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U.S. company to build small tractors in Cuba

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JerryS

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I don't know how to post links, but I googled several concerning a U.S. company's efforts to take advantage of the relaxed trade agreements with Cuba. Cleber LLC, an Alabama manufacturer, plans to begin making the Oggun, a small tractor, in a Cuban plant, as Cuba is encouraging U.S. manufacturing in Cuba, and not just U.S. imports. The Oggun appears to be a small, bare-bones cultivating device, something like a Wheelhorse. Interesting little machine.
 
Looks like they just stole the idea from the owners or patent holders of the Allis Chalmers model "G". The little G was very popular with vegetable farmers and those with large gardens here in the USA.
 
I looked it up and found some pictures. Seems like we could us the jobs here.
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According to the article the patents on the Allis G have all expired. Therefore any one can build something similar.
 
Yes, we could use the jobs here. However, the owner is smart enough not to try to build it in the U.S.
The American lawyers would sue them out of business right before the E.P.A. would regulate them out of business.
 
Yup it sure looks like a "modern" model "G" Allis Chalmers. The G had a little 4cyl engine and what does this little bomb have? They are kinda cute though.
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Well let's try this again. That engine might be the same as harbor freight sells. Sort of a knock off of a Briggs twin. Let us see if the photo loads.
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Great now both loaded. Another thought about this is add a Woods mower to it. That would be way cool!
 
I've owned and cultivated with a good number of AC G tractors and they are way underpowered,have a G clone a Hines H-1600 with a 16HP Kohler engine and it has way more power than the G's ever did.
 
Considering that Cuba siezed American assets currently worth over 6 billion dollars when Castro took power, and they have no intention to repay it, I think anyone who invests in Cuba is a fool.
 
(quoted from post at 22:11:34 11/02/15) Considering that Cuba siezed American assets currently worth over 6 billion dollars when Castro took power, and they have no intention to repay it, I think anyone who invests in Cuba is a fool.
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That has happened in many countries around the world. Some countries have sued in the world court and won but have a heck of a hard time collecting. What happened in Cuba many years ago still happens. If a company can get 4-5 years before assets are seized they are still money ahead due to the greatly reduced cost of labor. You build that thing in the US and try to sell it in Cuba with enough markup you are not going to sell very many. Most of the people are dirt poor.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 02:11:34 11/03/15) Considering that Cuba siezed American assets currently worth over 6 billion dollars when Castro took power, and they have no intention to repay it, I think anyone who invests in Cuba is a fool.
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You aren't supposed to remember things like that, or the murder, rape, torture, etc. the communists did. You're supposed to think the Castro regime were all good guys, same as Che, Stalin and Mao. Didn't you get your latest issue of "Revisionist History Monthly"?
 
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(quoted from post at 02:11:34 11/03/15) Considering that Cuba siezed American assets currently worth over 6 billion dollars when Castro took power, and they have no intention to repay it, I think anyone who invests in Cuba is a fool.
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You aren't supposed to remember things like that, or the murder, rape, torture, etc. the communists did. You're supposed to think the Castro regime were all good guys, same as Che, Stalin and Mao. Didn't you get your latest issue of "Revisionist History Monthly"?
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Other countries view the U.S in the same way.
 
(quoted from post at 00:37:07 11/03/15) Yes, we could use the jobs here. However, the owner is smart enough not to try to build it in the U.S.
The American lawyers would sue them out of business right before the E.P.A. would regulate them out of business.
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If having the jobs here is so important, why do I keep reading post on these forums about the new Yanmar, Kubota, and other foreign built tractors on this site? I don't think there is one tractor manufacturer in this country that builds a tractor that is under 100 hp. They are all imported.
 
(quoted from post at 07:18:02 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 00:37:07 11/03/15) Yes, we could use the jobs here. However, the owner is smart enough not to try to build it in the U.S.
The American lawyers would sue them out of business right before the E.P.A. would regulate them out of business.
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If having the jobs here is so important, why do I keep reading post on these forums about the new Yanmar, Kubota, and other foreign built tractors on this site? I don't think there is one tractor manufacturer in this country that builds a tractor that is under 100 hp. They are all imported.
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And the issue with jobs is labor cost. Idiots want to blame the "gubermint". Companies are manufacturing in Mexico because labor is $3 or less per hour, land is given to them, and the labor to build a plant is much cheaper also. Cheap labor has very strong appeal....
 

Labor cost is one thing but also they don't have EPA to fool with in other countries. EPA has killed manufacturing in this country and I wish I could line up each and every EPA employee AND their supporters and doze them into a pit and cover them deep. They are all traitors.
 
More like companies seeking the absolute cheapest labour and slackest environmental laws have ruined manufacturing in the country. Disposable workers of china and other
poor countries are a CEO's dream.
 
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Other countries view the U.S in the same way.
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Really? Sense when have we (the US) murdered, raped or tortured our own citizens because they had an education, money or didn't agree with government policy? So if that's how they see us they are uninformed.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 07:12:02 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 13:19:43 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 02:11:34 11/03/15) Considering that Cuba siezed American assets currently worth over 6 billion dollars when Castro took power, and they have no intention to repay it, I think anyone who invests in Cuba is a fool.
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You aren't supposed to remember things like that, or the murder, rape, torture, etc. the communists did. You're supposed to think the Castro regime were all good guys, same as Che, Stalin and Mao. Didn't you get your latest issue of "Revisionist History Monthly"?
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Other countries view the U.S in the same way.
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And your view of the USA is....... Lets hear it.
 
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(quoted from post at 13:19:43 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 02:11:34 11/03/15) Considering that Cuba siezed American assets currently worth over 6 billion dollars when Castro took power, and they have no intention to repay it, I think anyone who invests in Cuba is a fool.
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You aren't supposed to remember things like that, or the murder, rape, torture, etc. the communists did. You're supposed to think the Castro regime were all good guys, same as Che, Stalin and Mao. Didn't you get your latest issue of "Revisionist History Monthly"?
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Other countries view the U.S in the same way.
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And your view of the USA is....... Lets hear it.
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Talk to some people from other countries and see for yourself. In their eye's we're not the saintly humanitarians we like to think we are.
 
(quoted from post at 16:32:25 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 07:18:02 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 00:37:07 11/03/15) Yes, we could use the jobs here. However, the owner is smart enough not to try to build it in the U.S.
The American lawyers would sue them out of business right before the E.P.A. would regulate them out of business.
Click to expand...

If having the jobs here is so important, why do I keep reading post on these forums about the new Yanmar, Kubota, and other foreign built tractors on this site? I don't think there is one tractor manufacturer in this country that builds a tractor that is under 100 hp. They are all imported.
Click to expand...

And the issue with jobs is labor cost. Idiots want to blame the "gubermint". Companies are manufacturing in Mexico because labor is $3 or less per hour, land is given to them, and the labor to build a plant is much cheaper also. Cheap labor has very strong appeal....
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Everyone wants to blame our nations labor force for all the countries troubles, but yet they wouldn't work cheap themselves. NAFTA and the fair trade agreement is a piece of legislation that needs to be abolished. I'll never quit saying it.

The EPA was developed to protect out environment. Some people want to blame it for jobs leaving our country too. China has no environmental laws. Now they can't even go outdoors unless they where a mask most days. When was the last time you saw that here? I remember how polluted our rivers and streams were when I was young. They look pretty good now.
 
the G patents expired before I was even born.

Patents are not good for very long. about 15=20 years.

Not too hard to work around some patents either but need to be creative. and have a patent lawyer.
 
(quoted from post at 17:29:57 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 07:12:02 11/03/15)

Other countries view the U.S in the same way.
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Really? Sense when have we (the US) murdered, raped or tortured our own citizens because they had an education, money or didn't agree with government policy? So if that's how they see us they are uninformed.

Rick
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It's how we treat people in foreign countries. Not how we treat our own people.
 
(quoted from post at 15:49:55 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 17:29:57 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 07:12:02 11/03/15)

Other countries view the U.S in the same way.
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Really? Sense when have we (the US) murdered, raped or tortured our own citizens because they had an education, money or didn't agree with government policy? So if that's how they see us they are uninformed.

Rick
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It's how we treat people in foreign countries. Not how we treat our own people.
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And with a few exceptions just where have we just gone in murdering, raping and so on? OH BTW fighting a war isn't be definition murder.

I could really care less about what other countries think of us. When they are powerful enough to slap us down then I'll worry.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 09:28:41 11/03/15) More like companies seeking the absolute cheapest labour and slackest environmental laws have ruined manufacturing in the country. Disposable workers of china and other
poor countries are a CEO's dream.
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That's a load of bull shine! The average consumer, driven by the desire to own everything and having it right now has created a demand for cheap products. The companies have to seek those cheap workers and slack laws to survive and compete in the marketplace. And what's sad is there isn't anyway to fix it.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 11:12:02 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 13:19:43 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 02:11:34 11/03/15) Considering that Cuba siezed American assets currently worth over 6 billion dollars when Castro took power, and they have no intention to repay it, I think anyone who invests in Cuba is a fool.
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You aren't supposed to remember things like that, or the murder, rape, torture, etc. the communists did. You're supposed to think the Castro regime were all good guys, same as Che, Stalin and Mao. Didn't you get your latest issue of "Revisionist History Monthly"?
Click to expand...

Other countries view the U.S in the same way.
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Other countries are wrong then, aren't they? How many trillions have we spent or invested in countries we've defeated in war? No other nation has ever done what we've done- ever. That's another example of American exceptionalism. The fact is Cuba was taken over by a group of murdering rapists and thugs and they are still in power today. While no nation is perfect, I think comparing the US to Cuba is about like comparing Jeffrey Dahlmer to Little Suzy Sunshine.
 
(quoted from post at 02:46:25 11/04/15)
(quoted from post at 11:12:02 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 13:19:43 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 02:11:34 11/03/15) Considering that Cuba siezed American assets currently worth over 6 billion dollars when Castro took power, and they have no intention to repay it, I think anyone who invests in Cuba is a fool.
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You aren't supposed to remember things like that, or the murder, rape, torture, etc. the communists did. You're supposed to think the Castro regime were all good guys, same as Che, Stalin and Mao. Didn't you get your latest issue of "Revisionist History Monthly"?
Click to expand...

Other countries view the U.S in the same way.
Click to expand...

Other countries are wrong then, aren't they? How many trillions have we spent or invested in countries we've defeated in war? No other nation has ever done what we've done- ever. That's another example of American exceptionalism. The fact is Cuba was taken over by a group of murdering rapists and thugs and they are still in power today. While no nation is perfect, I think comparing the US to Cuba is about like comparing Jeffrey Dahlmer to Little Suzy Sunshine.
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You're right about Cuba. I think it's a bad idea to send anything there to help their economy. They made their bed, now they have to lie in it.

This country has been involved in shady deals with third world counties for a long time. Most of our population refuses to think our government would do anything wrong pertaining to another foreign land. But, sad to say, that is not the case. We have a great country here, but we're ( our country) isn't the saints we'd like to think we are.
 
(quoted from post at 23:30:03 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 02:46:25 11/04/15)
(quoted from post at 11:12:02 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 13:19:43 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 02:11:34 11/03/15) Considering that Cuba siezed American assets currently worth over 6 billion dollars when Castro took power, and they have no intention to repay it, I think anyone who invests in Cuba is a fool.
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You aren't supposed to remember things like that, or the murder, rape, torture, etc. the communists did. You're supposed to think the Castro regime were all good guys, same as Che, Stalin and Mao. Didn't you get your latest issue of "Revisionist History Monthly"?
Click to expand...

Other countries view the U.S in the same way.
Click to expand...

Other countries are wrong then, aren't they? How many trillions have we spent or invested in countries we've defeated in war? No other nation has ever done what we've done- ever. That's another example of American exceptionalism. The fact is Cuba was taken over by a group of murdering rapists and thugs and they are still in power today. While no nation is perfect, I think comparing the US to Cuba is about like comparing Jeffrey Dahlmer to Little Suzy Sunshine.
Click to expand...

You're right about Cuba. I think it's a bad idea to send anything there to help their economy. They made their bed, now they have to lie in it.

This country has been involved in shady deals with third world counties for a long time. Most of our population refuses to think our government would do anything wrong pertaining to another foreign land. But, sad to say, that is not the case. We have a great country here, but we're ( our country) isn't the saints we'd like to think we are.
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I never said we were saints, much less that our gov't is. But you have to consider the source when you ask for an opinion. Asking the average Syrian or Pakistani how he feels about
 
(quoted from post at 23:30:03 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 02:46:25 11/04/15)
(quoted from post at 11:12:02 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 13:19:43 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 02:11:34 11/03/15) Considering that Cuba siezed American assets currently worth over 6 billion dollars when Castro took power, and they have no intention to repay it, I think anyone who invests in Cuba is a fool.
Click to expand...


You aren't supposed to remember things like that, or the murder, rape, torture, etc. the communists did. You're supposed to think the Castro regime were all good guys, same as Che, Stalin and Mao. Didn't you get your latest issue of "Revisionist History Monthly"?
Click to expand...

Other countries view the U.S in the same way.
Click to expand...

Other countries are wrong then, aren't they? How many trillions have we spent or invested in countries we've defeated in war? No other nation has ever done what we've done- ever. That's another example of American exceptionalism. The fact is Cuba was taken over by a group of murdering rapists and thugs and they are still in power today. While no nation is perfect, I think comparing the US to Cuba is about like comparing Jeffrey Dahlmer to Little Suzy Sunshine.
Click to expand...

You're right about Cuba. I think it's a bad idea to send anything there to help their economy. They made their bed, now they have to lie in it.

This country has been involved in shady deals with third world counties for a long time. Most of our population refuses to think our government would do anything wrong pertaining to another foreign land. But, sad to say, that is not the case. We have a great country here, but we're ( our country) isn't the saints we'd like to think we are.
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I never said we were saints, much less that our gov't is. But you have to consider the source when you ask for an opinion. Asking the average Syrian or Pakistani how he feels about the US is like asking a vegan how he feels about meat eaters. Objectivity is not a strong human trait.
 
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Huh. Is anyones elses editing function disabled?
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I haven't been able to edit anything for a long time.

In answer to your post above. Our government keeps us in the dark about a lot of things that goes on outside of our borders. Other countries just don't wake up one day and decide they hate us. There's a catalyst that starts that line of thinking somewhere, and it's not just that they are crazy religious zealots. We get lied to by our government so they can keep our support when they want to pull some crap in another country.
 
(quoted from post at 15:49:55 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 17:29:57 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 07:12:02 11/03/15)

Other countries view the U.S in the same way.
Click to expand...

Really? Sense when have we (the US) murdered, raped or tortured our own citizens because they had an education, money or didn't agree with government policy? So if that's how they see us they are uninformed.

Rick
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It's how we treat people in foreign countries. Not how we treat our own people.
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Then you are comparing apple to oranges. The US military prosecutes service members for murder, rape and torture when the chain of command finds out about it. In fact right now a US Army Ranger is being charged with assault for using physical force to stop an Afghani from raping a boy. Plus the soldiers who were abusing prisoners were or still are in prison themselves. Then add in the guys who did in fact commit murder in both Iraq and Afghanistan have been convicted and are in prison. So your claim of rape, murder and torture is way off base. I know for a fact that every service member, in basic training, plus twice a year after basic and before a deployment receive training on treatment of POW's and illegal activity to include murder and rape and the penalties.

I'll acknowledge that out foreign policy leaves a lot to be desired.

Rick
 
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(quoted from post at 15:49:55 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 17:29:57 11/03/15)
(quoted from post at 07:12:02 11/03/15)

Other countries view the U.S in the same way.
Click to expand...

Really? Sense when have we (the US) murdered, raped or tortured our own citizens because they had an education, money or didn't agree with government policy? So if that's how they see us they are uninformed.

Rick
Click to expand...

It's how we treat people in foreign countries. Not how we treat our own people.
Click to expand...

Then you are comparing apple to oranges. The US military prosecutes service members for murder, rape and torture when the chain of command finds out about it. In fact right now a US Army Ranger is being charged with assault for using physical force to stop an Afghani from raping a boy. Plus the soldiers who were abusing prisoners were or still are in prison themselves. Then add in the guys who did in fact commit murder in both Iraq and Afghanistan have been convicted and are in prison. So your claim of rape, murder and torture is way off base. I know for a fact that every service member, in basic training, plus twice a year after basic and before a deployment receive training on treatment of POW's and illegal activity to include murder and rape and the penalties.

I'll acknowledge that out foreign policy leaves a lot to be desired.

Rick
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All of this boils down to proving T. R's advice on the best way to be a winner on the world stage: 'Speak softly and carry a big stick.' A bit of 'saber rattling' never hurt anyone but it [b:0171c11c8b]DOES [/b:0171c11c8b]get their attention!
 
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