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BANDITFARMER

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I was going to start cutting soybeans today until on the last going over of the combine I found the belt for the unloading auger drive on my old JD 95 Corn Special was about to brake. Looked like it had been cut, So ok I take it off and call JD to see if they have one or if I had to order it. Much to my surprise I was told it's NLA. What do you mean NLA ? He said according to the note on the computer JD is no longer going to support these old combines for parts. Well that's just dandy ! So now after 3 hours on the phone I found a supplier why can get the belt some ware out of Illinois for $27 and the only way I can get it other than a stock order (a week wait) is UPS Next Day Air for $39. My combine is down and the soybean are ready and now the combine sits waiting for a belt. Just my luck. Now the $30 belt is going to cost about $70 with shipping. I guess while it's down I am going to look a little closer at everything now while I twiddle my thumbs waiting. So now it's $70 for the belt and shipping and because it was after 4 pm (shipping cut off) it will be shipped tomorrow and be hear by Thursday by 10:30 am, Oh what a joy! I cant believe JD or A&I don't carry the belts for the 5 series but everything for the 100 series. Now the funny thing is A&I can get belts for the Oliver 35 525 535 and 545 as well as MF combines BUT NOT for the 5 series JD's. What's the world coming too!!!!! I feel as if I have been shunned by Mother Deere. Bandit
 
I can't imagine why you couldn't go to a parts store and get a belt with the right cross section and length without having to spend an arm and a leg for shipping. Worth a try. Mike
 
I'm told Jay Dee belts can match belts via the John Deere number. You might try them next time.

As for Deere not supporting the 05 series, that seems to have been coming for some time. I was frustrated a few years ago when trying to find an aftermarket chaffer for our 105. It seemed as if some of the suppliers had been 'bought off' by Deere to stop offering support... the same company that not many years before bent over backwards to make we a new concave for the same combine.

Realistically though, the newest 05s were built in 1969. 46 years ago. It's been coming. The writing should have been on the wall a few years ago when Deere was advertising they still had parts for them.

Good luck, I hope you get your belt.
 
Find a bearing supply house in your area that also has Industrial belts; they may be able to match up a belt that it better than the OEM belt, usually for quite a bit less money.
 
That's what I was thinking-- have another supplier match it up (if you get lucky). Also I wondered since it's the unloading auger if there wouldn't be a way to fill the bin and limp along using a portable auger somehow to partially unload. (probably not)
 
I will guarantee you Gates makes a belt that will fit. Take the belt to the nearest Napa, Oreilly and Advance and you will get a belt tomorrow.
 
Hi Realistically your combines worth probably $2000 or less on a good day to someone other than you if your lucky. JD and others are dropping parts for older stuff like mad now. You either got to start buying old machines for parts, or go spend big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ on newer machines. Then don't be surprised if the part for thats out of stock. Been having that problem with 15 year old Massey tractors!. as others have said try the local bearing house. the one in our town carries tons of belts bearings and other stuff. I just saved $6000 with new holland as they won't sell Bearings for my baler now. Got to by huge $ assembly's. The bearings local air freighted in cost around $200 for all of them!.
Shop around or the other option is quit farming if you can't afford newer equipment, if you can't get parts or afford custom guys. Sadly this situation is getting way worse for parts prices and lack of them in some cases to, I run a small repair shop and farm so I see it from both sides to.
Regards Robert
 
I use JayDee belts on all my equipment.Combine,baler swather......About 1/3 to half of OEM.They also offer Bearings,pulleys,sprockets.Call em and request catalogs.I think they are in Ohio.Good people.No complants whatsoever!
 
Like coonie said, use Jaydee belts. Give them the JD part number and they send a new belt. I've used them lots of times, look up my number in their file and order it on the net. Good as original and much cheaper.
 
I am surprised that the 5 series combines were supported as well as they were. Very few around as most small farmers have moved to 4400 or 6600 combines. I think if they were still in the field such as other tractors and implements were from that era I would bet there would be better parts support for them.
 
I looked at the jdparts.com site and looked up your belt. The part number is H23766 and is still available for around $70 from Deere. The dimensions are 73.75 inches long, section is HC, width of .880 inches, thickness of .530 inches with a 34 degree angle. Hope this helps. Mike
 
You have LAZY parts person. I looked up both serial numbers for the JD 95 unloading auger drive belt. There are three possible belts. All three are available. They cost about $70 each. Look your JD 95 parts up on line and just call in the number.
 
Rebuilding front bolster on a 1953 Super M, could not believe local Case-IH dealer got all seven parts needed for a 62 year old tractor!
 
You have a "C" width belt. Danged near any REAL auto parts store can get you one, probably overnight.

Rules for "C" section V-belts:

C Section V Belts
Manufacturing Range: 36"-550"
C Section inside length plus 4" equals outside length up to 220
C225 and larger inside length plus 2.2" equals outside length. (i.e.. C225=C227.2)
Top width-7/8", Depth-17/32"
 
I think it has a lot to do with who you are. There are only 3 JD dealers within a 2 hour drive to me and when you come in and ask for parts for something old you can see the glaze come over there eyes and you already know the answer before you ask. The same thing happened years ago with the only Agco MF AC dealer we had left, Go in asking a question about something old there answer was the same "Do you see anything like that here? No because there all junk and that's what you need to do with yours Junk IT! Get something new and we'll talk. Most dealers around me unless your spending $10.000 a month they don't want to talk to you because your not big enough simple as that.

When I called them I had the belts part number out of the parts book so they didn't even have to look it up. It's just a fact of life for small farmers, We are laughed at, looked down on, even told you need to quit while you still can and let us rent the place. So the good one buck it up and keep going and find new ways around a problem. Me right now the belt is bought and it will be delivered to the farm by 10;30am Thursday morning and I wont even have to drive to a dealer to get it. $70 from the dealer or $70 from a Industrial parts house sent to me, Hummmmmmmm I think I'll go with the parts house every time. Hay it works for me. Bandit
 
Like I had said it looks like it was cut. Someone needed some gas and they took it from the combine and for fun they added 3 gallon of water to the fuel tank so I have no reason not to believe they cut the belt too. Bandit
 

Of course if you hadn't seen it, mow many bins would it have emptied before it broke? I'd have put it back on while waiting for the new belt to arrive.
 
Those dealers would be:

Cahalls at Georgetown
Five Points at Hillsboro
JD eq. at Wilmington

Danny Fithin at Cahalls used to be pretty good there. Wilmington always was stuck up even when they were Greenline. I have never dealt with Five Points as I always dealt with Luechek when he was a dealer there.

Where your at there really is a dealership hole these days. There really is not any dealers close to you anymore. There used to be the Oliver/White dealer over at Pleasant Plains that was good. There was a MF dealer up in there but I can't remember who they were. Never dealt with them.

For your needs a belt is a belt. I would try and have one of each one on hand. Jaydee and others are reasonable enough to keep some on hand.

Have a safe Harvest!!!!

PS how is your Father doing???
 
bandit ,,,. wisht I was there when they did that vandalism , I would a held them while you used their knife and told them to spread em ,/// that really irks me ,.. I agree with you about jd having pets , snaz in corydon ind , never liked our family because we did not bleed green when we got hurt,,.25 yrs ago , I went there for a bearing set for my 851 jd dolly wheel ,,. snaz waited on me, and told me jd never offered a dolly wheel on their 851 , he wanted to belittle me in front of everyone, he said ..look kid , you probably have a nh or oliver rake!! ,, damit!!! iknew what I had and I had serial # to prove it,, he got his book out to show me that he was rite, and started flippin thru it, soon I saw a drawing of the dolly wheel and I placed my hand rite on the page , and said there it is ,, and this is the part number for what I need , the big time boys there were laffin at us ,... I read it off to him,also I noticed the 30 dollar sale price , he got the bearings and said these were common to other deere equipment and told me I can have them for 10 bux ,WTh ??, I guess that was the best way he knew how to apologize
 
I wouldn't even expect a JD dealer to have any parts for a 5 series anymore. Its getting rare to see a 20 series JD in the field around here. 00 series disappeared 10 years ago for the most part. Neighbor of mine who ran a squareback 105 from the early 70s to the mid 90s told me he was able to walk into any of the JD stores around here and walk out with whatever part he needed up til the 90s. Even then he was still able to get half of what he would ask for. He also ran a Case 1060 combine from around the same time but had to sell it off in the late 70s when the parts/service became nonexistent around here.
 
There are a lot of antique tractors out there but very few combines that old. It's simple business. Stocking parts that they may sell one or 2 a year isn't profitable. So when stocks run out they are not reordered and are NLA. Look at parts for old implements. They too are becoming scarce and had to find new. They are not trying to sell you a new combine although they would like to. They are just trying to stay in business.

Rick
 


This past May. A friend was trying to get his combine ready for wheat harvest. We put new batteries in it and it fired right off.BUT the hydraulics wouldn't work.
He called the CaseIh dealer for their technician to look at it.
July 1st came and still no tech. He called again and was basically told he lived to far away (40 miles) and his combine was too old and would not be worth their time. My friend, Brian had to barrow a combine to cut his wheat.

Brian's combine is a Case IH 1460.
 
Dad is doing good but he is still has to ware that big boot. I have been trying to get him out of the house as much as I can over to the barn so he can tinker some when he is up to it. Another 3 weeks in the wheel chair and there going to let him start trying to walk on it some to get use to it. He really wants to try to cut beans but yesterday he said I had enough to do as it was and he was not going try to cut this year, He said I don't know how you could get me up in the cab with my leg like this anyway. I want him to feel needed so I have a few tricks up my sleve to keep him occupied with harvest. You cant keep a good man down and dad is still fighting to get out of the house so I am in good shape. Thanks for asking about dad and I'll tell him you asked about him ( he will like that).

As for the dealers one of the Cahalls died back in the spring and there is talk that JD is going to take it over (rumor), As for Wilmington is run by JD now and Five Points is still doing good for now. Only MF and Agco dealer is Mayers up in Jeffersonville and there hard to deal with. As for McHenry's down in Pleasant Plain they are still going and selling new equipment just not White anymore. No matter what I need there the first place I start at as they sell A&I and they can still get some new White Oliver parts so it works out good for me. Bandit
 
McHenry's is the dealer I could not remember. I got some Oliver NOS parts of them 15 years ago or so. Seemed to be a great old style dealership.

As for Cahalls that would just be rumor. Calvin is who died and that was back in June of 2014. He and Perry were the original owners of the dealership. Calvin and his sons bought Perry's share out in the 1980s. Kyle Cahall is the general manager of the business. Roland is involved in the service part. So JD would not be looking to strong arm them.
 
Tell yourself it would have been $100 from JD then you will feel better, Ive been there too. I remember getting a bushing for a clothes dryer. The guy told me maybe it was getting old enough it was time for a new dryer...I told him "Well, if I can get a new one for $6.71 Im all for it".
 
On old machines I always buy 3 or 4 of whatever, once I find them, stick them on the shelf. I have even gone back to dealers, after I bought something, and got 3 or 4 more later just so.
 
I don't understand your concern... what is the value of your bean crop? Is it more than $70? If so, personally, I would go ahead and purchase the belt! Welcome to the real world, most equipment manufacturers do not support parts for their older equipment and I am not speaking just about farming equipment. Just be thankful that there are companies that fill this void by offering either NOS or remanufactured parts. Now we could discuss the fact that these companies can make a profit by offering these parts, and the original name brand companies say they cannot, but I think we all know the answer to that: if it is broke, throw it away and buy my newest model (made in China guaranteed for one whole year)!
 
No shock to me. They told me 10 years ago to forget it regarding getting parts for my 400 Feed Grinder.

As the others say, I can't understand why you couldn't match up a belt almost any auto or supply place.
 
(quoted from post at 01:05:38 10/07/15) I was going to start cutting soybeans today until on the last going over of the combine I found the belt for the unloading auger drive on my old JD 95 Corn Special was about to brake. Looked like it had been cut, So ok I take it off and call JD to see if they have one or if I had to order it. Much to my surprise I was told it's NLA. What do you mean NLA ? He said according to the note on the computer JD is no longer going to support these old combines for parts. Well that's just dandy ! So now after 3 hours on the phone I found a supplier why can get the belt some ware out of Illinois for $27 and the only way I can get it other than a stock order (a week wait) is UPS Next Day Air for $39. My combine is down and the soybean are ready and now the combine sits waiting for a belt. Just my luck. Now the $30 belt is going to cost about $70 with shipping. I guess while it's down I am going to look a little closer at everything now while I twiddle my thumbs waiting. So now it's $70 for the belt and shipping and because it was after 4 pm (shipping cut off) it will be shipped tomorrow and be hear by Thursday by 10:30 am, Oh what a joy! I cant believe JD or A&I don't carry the belts for the 5 series but everything for the 100 series. Now the funny thing is A&I can get belts for the Oliver 35 525 535 and 545 as well as MF combines BUT NOT for the 5 series JD's. What's the world coming too!!!!! I feel as if I have been shunned by Mother Deere. Bandit
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http://www.gates.com/all-search-tools/automotive-interchange-search-results This will tell you if Gates makes a belt that is a direct replacement.
 
Since JD does not make belts, just buys them in bulk, marks thrm up, and sells them, it is surprising they would not continue to sell those belts. Makes no sense.

Nearly every belt, ESP vee belt, is a stock item made and used in many many many different applications, machines, brands, it is just standard to have a big stock of belts available. That belt must not be commonly used on other JD machines, for them to not stock it.

Generally bearings and belts and chain can be found locally or mail order from a couple places much cheaper than oem, whether JD, CIH, Agco, etc. these companies do not make belts or bearings, they buy them from the 3-4 companies left in the world that do make these common items.

JD folk especially seem focused on only buying such common parts from Mother Deere. Check around to parts suppliers, 95% of what you need is sold same brand or better from the suppliers! for less.

Shoup, JayDVee belts, Baum Hydraulics, Surplus center hydraulics, Napa, and many others will get you the part quicker than the current Deere setup of regional multi dealerships where your part is always stocked at the farthest location and costs extra shipping and a day or two to get to you any more.

Paul
 
Just for the anti Deere crowd
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I'm just curious how you came to the conclusion that they're available. JD P***T shows P49603H and P48084H as obsolete with no replacement number listed. P40278H shows as updating to H136963.(is this right) What am I missing here. Expert shows nothing. Can't access PM PRO right now.
 
(quoted from post at 23:33:29 10/07/15) Farmerboy: My local dealer shows them available as another number. It is a MAtch plus belt.
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JD Seller
Can you please explain how your local JD dealer shows PN's P49603 & P48084 sub's to another PN while mine(JDparts.com) shows PN's NLA.
Thanks,Jim
 
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