Getting gas home

Fatjay · Aug 18, 2015

It's getting a little tiring taking 4 can's in the back of the truck to the gas station, unloading, unscrewing 4 caps, filling bent over, then putting the caps on, lifting into the truck, and coming home, twice a week.

There has to be an easier way to do this. I don't know of any gas cans greater than 5gal, but you have to have them on the ground and greater than 5gal I'm not sure I could lift them.

I looked into some aux tanks but can you fill them on trailers? How would one set that up? I think a 30gal or so would suit me pretty well.

ericlb · Aug 18, 2015

we had a 200 gallon tank on a tandem trailer we used to power a generator at the gravel pit, and nobody ever bothered us , [ the generator engine was a 500 hp cat] but you need to check with your state regs that may change state to state, im out west and we can do much more around here than they can back east, also how about a truck toolbox/ fuel tank, those typicly hold around 50 to 100 gallons depending on there design add a 12 volt pump and hose any you dont have to worry about cans again

Billy NY · Aug 18, 2015

Here's one
Fuel Caddy

JMS/.MN · Aug 18, 2015

I used to have two 75 gal tanks in a pickup, one gas, one diesel, each with electric pumps. Now I have a single 100 gal diesel tank in the shop truck, with an electric pump. It sets behind the cab on 5x6 blocks, so I can slide full 4x8 panels in
the bed, underneath the tank.

newhollandnut · Aug 18, 2015

A guy I worked for in school bought an 8 or so foot
trailer and put two 50 gal L tanks up front. One for
gas one for diesel. Eventually had to put on another
100 gal tank behind the L's. It worked really well
and was light enough trailer you could wrestle it
around a little and we could throw it behind his big
four wheeler or kubota side by side and drive it right
out to equipment

Fatjay · Aug 18, 2015

As far as I know, in pa all fuel storage containers have to be filled on the ground unless they are part of the transporting vehicle and grounded. Basically if it is removable it has to be on the ground. There may be exceptions but um not aware of any.

JD Seller · Aug 18, 2015

Well many of the fuel tanks you see at the farm stores are not rated for gasoline any more. What I used for years was a square gas tank off a truck. I just would set it in the truck on a rubber mat. I took the fuel gauge out and made an adaptor that bolted right back into the hole for my 12 volt fuel pump the mount on. It held around 60 gallons. Truck fuel tanks are rated by the DOT for road use where many of these transfer tanks are only rated for diesel fuel when on the highway. Here is a picture of one like I have. You can find them at Big truck junk yards for way less than you would give for a factory built transfer tank.

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VicS · Aug 18, 2015

You do know a truck will deliver gas to
your house. Here at least 3 company's will
deliver as little as 100 gal. If you let
them come when they are driving by. OK
they do charge at least a dime to 20 cents
more. But my son has a 50 or 60 gal
aluminum L shaped tank. Goes under his
tool box. But you also need a 12 volt
pump. Also a neighbor has a hose and valve
that attaches to his pickup Schrader valve
on the trucks fuel injection pressure
line. Says with just a 3/8 hose fills up
old tractors and mowers plenty fast.

Chris(WA) · Aug 18, 2015

Eric, Its not the cops or the DOT so much as the insurance companies and the lawyers. If you were in an accident with that tank and someone was injured they would hang you out to dry.Got to follow the letter of the law and then some and they will STILL come after ya...
Just sayin'...

JMS/.MN · Aug 19, 2015

In MN there is a limit on size of portable tanks, like I have in the shop truck.....pretty sure it"s around 100-120 gal. Larger tanks can be on trailers on a jobsite, but cannot be transported full. Intended for refill by tankers at the jobsite, then available to fill equipment. Local welder recently built a couple 500 gal for construction companies.

Bruce from Can. · Aug 19, 2015

I am in the same boat i guess , but haven't done any thing different then you so far. I can get bulk fuel
tank from the Co-op for gas just like the ones I have for diesel. My big concern is theft. More bums will try
to steal your gas then will bother dyed diesel. I have gas swather , gas skid steer lawn tractor ,gas feed
cart, two heavy trucks that burn gas, and a few old tractors just for fun. I too need a better way. Bruce

Fatjay · Aug 19, 2015

I'm not worried about thieves for the fuel, just getting tired of hauling the cans back and forth. Just trying to see if the expense of the tank justifies the inconvenience of hauling the cans. Usage will go down for the winter months, though, maybe I'll shop during the winter, see if prices on tanks has gone down any.

LAA · Aug 19, 2015

If there is a equipment salvage yard in the area you might find a fuel tank off of a combine, I have a couple of them I picked up for little or
nothing and they make good mid size transfer tanks.

CBBC · Aug 19, 2015

Bruce, its not just gas... Three weeks ago we had our gravity tank emptied. 1000L tank just filled up a few days before, luckily I had already filled a couple tractors but still had about 700 L missing.

This is at the end of a dead end rd., with a 700' driveway into a yard with 3 houses within 200' and yard lights ( so they can see what they are doing I guess).
I don't know how we didn't see them, but these crack heads are bold. They come in and cut out all the wire from the pump houses, they don't even pull the main, just short them out. Ive been luckey in that department, only melted the fuses in place on the disconnect and were scared off.

We are getting a new surface / tank double wall from the coop with a pump, I will run an electric disconnect switch to one of the barns to make it a bit more challenging for them...and a few trail cams placed around. It will probably be the neighbours kids.
Grant

Goose · Aug 19, 2015

I'm in the same situation, hauling gas for lawn mowers and tractors. I have an old two wheel trailer about the right size, and I'm thinking of trying a 55 gallon drum in it. Actually, I have two 300 gallon overhead tanks I no longer use but you'd dang near need a co-signer to fill one of those at the pump.

CBBC · Aug 19, 2015

Can you get a 30ga oil drum and a barrel pump? Im pretty sure the fuel suppliers used to even sell gas and diesel by the drum...probably some safety issue.

ChasK · Aug 19, 2015

As stated: try one of these.

Think of the time savings having it delivered verses you wasting all that time twice a week...

fixerupper · Aug 19, 2015

You can haul up to 110 gal without a hazmat endorsement as I understand it. More than that and you need a CDL with a hazmat endorsement. I don't know what the insurance/DOT container construction requirements are.

Chris in SK · Aug 19, 2015

Bulk tank and delivery is the easiest.
If you want to pick up fuel, don't you have 100 gal tanks for pick up trucks there? They are generally called slip tanks here. Most guys use them for refueling equipment off site. You can pick up used steel dome topped slip tanks here for about $100 - $200 at auction with a manual pump. I think they are about $600 new. Electric 12v 15gpm pump is about $350 new. Empty slip tank can be slid in and out of pick up truck bed by one guy in about 30 seconds, and is a nice fit between the wheel wells. I keep mine on a small stack of pallets, and just slide it in and out of the truck if I need it. A slip tank is way safer than hauling a barrel, or old truck fuel tank.
Chris

JRSutton · Aug 19, 2015

Maybe this varies by state - but I've never seen one of those tanks rated for gasoline - only for non flammable, such as diesel, kerosene, etc.

I know you CAN fill them with gas, but I'm not sure you're supposed to legally.

Chris in SK · Aug 19, 2015

Yeah, I think you are correct. I think the new ones have a sticker saying not for gas, but they have been used for years, especially when there was more gas powered farm equipment. Maybe its safety or an emissions thing, as they are vented.....I'm not sure. I know a few guys who use them for boat gas as well. If you buy a used tank I'm sure the sticker will be long gone, but it would probably be best to check with gas station/supplier and see if they will allow filling gas. I'm sure the same regs would apply to a barrel or old truck / combine tank.

john in la · Aug 19, 2015

I have posted this several times on here and still some of these guys are way off on there advise.

So here goes again.
For the average Joe;

Diesel fuel;
Diesel fuel is not regulated by DOT in containers less than 119 gallons.
So as long as you use containers less than 119 gallons you can haul as much as you want.
All of these slip in pickup bed tanks are rated for diesel only.

Gasoline;
Gasoline is a different story.
Gasoline is regulated in any quantity so you need to follow DOT haz-mat rules to haul any gasoline.
To allow people to haul gasoline home or at work the DOT has made a exemption for small quantities of different haz-mat materials.
They call these rules The Materials of Trade rules.
For gasoline it must be in a approved container listed in 173.6(b)(4) and 173.202 of the haz-mat rules.
This says the container must be approved plastic or metal; be red; and have the word "gasoline" on the container.
The container can not be over 8 gallons in size.
And you can not haul over 440 lbs in total at one time including the weight of the containers. That equates to about 50 gallons if you use plastic jugs.

Anything above what I have listed above requires
Shipping papers
Emergency response information
Formal training in the transportation of hazardous materials
and many other things.

So this is the rules.
It is now up to you if you follow them or not.
Materials of Trade

JRSutton · Aug 19, 2015

I'm sure it's nothing but a liability thing.

If they label it not for gas - you can't sue them when an 18 wheeler crashes into you, pops it, and it catches on fire.

Chris in SK · Aug 19, 2015

So it looks like cans are you only legal option. I guess you could rig a small pump into your trucks
fuel system maybe if you have a gas truck. Might be easier to switch to diesel tractor though!

Fatjay · Aug 19, 2015

Actually, my truck is a v10 gasser with a 44 gallon tank. Could fill the truck, drive home, unload it, and drive back to get more. Can't believe I didn't think of that earlier. Just need a holding tank and transfer pump in the garage. Come to think of it I also have a v8 diesel with a 44 gallon tank. Just never thought of siphoning the fuel out of it.

john in la · Aug 19, 2015

"Just need a holding tank and transfer pump in the garage"

While it would be nice to store the pump in your garage
I think your homeowners insurance (not to mention it's against the law) might frown on you storing a tank filled with 30 to 50 gallons of gasoline in your garage.

Lou from Wi. · Aug 19, 2015

fatjay,
Northern tool handles a gas caddy for different prices,link below.
Hope it helps,
LOU
gas caddy

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