ford 9700 vs case 1896

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tired1

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• Aug 10, 2015

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Hello. Need to have a bigger brain than mine. Looking at a ford 9700 and case 1896. The 9700 has about 130 hp, which i
would like, but about 9850 hours, not much history, looks nice, not much oil anywhere...and $13,000
the 1896 is about 95 hp i understand, has about 4200 hrs. again, not much history, believe hours are right. the only
comment the owner made that you must go to second gear first, and start out, thereafter you can go to any other gear.
can't figure that one out. they want $17000. sure wished the case was a bigger horse, i've got a smaller tandam disk
it should pull with no problem (14 foot), round baler should not be a problem. only thing might be a nh3 applicator with
nurse tank. i want to build a 15 or 20 foot shank applicator, with little rolling cutters so i could use in no till.
i would also like to pull a no till drill. i think it could do a 10 footer, but i doubt a 15 footer.

sure wished we had a few oil wells in the back yard !!!

 

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DeltaRed

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• Aug 10, 2015

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You wont go wrong with the 9700.Several Fords are around...GOOD tractors!

 

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JD Seller

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• Aug 11, 2015

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That is a high price on a Ford 9700 around here. They are lucky to break $10K in perfect shape around here. The Case is much more popular around here and I have not heard of many issues with the Case 1896.

 

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NY 986

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• Aug 11, 2015

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The 9700 should be half the price he is asking. Not much demand for 8XXX and 9XXX Fords here even if they are in perfect condition. A pretty nice 8600 a few years back at auction struggled to get to 5500 dollars.

 

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Chris in SK

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• Aug 11, 2015

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Based on what you are wanting to do I’d say the heavier 9700. As JDS said around here $8 - $10K max for a really good one. If it’s made it to 10,000 hours I wouldn’t be to concerned. (I’ve got an 8700 pushing 12,000 hrs). Check it over good. Make sure the trans is good in all gears and the Dual Power doesn’t slip in high or low and shifts firm. If you are used to slick shifting syncro / ps trans, stirring the big stick on the 9700 may take some getting used to, but they shift pretty good at higher speeds if you double de-clutch.

I don’t have any experience with the 1896, but that sounds like it could be one of the Case /David Brown tractors??? I think it’s a little light weight for what you want. I’m wary of those transmissions.

If you look around you might be able to find a Case Magnum 7110 or 7210 maybe in your price range. Real tough tractors. I had a 7140 which I sold and regretted it ever since!

Any old high hour’d tractor is a bit of a gamble. Good luck.

Chris

 

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Chris in SK

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• Aug 11, 2015

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Lot of difference between an 8600 and a 9700.

 

jon f mn

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• Aug 11, 2015

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The 1896 is not david brown based, it's cases last use of the 20/2294 rear end, but with the cummins engine. When they came out with the magnums they needed a smaller model so they put the cummins engine that is in the dodge pickups at the time on their 20/2294 rear. The 1896 is non-turbo, the 2096 is turbo'd. It should be similar i weight to the ford and is one of the most fuel efficient tractors ever made. The only complaints case folks had was since they were a lot less cubic inches they weren't hard pullers like the 20/22's were with the 504 case engine. The good news is both the engine and rear end can handle a turbo and 150 hp if he wanted to add it.

 

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NY 986

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• Aug 11, 2015

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Regardless those 8X00 or 9X00 tractors all do not bring a lot of interest here. Back in the day those sold to poor hill farm operations or tightwad farmers who bought solely based on price. If a guy was aching for an 8700 or 9700 tractor I would say wait a while for one to come up at auction and buy it for under 7000 dollars and take it back home to where they are highly valued. Not many left anymore here whether those or TWXX tractors and were not many to start. AC and White were more popular in the lower cost segment of the market here.

 

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Chris in SK

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• Aug 11, 2015

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Ok, the 1896 doesn't sound so bad now.....I'd still be looking for a small Magnum if he can find one in his price range.

 

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hd6gtom

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• Aug 11, 2015

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I have to agree with the other guys the 9700 is way too high priced compared to sales of other 9700's in central Iowa

 

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NY 986

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• Aug 11, 2015

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A good 7110 CaseIH is going to be considerably above 20,000 dollars and that is going to be a 2WD to boot.

 

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Bob Bancroft

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Aurora NY

• Aug 11, 2015

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I have a 15' JD no-till drill, (1590, I think) which I pull with a 90 HP CaseIH Maxxum MFWD 5230, no problem. I have the two point hitch. The engine in the 1896 might be the same as mine.

 

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Chris in SK

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• Aug 11, 2015

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He didn't say if any of them were FWA.
Must be a regional thing. Local NH dealer had a 7110 2WD, no loader approx. 10,000 hrs pretty good shape, ok tires, a couple of years ago. Trying to remember.... price was around $15k - $16k, I went and looked at it, but didn't buy it. Probably should have. They had it on the lot for several months.
I'd agree $7000 for a Ford 9700 at auction. Cheap, pretty reliable, low tech horse power. Reasonable cab that you could spend all day in... unlike the 8600 Ford.
He doesn't say where he is, but both tractors seem high priced to me.

 

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NY 986

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• Aug 11, 2015

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A legit 7110 2WD that has no mechanical concerns is well worth 15-16K to me. Might have bought one here for that before iron prices surged several years ago.

 

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Chris in SK

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• Aug 11, 2015

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Tractor Data puts the 9700 at 135hp and 17,480lbs 'ballasted weight', and the 1896 at 95hp and 13,495lbs 'with duals' both specs are for 2wd.

 

jon f mn

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• Aug 11, 2015

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You won't find one in decent shape around me for less than $25,000, junkers are 20k. The 1896 is about right price wise in good running condition. The trany problem is likely an electrical issue unless there is slip in one or more of the power shift gears. A good way to check those is to shift them while steering and working the 3pt. If there is slipping or problems with the 3pt or steering while shifting it signals potential trany problems.

 

jon f mn

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• Aug 11, 2015

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Sounds right, ballast would make them close since the 2294 was rated about 130 hp I figured they would be close. I know you can get the 2290/94's in the 12k class at the tractor pull by just running the tires dry. There was also a local that pulled a 9700 and tw20 ford in that class too.

 

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tired1

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• Aug 11, 2015

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Hello all. many thanks for the thoughts and imput. Well neither tractor has front wheel drive. I don't know why,
but seems like we are in a black hole here in kansas......tractor availability, crazy prices, and don't get me started
on the political headaches !!

still scratching my head. it the wheat prices were better, and things were more green around the local area, i'd look
for something better, but right night, just don't want to stick my head out too far..

again...thank you

 

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RodinNS

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• Aug 11, 2015

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I think they're both quite proud on the price.... The 9700 should be about half that much and the Case probably closer what they're asking for the Ford. I think someone may be off a bit on the weights tho... the 1896 is one damn heavy tractor, particularly for the power it has. A neighbor here had a 2096 that I know was ballasted to well over 20k. I would say if it had a turbo you could well turn it up to 150 hp if you wanted.... but with no turbo I don't think I'd turn it much over 100. All it'd do is make smoke and burn more fuel.
Don't know which one I'd buy in this case. I'm more inclined towards Ford anyway but the hours are high enough on that one that it could require a significant investment at any time...

Rod