A fellow I know has a neighbor who just bought a 7130 MFWD. The talk was how much they can be turned up in terms of power safely. I know the general rule is 10 percent of rated HP but the owner was looking to get 210 PTO HP out of it. Just wondering if anybody had turned one up that far and had it hold up?
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rusty6
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- East central Sask.
Depends how long he plans to keep it. I don't know why people have to mess with the factory settings. These tractors work just fine for many years and hours at original settings. If it doesn't have enough power for the job then I'd buy a bigger tractor rather than abuse the one I have.
Not to be overly nasty,but sounds like a bunch of nosy neighbors.It is his tractor to do as he pleases with and pay for if something goes wrong.More then likely it already has that much now or more from the factory.I haven't bought a new tractor in the last 40 yrs.that didn't have 20 to 80 more horses then it was rated to have.
the tractor vet
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when you add more fuel WITH OUT adding more air your start to have problems and when you start stuffen more air in you preheat that air so now you have to cool that air . I assume that is a 8.3 cummins in there . Now depending on CPL and that is the engine parts list that is the limiting factor . Will it take it ??????? don't know . We put a 8.3 in a Oil ALL OVER and it is setting at around 215 maybe a shade more . It was factory set at 209 Hp. at 1980 RPM on a gen set and we had to turn up the RPM's to get PTO speed and now it is running 2500 at full throttle . Is that enough power ??? yea we think so . Got one 1066 turning a weeee bit more then that . The problem there is putting it to the ground with a two wheel drive tractor the next problem was not spinning the rims in the tire and ripping valve stems off.
Eagle Beagle
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So true! Working at a Fiat-Allis when they got caught up in a horsepower showdown with Caterpillar. The FD14 was a proven workhorse that could hold it's own for thousand's of hours of operation. Corporate, trying to play catch-up with Cat, increased output from 150 to 165 by fuel adjustment alone.
New units were being sold and a few months in, the phones were ringing. Engine with blue smoke and missing badly, oil pouring from exhaust, all around 450 to 600 hours on a new machine. Quarter sized holes melted into the top of pistons was the culprit.
Fiat's answer was ,OOPS need more air to swirl around in the cylinder. I spent the better part of a year installing aftermarket turbo kits under a factory campaign to fix their problem.
That said, I put over four thousand hours on an early 4430 that was turned up to 155. Rear end held together and no problems with the powershift.
Your tractor- your decision.
New units were being sold and a few months in, the phones were ringing. Engine with blue smoke and missing badly, oil pouring from exhaust, all around 450 to 600 hours on a new machine. Quarter sized holes melted into the top of pistons was the culprit.
Fiat's answer was ,OOPS need more air to swirl around in the cylinder. I spent the better part of a year installing aftermarket turbo kits under a factory campaign to fix their problem.
That said, I put over four thousand hours on an early 4430 that was turned up to 155. Rear end held together and no problems with the powershift.
Your tractor- your decision.
jon f mn
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I think they are mostly the same as a 7140 which would run that factory so I don't see any problems. Maybe a look through a parts book to see if the turbo and injectors are the same would be a good idea. If they are then I don't see the problem. The case 504 which is similar in specs easily ran at that hp and more.
You're taking this completely the wrong way. The fellow who owns the tractor is quite a socializer with his neighbors and as long as I don't talk about his finances he does not mind. It's not like I mentioned what town he is from so I doubt anybody here would know the tractor in question.
Brendon-KS
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I don't believe the 7130 has an aftercooler like the 7140 does.
showcrop
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A dairy farmer that I know bought a 4440 some 20 years ago from out west. He took it to the local dealer who I do business with, to get it all checked out and serviced. They also put it on their dyno and it showed 225 HP. He has been running it like that ever since. He used to drive it to the local fair every year where they have a very well attended tractor pull and he entered the two heaviest classes. His last class would be after dark, and he would come flying down the track at about 15 MPH, not making much noise, get to the end and hit the brakes to keep from going into the river. He won both of his classes pretty much every year for a bunch of years.
When I used to work on heavy equipment, there was a Fiat FD41 brought in for a customer. I had to reassemble it when it came in, then had to work on repairs it needed. I then tore it back down for transport to the customer. I believe it had a huge V engine in it, but I can't remember for sure, that was a few years ago. That was a pretty good sized dozer.
Ross
Ross
T in NE
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- Cambridge, Nebraska
I'd also check the friction counts on the transmission clutches. It may not have as many due to pushing fewer ponies than the 40 and 50.
An 8950 is rated about 235 at the pto, you lose about 50 to the pumps and parasitic losses. They'll spin the dyno about 250 all day long.
Who is gonna sue because the tractor has an extra 15 hp?
An 8950 is rated about 235 at the pto, you lose about 50 to the pumps and parasitic losses. They'll spin the dyno about 250 all day long.
Who is gonna sue because the tractor has an extra 15 hp?
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