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A fried of mine owns a 185 diesel and he moved away, not far but over an hour away milking cows for a guy as his job. The tractor has been sitting around at his moms place for a year not being used. So he made the stroll out on mothers day, used it to split some wood and told me I could use it if I wanted to. Handy little thing, it has a turbo on it, he said the dealer put it on the dyno and is putting out 110HP. Now why did Allis not put a decent live pto in these things? I would like it more if it had a better pto! All in all it is easy to get on and off, plenty of foot room and fun to drive. I admit, I kind of like it.
 
The transmission is not designed to handle 110 HP. If you start pulling heavy loads with that HP, you may find yourself paying for an expensive transmission rebuild.

I found 190XT's coming off the line at 120 HP because no one was checking the HP when the tractor rolled off the assembly line. I finally got the factory to check each new tractor at the end of the assembly line; they set the engine at 98 HP and warned dealers not to turn up the HP.

The company issued a service bulletin to increase the bearing preload on the shafts in the transmission because the excess HP was causing the shafts to flex (which reduced the tooth contact area) and caused transmission failures.

Good tractors if kept within the original design limits.
 
AC always aimed for the lower end market, building tractors with good features but at a lower cost. Independent pto costs more to design and build. If you don"t appreciate a live pto- no matter the design- drive a tractor with transmission pto, and you"ll see the advantage of any live setup. Regarding using the neighbor"s tractor....better have an understanding with him regarding maintenance and repair.
 
Not to worry about that, I am only using it for lite duty stuff like raking and might spray with it since it is already set for 30 rows. All the smaller tractors we have, 90hp and down are gas, so a little diesel tractor is a welcoming. I have bigger tractors get used for tillage.
 
Our 180 has been making 110hp since one year old and never gave a bit of trouble from trans or rear. It has plowed disced and cultivated you just have to be smart and not weight it, it will spin before it tears itself up. They are a real nice tractor with the turbo and once you get used to the hand clutch its not bad to use.
 
(quoted from post at 18:48:19 05/14/15) I gotta say, they are one ugly machine. Must have saved money on styling too. Yow.
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Ouch. Gotta disagree. As much as I dislike AC for cutting corners like they did and weak trannies I think the 100 series are cool looking.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 19:54:36 05/14/15) It is great you have a place deep in your heart for Allis Chalmers! LOL
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Nope, not at all! If you gave me one at the values here I'd have it crushed. Can't stand to have something I won't ever use sitting around and they have no value here.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 19:54:36 05/14/15) It is great you have a place deep in your heart for Allis Chalmers! LOL
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Old stanker never did know how to run one properly, so now he talks smack against them every chance he gets....just ignore him.
 
Most of the transmission problems on AC tractors were the operators crashing the gears trying to shift on the go.PTO set up is a little different but my wife has managed to master it in a few hrs of driving an AC so you'd think some grown men could figure it out after awhile(LOL)
 
Do you have an agreement about who pays for repairs if something happens while you are using it? If not, friendship may be lost and hard feelings all around. Better not to be a borrower. If you like the tractor offer to buy it, and if he does not want to sell, let it sit where it is. Tom
 
I bought one last fall , first allis here . Knew it had an issue with first gear . It's completely gutted in my shop right now , parts ship today . The small amount I used it in the fall I must admit I was happy with it . Didn't pay too much for it so another 800 or so in parts I'll have a decent machine. I will say I didn't realize you have to pull so much off to get the gears out but at least I didn't pay someone to do it .
 
Not bad tractors other than being sssllllloooowwwwww. I wouldn't want to drive one too far. The hand clutch is nice on a round baler. If it plugs all you need is a hill it will roll down and you have a reversible pto to back the slug out.
 
He has offered to sell it to me a couple times before, I just never ran one before, I thought it would be worse with the different pto.
 
I never let peoples opinions bother me from mine, have to be like that. I like Massey, and many people are apposed to them.
 
(quoted from post at 02:00:18 05/15/15) Not bad tractors other than being sssllllloooowwwwww. I wouldn't want to drive one too far. The hand clutch is nice on a round baler. If it plugs all you need is a hill it will roll down and you have a reversible pto to back the slug out.
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I have round baled a little with friends AC185 and I'm curious a bout cleaning a slug out. Go up a hill with pto engaged and just roll back?
 
(quoted from post at 21:45:51 05/14/15)
(quoted from post at 19:54:36 05/14/15) It is great you have a place deep in your heart for Allis Chalmers! LOL
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Old stanker never did know how to run one properly, so now he talks smack against them every chance he gets....just ignore him.
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Eldon likes to insult people on here and say things that he would never say to their face because it's easy to hide behind a computer screen.

And I do know how to run one properly Eldon. I just don't care to run one when there are much better options out there. And having owned one and used it, and been fortunate enough to have both the money and knowledge to get rid of it for a better tractor makes me very happy. It also makes me happy to point out the many short comings of the AC tractors built from the late 50's through the early 70's and possibly keep someone from making an expensive mistake. Ever been in the tranny on a 190XT series III? Then get inside the tranny of a similar sized IH tractor from the same year. No wonder they were known for tranny issues too.

AC it those days went after the customer who either couldn't afford a JD or IH or were just too cheap to buy something more advanced and were willing to tolerate a substandard (yes, substandard, everyone else had gone to IPTO by then so the PD live PTO was outdated and substandard).

Heck I was very excited about getting a Series III 190XT. Then after owning it for a couple of years and finding out just how many corners AC cut just to make a sale and how ridiculous the live PTO system was compared to IPTO, offered on JD as early as 1949, IH in 1955, Case in 1960 and even MF in the early 60's yet AC didn't offer IPTO on a tractor built in 1971? Heck Cat beat AC to the punch with the first AG crawler being offered with a Turbo before the D series was even introduced. And a turbo was nothing new, it was a cheap way to get more power out of an engine. So you could build an engine for one tractor, turbo it up and make a larger tractor without the expense of designing and building another engine.


Little knowledge goes a long way. Much further than uninformed insults.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 00:00:53 05/15/15) Most of the transmission problems on AC tractors were the operators crashing the gears trying to shift on the go.PTO set up is a little different but my wife has managed to master it in a few hrs of driving an AC so you'd think some grown men could figure it out after awhile(LOL)
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Exactly.....LOL!
 
(quoted from post at 07:02:01 05/15/15)
(quoted from post at 21:45:51 05/14/15)
(quoted from post at 19:54:36 05/14/15) It is great you have a place deep in your heart for Allis Chalmers! LOL
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Old stanker never did know how to run one properly, so now he talks smack against them every chance he gets....just ignore him.
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Eldon likes to insult people on here and say things that he would never say to their face because it's easy to hide behind a computer screen.

And I do know how to run one properly Eldon. I just don't care to run one when there are much better options out there. And having owned one and used it, and been fortunate enough to have both the money and knowledge to get rid of it for a better tractor makes me very happy. It also makes me happy to point out the many short comings of the AC tractors built from the late 50's through the early 70's and possibly keep someone from making an expensive mistake. Ever been in the tranny on a 190XT series III? Then get inside the tranny of a similar sized IH tractor from the same year. No wonder they were known for tranny issues too.

AC it those days went after the customer who either couldn't afford a JD or IH or were just too cheap to buy something more advanced and were willing to tolerate a substandard (yes, substandard, everyone else had gone to IPTO by then so the PD live PTO was outdated and substandard).

Heck I was very excited about getting a Series III 190XT. Then after owning it for a couple of years and finding out just how many corners AC cut just to make a sale and how ridiculous the live PTO system was compared to IPTO, offered on JD as early as 1949, IH in 1955, Case in 1960 and even MF in the early 60's yet AC didn't offer IPTO on a tractor built in 1971? Heck Cat beat AC to the punch with the first AG crawler being offered with a Turbo before the D series was even introduced. And a turbo was nothing new, it was a cheap way to get more power out of an engine. So you could build an engine for one tractor, turbo it up and make a larger tractor without the expense of designing and building another engine.


Little knowledge goes a long way. Much further than uninformed insults.

Rick
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Rick you are the one that makes it a point to make a negative comment on any AC post on this page....very juvenile if you ask me. As far as insinuating that I can't afford a better brand, think again. I have no mortgage and a net worth you can truly be jealous of. As for hiding behind a computer, I have posted my picture and location on here many times...so you know where I live and what I look like. Come on over for a chat...or at least let's see a picture of you..I'm really curious LOL!
 
Agreed. Not so much hideously ugly, just awkward looking. Sorta homely. I gotta say though, those little whistlers are kinda sweet sounding.
 
(quoted from post at 07:53:52 05/15/15)
(quoted from post at 07:02:01 05/15/15)
(quoted from post at 21:45:51 05/14/15)
(quoted from post at 19:54:36 05/14/15) It is great you have a place deep in your heart for Allis Chalmers! LOL
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Old stanker never did know how to run one properly, so now he talks smack against them every chance he gets....just ignore him.
Click to expand...

Eldon likes to insult people on here and say things that he would never say to their face because it's easy to hide behind a computer screen.

And I do know how to run one properly Eldon. I just don't care to run one when there are much better options out there. And having owned one and used it, and been fortunate enough to have both the money and knowledge to get rid of it for a better tractor makes me very happy. It also makes me happy to point out the many short comings of the AC tractors built from the late 50's through the early 70's and possibly keep someone from making an expensive mistake. Ever been in the tranny on a 190XT series III? Then get inside the tranny of a similar sized IH tractor from the same year. No wonder they were known for tranny issues too.

AC it those days went after the customer who either couldn't afford a JD or IH or were just too cheap to buy something more advanced and were willing to tolerate a substandard (yes, substandard, everyone else had gone to IPTO by then so the PD live PTO was outdated and substandard).

Heck I was very excited about getting a Series III 190XT. Then after owning it for a couple of years and finding out just how many corners AC cut just to make a sale and how ridiculous the live PTO system was compared to IPTO, offered on JD as early as 1949, IH in 1955, Case in 1960 and even MF in the early 60's yet AC didn't offer IPTO on a tractor built in 1971? Heck Cat beat AC to the punch with the first AG crawler being offered with a Turbo before the D series was even introduced. And a turbo was nothing new, it was a cheap way to get more power out of an engine. So you could build an engine for one tractor, turbo it up and make a larger tractor without the expense of designing and building another engine.


Little knowledge goes a long way. Much further than uninformed insults.

Rick
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Rick you are the one that makes it a point to make a negative comment on any AC post on this page....very juvenile if you ask me. As far as insinuating that I can't afford a better brand, think again. I have no mortgage and a net worth you can truly be jealous of. As for hiding behind a computer, I have posted my picture and location on here many times...so you know where I live and what I look like. Come on over for a chat...or at least let's see a picture of you..I'm really curious LOL!
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(quoted from post at 07:53:52 05/15/15)
(quoted from post at 07:02:01 05/15/15)
(quoted from post at 21:45:51 05/14/15)
(quoted from post at 19:54:36 05/14/15) It is great you have a place deep in your heart for Allis Chalmers! LOL
Click to expand...

Old stanker never did know how to run one properly, so now he talks smack against them every chance he gets....just ignore him.
Click to expand...

Eldon likes to insult people on here and say things that he would never say to their face because it's easy to hide behind a computer screen.

And I do know how to run one properly Eldon. I just don't care to run one when there are much better options out there. And having owned one and used it, and been fortunate enough to have both the money and knowledge to get rid of it for a better tractor makes me very happy. It also makes me happy to point out the many short comings of the AC tractors built from the late 50's through the early 70's and possibly keep someone from making an expensive mistake. Ever been in the tranny on a 190XT series III? Then get inside the tranny of a similar sized IH tractor from the same year. No wonder they were known for tranny issues too.

AC it those days went after the customer who either couldn't afford a JD or IH or were just too cheap to buy something more advanced and were willing to tolerate a substandard (yes, substandard, everyone else had gone to IPTO by then so the PD live PTO was outdated and substandard).

Heck I was very excited about getting a Series III 190XT. Then after owning it for a couple of years and finding out just how many corners AC cut just to make a sale and how ridiculous the live PTO system was compared to IPTO, offered on JD as early as 1949, IH in 1955, Case in 1960 and even MF in the early 60's yet AC didn't offer IPTO on a tractor built in 1971? Heck Cat beat AC to the punch with the first AG crawler being offered with a Turbo before the D series was even introduced. And a turbo was nothing new, it was a cheap way to get more power out of an engine. So you could build an engine for one tractor, turbo it up and make a larger tractor without the expense of designing and building another engine.


Little knowledge goes a long way. Much further than uninformed insults.

Rick
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Rick you are the one that makes it a point to make a negative comment on any AC post on this page....very juvenile if you ask me. As far as insinuating that I can't afford a better brand, think again. I have no mortgage and a net worth you can truly be jealous of. As for hiding behind a computer, I have posted my picture and location on here many times...so you know where I live and what I look like. Come on over for a chat...or at least let's see a picture of you..I'm really curious LOL!
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What's a picture? I've never seen your picture. I wasn't the one being insulting, you were. But I checked that off as being from someone uninformed about me, my knowledge or abilities. In other words someone who is ignorant. Seeing as yer offering and you now darn well no one is going to drive over a thousand miles to meet you over a beef on here. So who's childish here?

For a picture, well most of the time I'm on the wrong side of the camera. As ugly as I am that may be a good thing. But here you go, best I could find fast.


mvphoto20862.jpg


Now gee didn't a picture make all the difference in the world? It doesn't tell you my abilities at all. It doesn't tell you if I'm a fighter or a lover. All it tells you is I look scruffy and have grey hair. Will it help for you to know that I'm 6'5" and 250 pounds? No cause I wouldn't bother driving across the street to meet you much less driving clear out to WA

So ok, you have brand loyalty to a defunct company that IMO made substandard products. Lot of other folks did/do too. That's reflected in sales when AC was still making tractors and today with what they sell for. You put a 185 or 190 on the block next to a similar condition JD or IH of the same size/age and the IH and JD will bring at least 3 times the money. So I'm not the only one who doesn't think much of them. But do I tell you that you are stupid or unable to run something because you like them? No. Do I get insulting? No. So what if I try to warn people off of them? Tell me you want a show tractor and you want to do a 190 or 185 and heck I'll help you. Try telling me what a great tractor they are for work today and I'll call you on it every time.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 07:53:52 05/15/15)
(quoted from post at 07:02:01 05/15/15)
(quoted from post at 21:45:51 05/14/15)
(quoted from post at 19:54:36 05/14/15) It is great you have a place deep in your heart for Allis Chalmers! LOL
Click to expand...

Old stanker never did know how to run one properly, so now he talks smack against them every chance he gets....just ignore him.
Click to expand...

Eldon likes to insult people on here and say things that he would never say to their face because it's easy to hide behind a computer screen.

And I do know how to run one properly Eldon. I just don't care to run one when there are much better options out there. And having owned one and used it, and been fortunate enough to have both the money and knowledge to get rid of it for a better tractor makes me very happy. It also makes me happy to point out the many short comings of the AC tractors built from the late 50's through the early 70's and possibly keep someone from making an expensive mistake. Ever been in the tranny on a 190XT series III? Then get inside the tranny of a similar sized IH tractor from the same year. No wonder they were known for tranny issues too.

AC it those days went after the customer who either couldn't afford a JD or IH or were just too cheap to buy something more advanced and were willing to tolerate a substandard (yes, substandard, everyone else had gone to IPTO by then so the PD live PTO was outdated and substandard).

Heck I was very excited about getting a Series III 190XT. Then after owning it for a couple of years and finding out just how many corners AC cut just to make a sale and how ridiculous the live PTO system was compared to IPTO, offered on JD as early as 1949, IH in 1955, Case in 1960 and even MF in the early 60's yet AC didn't offer IPTO on a tractor built in 1971? Heck Cat beat AC to the punch with the first AG crawler being offered with a Turbo before the D series was even introduced. And a turbo was nothing new, it was a cheap way to get more power out of an engine. So you could build an engine for one tractor, turbo it up and make a larger tractor without the expense of designing and building another engine.


Little knowledge goes a long way. Much further than uninformed insults.

Rick
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Rick you are the one that makes it a point to make a negative comment on any AC post on this page....very juvenile if you ask me. As far as insinuating that I can't afford a better brand, think again. I have no mortgage and a net worth you can truly be jealous of. As for hiding behind a computer, I have posted my picture and location on here many times...so you know where I live and what I look like. Come on over for a chat...or at least let's see a picture of you..I'm really curious LOL!
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Oh I forgot to ad I'm about 6 miles east of Battle Lake MN just off on MN 210. You happy now?

As far as mastering it I ran it for 2 years. Just because I mastered it doesn't mean I like it. But then I've mastered the M60 series and M1/M1A1 tanks, dozers, loaders, graders, scrappers, TLB's and other construction equipment, a large selection of military small arm weapons too. Like I say when you accuse me of not knowing how to run an AC with the PD you are showing your ignorance. I just find that it's inconvenient compared to many better tractors that were not also infamous for tranny issues. Granted most of those issues were operator inflected but on the other hand the other tractor makers of the day built their trannies to take the abuse they knew farmers were going to heap on a tractor so why didn't AC do the same thing? So any time someone starts saying how great AC was I merely point out their many flaws.

And what's net worth got to do with anything? My total debt load is under 40K and my net worth with the farm land puts me up there pretty good too. Don't make any better or worse than the next man.


Rick
 
(quoted from post at 10:29:38 05/15/15)
(quoted from post at 07:53:52 05/15/15)
(quoted from post at 07:02:01 05/15/15)
(quoted from post at 21:45:51 05/14/15)
(quoted from post at 19:54:36 05/14/15) It is great you have a place deep in your heart for Allis Chalmers! LOL
Click to expand...

Old stanker never did know how to run one properly, so now he talks smack against them every chance he gets....just ignore him.
Click to expand...

Eldon likes to insult people on here and say things that he would never say to their face because it's easy to hide behind a computer screen.

And I do know how to run one properly Eldon. I just don't care to run one when there are much better options out there. And having owned one and used it, and been fortunate enough to have both the money and knowledge to get rid of it for a better tractor makes me very happy. It also makes me happy to point out the many short comings of the AC tractors built from the late 50's through the early 70's and possibly keep someone from making an expensive mistake. Ever been in the tranny on a 190XT series III? Then get inside the tranny of a similar sized IH tractor from the same year. No wonder they were known for tranny issues too.

AC it those days went after the customer who either couldn't afford a JD or IH or were just too cheap to buy something more advanced and were willing to tolerate a substandard (yes, substandard, everyone else had gone to IPTO by then so the PD live PTO was outdated and substandard).

Heck I was very excited about getting a Series III 190XT. Then after owning it for a couple of years and finding out just how many corners AC cut just to make a sale and how ridiculous the live PTO system was compared to IPTO, offered on JD as early as 1949, IH in 1955, Case in 1960 and even MF in the early 60's yet AC didn't offer IPTO on a tractor built in 1971? Heck Cat beat AC to the punch with the first AG crawler being offered with a Turbo before the D series was even introduced. And a turbo was nothing new, it was a cheap way to get more power out of an engine. So you could build an engine for one tractor, turbo it up and make a larger tractor without the expense of designing and building another engine.


Little knowledge goes a long way. Much further than uninformed insults.

Rick
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Rick you are the one that makes it a point to make a negative comment on any AC post on this page....very juvenile if you ask me. As far as insinuating that I can't afford a better brand, think again. I have no mortgage and a net worth you can truly be jealous of. As for hiding behind a computer, I have posted my picture and location on here many times...so you know where I live and what I look like. Come on over for a chat...or at least let's see a picture of you..I'm really curious LOL!
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(quoted from post at 07:53:52 05/15/15)
(quoted from post at 07:02:01 05/15/15)
(quoted from post at 21:45:51 05/14/15)
(quoted from post at 19:54:36 05/14/15) It is great you have a place deep in your heart for Allis Chalmers! LOL
Click to expand...

Old stanker never did know how to run one properly, so now he talks smack against them every chance he gets....just ignore him.
Click to expand...

Eldon likes to insult people on here and say things that he would never say to their face because it's easy to hide behind a computer screen.

And I do know how to run one properly Eldon. I just don't care to run one when there are much better options out there. And having owned one and used it, and been fortunate enough to have both the money and knowledge to get rid of it for a better tractor makes me very happy. It also makes me happy to point out the many short comings of the AC tractors built from the late 50's through the early 70's and possibly keep someone from making an expensive mistake. Ever been in the tranny on a 190XT series III? Then get inside the tranny of a similar sized IH tractor from the same year. No wonder they were known for tranny issues too.

AC it those days went after the customer who either couldn't afford a JD or IH or were just too cheap to buy something more advanced and were willing to tolerate a substandard (yes, substandard, everyone else had gone to IPTO by then so the PD live PTO was outdated and substandard).

Heck I was very excited about getting a Series III 190XT. Then after owning it for a couple of years and finding out just how many corners AC cut just to make a sale and how ridiculous the live PTO system was compared to IPTO, offered on JD as early as 1949, IH in 1955, Case in 1960 and even MF in the early 60's yet AC didn't offer IPTO on a tractor built in 1971? Heck Cat beat AC to the punch with the first AG crawler being offered with a Turbo before the D series was even introduced. And a turbo was nothing new, it was a cheap way to get more power out of an engine. So you could build an engine for one tractor, turbo it up and make a larger tractor without the expense of designing and building another engine.


Little knowledge goes a long way. Much further than uninformed insults.

Rick
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Rick you are the one that makes it a point to make a negative comment on any AC post on this page....very juvenile if you ask me. As far as insinuating that I can't afford a better brand, think again. I have no mortgage and a net worth you can truly be jealous of. As for hiding behind a computer, I have posted my picture and location on here many times...so you know where I live and what I look like. Come on over for a chat...or at least let's see a picture of you..I'm really curious LOL!
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What's a picture? I've never seen your picture. I wasn't the one being insulting, you were. But I checked that off as being from someone uninformed about me, my knowledge or abilities. In other words someone who is ignorant. Seeing as yer offering and you now darn well no one is going to drive over a thousand miles to meet you over a beef on here. So who's childish here?

For a picture, well most of the time I'm on the wrong side of the camera. As ugly as I am that may be a good thing. But here you go, best I could find fast.


mvphoto20862.jpg


Now gee didn't a picture make all the difference in the world? It doesn't tell you my abilities at all. It doesn't tell you if I'm a fighter or a lover. All it tells you is I look scruffy and have grey hair. Will it help for you to know that I'm 6'5" and 250 pounds? No cause I wouldn't bother driving across the street to meet you much less driving clear out to WA

So ok, you have brand loyalty to a defunct company that IMO made substandard products. Lot of other folks did/do too. That's reflected in sales when AC was still making tractors and today with what they sell for. You put a 185 or 190 on the block next to a similar condition JD or IH of the same size/age and the IH and JD will bring at least 3 times the money. So I'm not the only one who doesn't think much of them. But do I tell you that you are stupid or unable to run something because you like them? No. Do I get insulting? No. So what if I try to warn people off of them? Tell me you want a show tractor and you want to do a 190 or 185 and heck I'll help you. Try telling me what a great tractor they are for work today and I'll call you on it every time.

Rick
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Yep...a picture IS worth a thousand words....no need to write an essay LOL! My apologies....
 
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