the trade down. Not trying to start a hate war or political war Just make a valid point, so please don't start one, That whole statement you made sums it up. reply from A Canadian farmer that runs Hog barns. regards Robert
I see very little difference in Canadian beef and US beef. I see a MAJOR difference in US beef and Mexico beef, then you throw in Argentine, Brazilian meat, and the rest... There is a HUGE difference in beef quality!!!
I'm not sure how you would ever label Canadian beef. Is it Canadian because it was born there, fed there slaughtered there? I know LOTS of feeders in Nebraska that were feeding Canadian calves, because they were CHEAP. We all have heard that anything 20 months or younger poses NO threat for mad cow. (not that there has ever been a connection to human illness) so why bother with COOL. Just make sure that the consumer is educated on how the meat grading system works, and let the best beef set the prices.
Personally, I don't know how the American public can stand any beef that I have seen sold in larger grocery stores. AND I DANG SURE CAN'T STAND a steak from a franchise outfit. Guess I am spoiled with what I raise.
I'm not sure how you would ever label Canadian beef. Is it Canadian because it was born there, fed there slaughtered there? I know LOTS of feeders in Nebraska that were feeding Canadian calves, because they were CHEAP. We all have heard that anything 20 months or younger poses NO threat for mad cow. (not that there has ever been a connection to human illness) so why bother with COOL. Just make sure that the consumer is educated on how the meat grading system works, and let the best beef set the prices.
Personally, I don't know how the American public can stand any beef that I have seen sold in larger grocery stores. AND I DANG SURE CAN'T STAND a steak from a franchise outfit. Guess I am spoiled with what I raise.
Kent Petersen
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What makes me dam mad is that was a mandate by some world grope and or fool law makers caved in like a house of cards
We don't eat Beef to expensive . My nephew has about 200 head of angus but I still think beef is just to high compared to pork and poultry. We also harvested two nice white tails we do like venison. and I have no problem with Canadian pork. thank you very much. Randy almost 10.00 dollars a pound are you kidding
tomstractorsandtoys
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I think it is sad that out gov. is bowing to the demands of the big packers and other countries. I like to know where my food is coming from. I have no problem with beef,pork or chicken from Canada and would consider it the same as ours. I do have a problem with Mexico and other countries that do not have the same standards we have and would feed stuff that we do not use or even allow in some cases. I prefer to buy a USA product that helps our people not others. Tom
Kent, I agree with you. Why should the US give a dam about some WTO's ruling that we would be blocking imports from other countries including poor Canada if we used COOL to help our consumers decide what food they would want to buy. Let me assure you that I am opposed to government interference in my business as anyone could be and still be rational but I am also tired of countries, including Canada, that are always crying foul when they find it difficult to compete with the US.
The stuff you are buying from overseas is all grass fed, and it tastes like it. Most of the stuff from US and Canada still has some corn in it, and it tastes like it. I am not upset about the law being changed as long as they change it for everything, not just beef. The hills we have to climb in the next few years may destroy every farmers market in the US, thank you obumma. We are now experiencing the beginning. I invite you to read up on the dozens or hundreds of new rules the farmers market vendors will have to knuckle under to. A lot of us who are following today's rules will simply stop marketing products. Sorry about ranting.
You can see it however you like. As an American I should have the right to know where my food is coming from. And if it hurts farmers in other countries that is not of any concern to US, only that country and their farmers. Just the bottom line. Do we share a border? Sure! Have we always been on friendly terms? Not at all. The last really big issue was Canada harboring draft dodgers during US combat in Viet Nam instead of turning them back at the border so they could be inducted or tried under US law. Now don't get me wrong. I don't think we should have been in Viet Nam. But that doesn't mean that I think someone should run and hide nor that an allegedly friendly country should harbor those fleeing justice.
Rick
The recent law change had to do with a ruling by the WTO when Canada and Mexico cried about loosing sales. So I have a simple solution. Ban the import of beef from Canada and Mexico! Then they will have something to really gripe about.
And I'm not trying to be mean to our Canadian neighbors. But by what right do they or anyone else have to tell us what to do inside our own borders? How far does this go before we stop being the USA and starts being the WUSS (World United Socialistic States)? I don't expect any nation to give up it's nationality or pride to cave into this one world idea. To me it's just another way to try to conquer the world and have world domination.
Rick
Robert Major
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Hi Mike
I seem to remember when BSE hit France they wrote the book on shoot shovel and shut up, Rumor has been round for years that some U.S
producers have read that book, maybe some Canadians did to I don't know. Also I believe I heard at one point some of the cattle that had BSE
originated in the states and were being fed in feed lots up here in Canada, when they got found.
I could certainly see human nature taking evasive action if a guy thought he had an animal on his farm that was going to bring the U.S beef market
down on it's knees, in a hurry. I don't know now but Canada used to have way better tractability on it's animals than the U.S. I know our Hog
tractability is getting pretty serious, even down to 6 barns 14 ft apart in our yard all have to have a barn and location number each for shipping, in
case there is a problem, and the paper work it getting to be a night mare.
Regards Robert
I seem to remember when BSE hit France they wrote the book on shoot shovel and shut up, Rumor has been round for years that some U.S
producers have read that book, maybe some Canadians did to I don't know. Also I believe I heard at one point some of the cattle that had BSE
originated in the states and were being fed in feed lots up here in Canada, when they got found.
I could certainly see human nature taking evasive action if a guy thought he had an animal on his farm that was going to bring the U.S beef market
down on it's knees, in a hurry. I don't know now but Canada used to have way better tractability on it's animals than the U.S. I know our Hog
tractability is getting pretty serious, even down to 6 barns 14 ft apart in our yard all have to have a barn and location number each for shipping, in
case there is a problem, and the paper work it getting to be a night mare.
Regards Robert
Stupid law, Our own politicians selling out the American consumer. I used to build pallets and ship them under a piece of machinery to South America, them dummies passed a law that my U.S. made pallet had to be heat treated to kill bugs when shipped to Guatamala, What? Now they do something like this. I am glad I raise my own meat and have a big garden. The fleecing of the the American public by our own elected officials. Sad. JBDyer
If you are referring to the COOL law that was passed based on consumer demand and a good push from US farmers after the bad dog/cat food thing with China. And just how is it that Americans, wanting to buy American produced foods selling out anyone? The big companies like Kraft fought that tooth and nail. They wanted to buy cheaper import foods to using in their products.
Rick
This is primarily the reason I bought a place in the country and can now raise my own meat. It's been a year and I can't buy chicken or pork from the store. Homegrown is so much better. Friend paid me in beef for letting her graze cows on my pasture this summer. Worked out twofold, I didn't have to mow anything and filled the freezer with 1/4 beef. Hoping to buy some calves myself come spring.
US keeps selling out to private corporate interests at the expense of it's people. Eventually our standard of living will be brought down to the lowest common denominator.
US keeps selling out to private corporate interests at the expense of it's people. Eventually our standard of living will be brought down to the lowest common denominator.
Russ from MN
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Another example of big business buying the politicians! Think about it when you vote!
roaddevil49
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Who cried foul in the soft wood lumber battle in the '80s&'90s when WHO consistantly ruled in favour of the U S against Canada.
Booo hooo. Cry me a fricken river. This was never anything more than protectionism by any other name. Something you guys are really good at... and when the shoe is on the other foot, cry foul louder than anyone else. The US has been working for 40 years to undermine and destroy Canada's domestic supply management system but that was never a problem because that was to the advantage of the US.
No different than the 20% countervailing duty recently imposed on Eastern Canadian paper because of a so-called subsidized electricity rate for our paper mills. Funny how that wasn't a problem three years ago when that mill was restarted following the bankruptcy of the American company that owned it... but now that the exchange rate has gone from par to 70 cents.... now we better get a duty on Canadian product.
Yeah, cry me that river. You guys only want 'free' trade when you can dump your stuff on everyone else. When the shoe is on the other foot, close the border immediately.
Rod
No different than the 20% countervailing duty recently imposed on Eastern Canadian paper because of a so-called subsidized electricity rate for our paper mills. Funny how that wasn't a problem three years ago when that mill was restarted following the bankruptcy of the American company that owned it... but now that the exchange rate has gone from par to 70 cents.... now we better get a duty on Canadian product.
Yeah, cry me that river. You guys only want 'free' trade when you can dump your stuff on everyone else. When the shoe is on the other foot, close the border immediately.
Rod
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