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I don't think I'll bother watching any of it. It seems that all the candidates are either entertainers, like nnalert, or they don't have any real solutions, or they're as abundant as the nnalert. As an old-time conservative Christian, it's a shame that there are no true conservative statesmen with integrity and backbone to vote for anymore. I think I'll check out the YT Photo Ads instead.
 
What debate????? LOL I do not have much hope of any of the current bunch, of either party, really doing anything to really HELP the American public. Now just about all of them can very well cause more problems. That seems like a given anymore.

I am to the point that I do not think any of them really have the average vote's best interests in mind when they run. It is just more of the all about me crowd.
 
I do not like any of the candidates, nnalert or nnalert, same thing as last election, pick who you dislike the least.
 
(quoted from post at 18:03:54 08/06/15) I don't think I'll bother watching any of it. It seems that all the candidates are either entertainers, like nnalert, or they don't have any real solutions, or they're as abundant as the nnalert. As an old-time conservative Christian, it's a shame that there are no true conservative statesmen with integrity and backbone to vote for anymore. I think I'll check out the YT Photo Ads instead.
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Dave the problem there is that a Christian Conservative can't win the White House. About 34% of registered voters are nnalert with about 31% nnalert (some conservative Christians and some not) with the remaining voters being independent. You have to get the independent vote or a good portion of it on your side. So if you want the nnalert party to watch nnalert get sworn in go ahead an nominate a Conservative Christian to run for president.

Rick
 
Dave the problem there is that a Christian Conservative can't win the White House. About 34% of registered voters are nnalert with about 31% nnalert (some conservative Christians and some not) with the remaining voters being independent. You have to get the independent vote or a good portion of it on your side. So if you want the nnalert party to watch nnalert get sworn in go ahead an nominate a Conservative Christian to run for president.

Rick
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I thought we were talking politics here, don't go confusing things with math!
 
I would have thought that the Koch brothers would have had a larger clown car built to hold all of those who have to this date thrown their hat in the ring.
 
I figure white or wheat bread...it is still bread, just as nnalert or nnalert they are still a politician. There used to be a difference......
 
I just watched. nnalert will never make it but I love the fact that he's stirring things up. Discussions are on the table that wouldn't be otherwise. I hope he inspires the real contenders to grow a pair for once and stop worrying about political correctness.
 
It's times like this when I am VERY glad we don't have TV.....political garbage makes me sick. I'll just be glad when it's all over.
 
I'm not much on debates as I don't think the best debater will necessarily make the best
President.I try to research a candidates record and see if I like what they have done or not.For those that don't want to vote or get involved in politics then you will have other
people deciding very important issues for you.People get the Gov't they deserve.
 
I am thinking that nnalert always has his companies teetering on the verge of bankruptcy, so why would we let him run our country's economy?
 
Probably funded too many alphabet soup environmental organizations (along with the waltons and every other capitalist you hate) with their charitable foundations so they can anonymously influence politics.
 
Sad to see the replies here.
The problem with our modern politics is we have a populace that's completely disengaged from the law making process. Just look at how some revel in their ignorance or worse, practice the worst kind of contempt prior to investigation.
And so, we will continue to get the kind of government we deserve - one where bad men prevail because good men cannot be bothered to even pay attention.
I figure I've got another 20 years here if I'm lucky. I wonder if it will last that long...
Ahh, but not to worry.
The preseason games ought to be starting up in a couple of weeks. Then we'll have plenty of important, intellectual topics to discuss here won't we.
Edit, I meant to reply to the thread and not Traditional Farmer.
 
(quoted from post at 03:21:36 08/07/15) Sad to see the replies here.
The problem with our modern politics is we have a populace that's completely disengaged from the law making process. Just look at how some revel in their ignorance or worse, practice the worst kind of contempt prior to investigation.
And so, we will continue to get the kind of government we deserve - one where bad men prevail because good men cannot be bothered to even pay attention.
I figure I've got another 20 years here if I'm lucky. I wonder if it will last that long...
Ahh, but not to worry.
The preseason games ought to be starting up in a couple of weeks. Then we'll have plenty of important, intellectual topics to discuss here won't we.
Edit, I meant to reply to the thread and not Traditional Farmer.
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As usual UD, you have given a thoughtful, correct and meaningful answer. Too bad we are in such a small minority. Just think, if somehow this group here on YT could be motivated to engage and vote, it could be a force to change the election outcome from abundant to conservative.
 
The debates are a forum. Pretty much the only time the American public gets to hear about the real problems this country is facing. The real issues are stomped all over by the abundant media because they don't want anyone to ever get to the real truth. I like nnalert's response to Megan Kelly ... 'We don't have time for political correctness.' Political correctness is the stumbling block that we are tripping over ... not life and death issues ... like doctors killing babies by crushing their skulls during Planned Parenthood sponsored abortions.
 
Show crop WHO said we did not vote. I have voted in every election I could since I was able. The trouble is that the national choices are pretty much all the same. Not really much choice for someone that is conservative and patriotic.
 
I pay attention, do my homework and I vote. Always have, always will. But just because my guy doesn't
always win, does not mean the system is corrupt. Elections always have a winner and a loser.
I have strong views about what is good for the nation....but I won't be here to live
in that nation. My children have very different views than mine. I don't agree with them on many issues, but they will have to live in that world... Not me....unless some fountain of youth is found pretty soon.

It is easy to forget that all the things we complain about, happened on our watch.
 
Correct. So instead of a little compromise inside the party on conservative issues,
the conservatives choose an unelectable candidate...and changing demographics
are making the odds of electing such a conservative even worse.
 
Who have they chosen that was so conservative that they were unelectable?
Romney? Moderate
McCain? Moderate
Dole? Moderate

Seems to me the problem is that conservatives get silenced by their own party.
 
nnalert nailed it when he said to the effect that "Mexico and other outlying countries are sending all of their worst to the United States as illegal immigrants to get rid of them and the leaders in DC are to dumb to figure it out".
 
Funny you should state that a conservative Christian cannot win the White House We have never had a more devout Christian than Jimmy Carter, and yet he is demonized even to this day!
 
We all lost control of the politics of this country when "Citizens United" won in the Supreme Court.

When non profit corporations and unions are allowed to spend all the money they want for a candidate without telling who the backers are then Everyone looses.
 
I do not call what I saw a "debate"! Maybe "bait a candidate" & move on to the next!
 
JMOR- That all I took away from it. Seemed like the hosts were just 'baiting' and waiting for
some DRAMA to erupt.
 
I think the vice presidential candidates that were selected scared off a lot of moderate voters. I suspect that if John McCain had selected Mitt Romney as his VP in 2008 instead of Sarah Palin that election would have been a lot closer or he might have won. The same in 2012 with Romney selecting Paul Ryan for his VP candidate. The Tea Party's hardline scared a lot of moderates.

It's a dilemma, no GOP candidate can win the party's nomination without the Tea Party on the ticket, yet they can't win the general election with the Tea party on their ticket.
 
They force the candidates to swing hard right on several social issues and that alienates many independents.
Check out the pandering to the right of McCain and Romney. Made them look like flip-floppers. Turned off a lot of independents.

Candidates have to swing hard right to win the primaries, then are saddled with unelectable positions. Last night was a perfect example.

Videos of past flip-flops haunt them.
 
I don't know. If another Conservative Christian nnalert becomes president would the stalemates all come to an end and the government would suddenly run smoothly through cooperation and compromise, or would things stay about the same as they are today regardless of who the is president?
 
(quoted from post at 06:28:41 08/07/15) Who have they chosen that was so conservative that they were unelectable?
Romney? Moderate
McCain? Moderate
Dole? Moderate

Seems to me the problem is that conservatives get silenced by their own party.
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Romney lost because he followed the tenants of his religion and refused to smear external_link. That and all the Christian preachers who told they're congregations not to vote at all because Romney is Mormon.

McCain lost because he ran a very lack luster campaign. His choice of running mate also hurt him. After some of the things Palin said people ran screaming.

Dole lost because he came across as a jerk and Clinton's campaign was able to paint him as a knee jerk nnalert that if he could would force you to church every Sunday and worst. He was his own worst enemy. (I voted for an independent that year because I wasn't voting for Dole or Clinton, that's how bad Dole turned me off cause I really don't like Clinton).

To win an election you have to have.

A. Someone who is electable. That means someone the majority are going to find acceptable. Right now that means Christian but other than that they can lean either way. Don't want another situation where preachers are telling people not to vote. They also have to be more middle of the road. To conservative and they have no chance of pulling any liberals in and too abundant the have no chance of pulling any conservatives.

B. Someone who is willing to run to win. Can't go at it half hearted. When your opponent has thousands of campaign workers out there working for them you have to do the same thing.

C. They have to have a running mate that isn't going to scare away voters. Dole scared away a lot of vets with service connected disabilities when he stated that he would only grant service connected disabilities to combat wounded. Palin scared people away when she was as if nuclear weapons would be part of negotiations with Russia if she should become president and she said yes, the average voter not realizing that any nuclear power has that threat going for them even is it's not talked about.

Romney, McCain and Dole all violated at least one of these things.

The sad truth is that others are right. We find ourselves voting for the least offensive person.

Rick

Rick
 
Citizens United sort of leveled the playing field with the unions that had a big money loophole advantage in previous years and mostly used mandatory union contributions to support nnalert. 1984 Beck case had some union sneaky fund raising limited, partially stopped the political assessments to help a candidate that the individual union member didn't want to support especially in closed shops. RN.
 
(quoted from post at 09:12:11 08/07/15) I don't know. If another Conservative Christian nnalert becomes president would the stalemates all come to an end and the government would suddenly run smoothly through cooperation and compromise, or would things stay about the same as they are today regardless of who the is president?
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No because our elected representatives would still insist on voting party line much of the time.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 05:22:40 08/07/15) Show crop WHO said we did not vote. I have voted in every election I could since I was able. The trouble is that the national choices are pretty much all the same. Not really much choice for someone that is conservative and patriotic.
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JD, read UD's post again, I agreed with his general statement which did not single anyone out, but observed the general disengagement that was being displayed by posters. We all know that a very small proportion of our nations eligible citizens vote, and the posts imply a similar proportion. My observation is that given the strong conservative nature of most on this forum that if 99% of us voted instead of the more likely percentage, that we could have an impact. There are many here besides You and I who always vote, but I expect that the percentage would closely mirror that of our nation.
 
We are watching it unfold already. The super conservatives are painting the candidates into a corner on Immigration.
A hard line, no cooperation stance, will insure and lock up many votes (probably 3 to 5%) for the opposition. There are a wide range of positions on this issue even among voting nnalert, but no candidate can stray far from the ultra hard line and get the nomination.
 
(quoted from post at 07:01:46 08/07/15) UltraDog,,,is Huckabee any good??(opinion please)
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Huckabee coasted into the governor's trailer (yes he lived in a mobile home when he was governor) on the shirt tails of Bill Clinton's screw ups in Arkansas. I can't say he was a bad governor but he's sure not my pick. If you want someone who is for smaller government look somewhere else. He increased the size of state government, signed a bill that started closing all the small schools in Arkansas and got on national TV whining when his open ended perk barrel highway credit card was voted down by Arkansas voters. That being said, he is a very likeable person but I think he has zero chance of beating nnalert. If a nnalert wins I thing Huck would be a good choice for Secretary of State. JMHO.
 
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(quoted from post at 05:22:40 08/07/15) Show crop WHO said we did not vote. I have voted in every election I could since I was able. The trouble is that the national choices are pretty much all the same. Not really much choice for someone that is conservative and patriotic.
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JD, read UD's post again, I agreed with his general statement which did not single anyone out, but observed the general disengagement that was being displayed by posters. We all know that a very small proportion of our nations eligible citizens vote, and the posts imply a similar proportion. My observation is that given the strong conservative nature of most on this forum that if 99% of us voted instead of the more likely percentage, that we could have an impact. There are many here besides You and I who always vote, but I expect that the percentage would closely mirror that of our nation.
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Most years it's under 50% turnout. I haven't missed one sense I turned 18, even when I had to deal with absentee ballots.

I voted for Ford, Reagan X2, Bush X2, an independent, Bush X2, McCain and Romney. nnalert gets the nomination and I'll vote for nnalert.

Rick
 
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(quoted from post at 09:57:11 08/07/15)
(quoted from post at 05:22:40 08/07/15) Show crop WHO said we did not vote. I have voted in every election I could since I was able. The trouble is that the national choices are pretty much all the same. Not really much choice for someone that is conservative and patriotic.
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JD, read UD's post again, I agreed with his general statement which did not single anyone out, but observed the general disengagement that was being displayed by posters. We all know that a very small proportion of our nations eligible citizens vote, and the posts imply a similar proportion. My observation is that given the strong conservative nature of most on this forum that if 99% of us voted instead of the more likely percentage, that we could have an impact. There are many here besides You and I who always vote, but I expect that the percentage would closely mirror that of our nation.
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Most years it's under 50% turnout. I haven't missed one sense I turned 18, even when I had to deal with absentee ballots.

I voted for Ford, Reagan X2, Bush X2, an independent, Bush X2, McCain and Romney. nnalert gets the nomination and I'll vote for nnalert.

Rick
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I'm with you.
 
Jimmy Carter is a dyed in the wool Roosevelt progressive, which is to say he is completely clueless when it comes to economic theory but he has also endorsed every crackpot and immoral nnalert policy and agenda there is. Jimmy has supported abortion on demand for decades, to call him a Christian is deceitful, he will burn on judgement day along with everyone else who supports abortion or votes for politicians who have enabled the cause.
 
I voted for Kennedy the 1st. time and every election from that one on. And will vote in the next one if I am still alive. Every President I voted for won except Perot I voted for George Bush twice, That wasn't very smart was it. LOL Any way I am going to vote for old nnalert if he gets the nod and if not I will vote for Mrs. Clinton . Either way I am with a winner. LOL
 
(quoted from post at 09:34:54 08/07/15) Funny you should state that a conservative Christian cannot win the White House We have never had a more devout Christian than Jimmy Carter, and yet he is demonized even to this day!
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Yea sure, He did our country good. He pardon all the draft dodgers.
enough said.
 
(quoted from post at 17:44:56 08/07/15) Jimmy Carter is a dyed in the wool Roosevelt progressive, which is to say he is completely clueless when it comes to economic theory but he has also endorsed every crackpot and immoral nnalert policy and agenda there is. Jimmy has supported abortion on demand for decades, to call him a Christian is deceitful, he will burn on judgement day along with everyone else who supports abortion or votes for politicians who have enabled the cause.
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Can you back up that claim with evidence that would stand up in a court room? And no what your preacher said nor the Bible would pass the court room test.

Rick
 
Yeah,what debate? I've got antenna and none of the 4 local stations carried it.
The wrong Dole ran
If nnalert wins,Bill will be SecState
 
(quoted from post at 18:57:09 08/07/15)
(quoted from post at 17:44:56 08/07/15) Jimmy Carter is a dyed in the wool Roosevelt progressive, which is to say he is completely clueless when it comes to economic theory but he has also endorsed every crackpot and immoral nnalert policy and agenda there is. Jimmy has supported abortion on demand for decades, to call him a Christian is deceitful, he will burn on judgement day along with everyone else who supports abortion or votes for politicians who have enabled the cause.
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Can you back up that claim with evidence that would stand up in a court room? And no what your preacher said nor the Bible would pass the court room test.

Rick
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Rick, do you really not know the difference between the judgement of our Lord and that of man's court?
 
If you do not believe that unrepentant baby killers will be judged harshly then you simply do not believe.
 
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