tractor accident kills 2

bill mart · May 3, 2015

is this model prone to flipping over backwards or maybe was chain hooked too high ?
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Dave H (MI) · May 3, 2015

I don't know the model but it looks the type. Anyone hooking a chain on a 3pt is going to find trouble sooner or later if that is what happened. Terrible tragedy.

oldtanker · May 3, 2015

(quoted from post at 16:28:32 05/03/15) is this model prone to flipping over backwards or maybe was chain hooked too high ?
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Not any more than any other tractor if you take into account the attempted job and with weight of tractor and object adjusted to account for each tractor class. this type of accident is normally a case of the operator not having the knowledge or experence to do what they are doing.

Rick

Traditional Farmer · May 3, 2015

Farm tractors ain't built to be stump pullers

oldtanker · May 3, 2015

(quoted from post at 16:44:46 05/03/15) Farm tractors ain't built to be stump pullers

Well said.

Rick

Switchflicker · May 3, 2015

(quoted from post at 01:04:58 05/04/15)

(quoted from post at 16:44:46 05/03/15) Farm tractors ain't built to be stump pullers

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Well said.

Rick

The only tractor I have is a 2N. It is mostly used for cutting grass, but at times I do other stuff with it.

Is there a safe way to pull a stump or to drag a felled tree?

As you may be able to tell, I'm not a farmer. Just live in a farming area.

Thanks

tim s · May 3, 2015

Yes, models like this "do" flip over backwards very easily when you hook a chain to the top link mount, several have been killed around here like that..

JD Seller · May 3, 2015

That looks like a TO-20 or TO-30 both at the same size as an Ford 2N or 8N. I would bet he hooked to the top link mount as most of these tractors did not have a drawbar mount. It is sad and stupid as well. The older man should never have had the grand son around when trying something like this.

Many people think a tractor is a BIG tool. Well I hate to tell you that a little Ferguson or Ford tractor is not much when trying to do something like this. A good four wheel drive pickup will pull as much as those smaller tractors.

It is a shame that the family lost two generations at the same time.

sotxbill · May 3, 2015

If he had pulled from the 3pt, or drawbar, both would still be alive.. pulling from axle or top link bracket and it will flip over evertime.

There are also issues with sloping ground that can be an issue, but the 3 pt and drawbar both pull from under the rear axle and just in front of the center line of the rear axle... This means when used, it can only pull the tractor down and not over... meaning that the engine will stall or the tires will spin...

rick1 · May 3, 2015

thats why i always pull off the rear of a 3-point back blade.pretty hard to flip one that way.
RICK

old-9 · May 3, 2015

Safe way most likely not according to most on this site. That said I have pulled several "small" trees/ bushes with my Fords, I hook to draw bar shortas possable and use reverse. Yes back up , the pull is down on rear tires giving more traction and cannot pull the front "up". You have to be able to drive/ back over the bush. Now that said other things can go wrong , like chain breaking, damage to tractor, falling off, etc. Never do something stupid with a child with you or even close to you. Above all go slow and if it does not seem right, STOP. joe

centash · May 3, 2015

Pulling in reverse will put more weight on the rear tires.....and less on the fronts....guess which way the tractor will go if it hit something solid and didn't spin

Be careful.

Ben

Billy NY · May 3, 2015

That is truly sad and tragic. All they needed was some sage advice, don't do things like this with a tractor such as this, they come up easy when rigged off to something firm in the ground, top link or drawbar connection to the line. I lost a relative on my fathers side the same exact way several years ago, a 9N and a small crawler that was stuck. Its hard to comprehend that they don't see this like a mouse trap, tension that line and it can pop over so fast you can't react,pinning and suffocating you.

Ivan in Mich · May 3, 2015

I have a te20 and with my 3 point 5 foot disk on it when I raise it up the front gets light

BushogPapa · May 3, 2015

Always have the Drawbar Long AND use a long Clevis on the drawbar..

Never hook to the Top-Link area...I have had to pull a fella out from under one and it was NOT pretty...

Ron..

Bret4207 · May 4, 2015

I'm not sure it "flipped over backwards". It sounds to me more like it slid sideways and rolled over, into a ditch maybe.

I've pulled for years with a similar Ford and other tractors, both wide front and tricycle. I did almost roll into a ditch once with a load of firewood on a carry all, but I've never come close to "flipping over backwards". I've come up hills dragging logs where the front end was off the ground a foot and there was no way I was going to flip backwards. I know it must happen, I just don't see how unless people are going a lot faster and have lots slower reflexes than I do.

No matter, it's still an awful event. Thoughts and prayers to the family.

MarkB_MI · May 4, 2015

Why was a seven-year-old boy close enough to get killed? Sounds like the grandfather had poor judgment in more than just tractor operation.

JML755 · May 4, 2015

(quoted from post at 20:52:54 05/03/15) ....... 3 pt and drawbar both pull from under the rear axle and just in front of the center line of the rear axle... [b:7dbce26493]This means when used, it can only pull the tractor down and not over... meaning that the engine will stall or the tires will spin...[/[/b:7dbce26493]quote]

I second that. Last year, I did some pulling of small clumps of trees and a few bushes that were REALLY stuck in there with my Ford 3600. Hooked with a 3/8" chain to the drawbar. A couple that didn't pop out right away caused the front to come up slightly but then the rear tires just dug in and spun. Had to chop away some big roots and then they came out.

Dan Richardson · May 4, 2015

Yes it is a tragedy as are all farm accidents. It sure is easy to blame someone when they're dead.

Traditional Farmer · May 4, 2015

What will flip any tractor is lining up with what is being pulled on an angle and then
'snatching' it,the tractor pulls sideways and if the tires are dug in the tractor will flip over.

M-MAN · May 4, 2015

Such a tragedy. I've came close several times on my little M back in my younger day's. All it takes is power to the ground and one little slip.

Blackhole49 · May 4, 2015

Disagree. The front end goes in the opposite the direction of the tire rotation when pulling and the rears lock up. Biting in reverse would force the front end down. As always, be careful.

centash · May 4, 2015

True, but if enough downward force was exerted on the end of the drawbar, it would tend to pull the front up---granted, that may be more that the tractor in question could exert---and I do agree whole heartedly--be careful and use the tractor for that which it is designed.

Ben

BushogPapa · May 4, 2015

You are missing the point...!

If the chain was attached to the Upper Link attachment position, the tractor will go over backwards BEFORE you can react..

Nothing is more dangerous than this mistake and more and more young people are not aware of the dangers of making mistakes..

So many young people have no conception of what a "Safe Operator" means..they are more into pulling wheelies and Proud of how many Clutches they have torn out..

When they don't grow up around proper operation and a lifetime of guidance, no equipment is safe enough..

Ron.

Bhunt · May 4, 2015

(quoted from post at 00:28:32 05/04/15) is this model prone to flipping over backwards or maybe was chain hooked too high ?
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[/quote]On a case sc tricycle don't ever hook up the tractor to a stump particularly with the chain lower than the draw bar The drawbar really sets to high. Don't know if it will flip but I guarantee it will pick the front end up. The only good thing about it is the hand clutch is pulled back to disengage on the model I have. I learned to pull from some points under the front that are in the casting in reverse the worst thing I have had happen pulling that way is it will spin the wheels.

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