ih 430 SQ BALER

I'm looking at a IH 430 sq baler. I know nothing about them and would like some input, the good and the bad and how they hold up in the field.
Frank IL

Hi Frank, the preferred ones have the "ALL TWINE KNOTTER" much improved over the previous version of IH knotter. As the name implies they work well will all types of twine, thick, thin, sisal and poly.
You can tell them from the old style as on the rear side of the knotter there is flat bar about 1" wide that connects the two knotters together.
I have included a link to a photo of an IH "ALL TWINE KNOTTER".

JimB

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ALL TWINE KNOTTER

Jimb, I've always had JD 14T or 24T balers, never used a 430. Its coming up in a sale Thurs, I'll look at the kotters to see if there the ones your talking about, thanks for the info.
Frank IL

Hi Frank, my brother has both a 430 and a 435 baler with "ALL TWINE" knotters and kickers on them. The 435 has a wider pickup and a bit more capacity. He likes the wider pickup as later in the season he bales right from the haybine swath without raking.

If you do buy it make sure the plunger stop dog under the bale chamber is working. There is a spring and a lever mechanism that is activated by the knotter needle carrier that prevents the plunger from hitting the needles. Sometimes the spring breaks and since you cannot see it, the next time a stick or something goes into the bale camber when the knotters are tying and the plunger is going back there is a collision with the needles.

JimB

I Have a 430 did not pay much for it works good, when it misses a bale you have to stop and compleatly clean the twin out of the knotter, take less than 5 minutes if not you will not get it tie right until you clean the mess and it keeps getting bigger and harder to clean, very good little baler though. strings are a litte further out on the bales also, you have to keep a tight bale or the strings will come off
Hope this helps
John

Thank John

Thanks for the info....Jimb

I stacked many bales of straw behind a 430 All-Twine in my teens and early 20's.

By the time I was big enough to really be of help, I'm going to guess the baler had pushed 150,000+ bales through it. Grandpa and my uncles bought it before I was born, and I recall us baling roughly 10,000 bales a year in my young teen years, but as my uncles moved off the farm, the baling slowly tapered off until I was the only one that would help. When the baler left the farm, it was showing it's wear, but still worked pretty good. The person who has it now was still using it last i knew.

I recall it working well with sisal, 130 pound, and 170 pound plastic twine, but it never wanted to work that well with the 110 pound plastic.

I recall having trouble one year with it tying.. One evening when we stopped it was working fine, the next morning I greased it and we had a heck of a time.. Got a neighbor to come look at it (he was a former IH dealer) and he said I had pumped way too much grease to the knotters.. Seemed funny to me back then, but from that point on, I gave it 3-4 pumps on the knotter fittings and never had the same trouble the rest of the years we used it.

It would occasionally miss bales, and consistent size was sometimes an issue.. I could never figure it out back then, but as I have gotten older and bought my own baler, I've come to realize grandpa was plain going too fast, trying to choke too much through it. I now have a Deere baler.. Never misses a bale, and size is always uniform UNTIL you start to hog material in, then I have the same problems we had with the old 430.

I remember grandpa having to change the needle frame one year, and we had the pto shaft break at a yoke one time. I'm sure it had needles, billhooks, twine knives, and other wear parts in it's life, but that should be expected no matter what brand or model.

The last year we used it there was a set of gears that "separated" from each other and the baler jumped time and broke a few things.. We bought parts, fixed it, and finished baling with it. The gears were near the feed forks if I remember right, and there are slotted grooves to adjust tooth lash.. Best we can figure is the nuts worked loose just enough allowing one gear to slide away from the other and BANG.

The 430 has been gone about 10 years now, but if I ever run across one cheap that works, I'd sure like snatch it up, if for nothing other than the sentimental value of having it in the barn.. I bought the D-17 grandpa always pulled it with, shoulda bought the baler too, but at 25 I wasn't interested in no more baling.. at 30 I decided to start baling again lol..

Sorry for the long post, just wanted to tell you my experiences, and got sidetracked with my life story

Brad

I had one we it a thrower. I could spit out 10 40 lb bales a minute and the average miss rate was 1 bale in 5 to 6 hundred. Explode on impact rate slightly higher. made a good 560 diesel snort. A good baler if you kept them in good repair