Hydraulic hose ends

super99 · Apr 28, 2015

I'm not sure where to post this, so I'll put it here. The hydraulic hoses for the markers are getting pretty rough on my White 5100 planter. They are small hoses, I think 1/4", the plastic coating is gone from the outside. At work we make hydraulic hoses for the fork lifts we build, lots of 1/4"hose, they will make me new hoses, but the only ends they have are the kind with a O ring on them in 3/8". The ones on the planter are regular pipe threads. I looked in a Sloan Express catalog, and they have 3/4 o ring to 3/8 jic adapters. Not sure where to look for adapter to go from o ring to jic fittings. Where can I buy hose ends for 1/4" hose with 1/4" pipe threads on them and then I could have them make me the hoses? Thanks, Chris

VicS · Apr 28, 2015

Northern will have them. Our local auto parts store has them as well. They make all types of Hyd lines.

mtf · Apr 28, 2015

Universal hose and fittings.com

Dave Sherburne, NY · Apr 28, 2015

Surplus Center has them
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moresmoke · Apr 28, 2015

Discounthydraulichose.com Order the crimp on ends you need, then have the hoses made up at work.

tom upton · Apr 28, 2015

be carefull crimping fittings on hose that are different brands. As you probably know there are crimp dia specs for the o.d. of hose end. This dia varies from make to make. Also hose O.D. varies from make to make. Just make sure the hose ends you get match the hose you have, and crimp to the proper spec. I would think you should be able to order the proper ends from whoever you order the O-ring boss ends from at work?

paul · Apr 29, 2015

I'm a real dummy when it comes to the very many types of hyd hose ends, but wouldn't something like this pic work?

You go from your 3/8 o ring to 1:2 inch pipe?

This is more of a question than an answer tho, I get lost on the naming of all these types of hose ends....

This PDF is an interesting guide to the many hyd ends.....

http://www.discounthydraulichose.com/v/vspfiles/downloadables/thread_guide.pdf

Paul
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Mike M · Apr 29, 2015

I'd buy the proper ends from whoever supplies your work. They hopefully will know what hose you are using and get the correct ones for it.

El Toro · Apr 29, 2015

You could take the fitting that's used on the forklifts and cut it and then weld it to a pipe fitting that will fit your planter then you can use the hoses used the fork lifts. We tested foreign vehicles and they had extra fittings and we would cut one of our tube fittings and one of their fitting's and weld them. Hal

J. Schwiebert · Apr 29, 2015

You need to get the ends from the hose manufacture. There are differences between different hose manufactures. By not following that rule is why law suits happen when failures occur. What brand of hose do they have at work?

oldrocks · Apr 29, 2015

You could always switch out the hose end for an adapter, such as male jic to male sae o-ring boss. Then make a hose with -4 jic female swivels on each end. Shouldn't be too expensive, I work for a Parker distributor, that is how we would fix that problem.
Pat

paul · Apr 29, 2015

So this would be my understanding:

Sae means O ring, 6 means 3/8 inch, F means female. That would fit your company's hose end?

And 1/2 means 1/2 inch, NPT means pipe thread, M means male, which would fit your typical quick connector tip?

As others suggest, I would not want to mix and match crimp on fittings, nor upset the apple cart at work, let them do what they know how to do, 3/8 inch ends.......

Paul

oldrocks · Apr 29, 2015

Sorry, I posted hastily in my first reply, I thought you had o-ring sae threads on your planter. The adapter you need would be a 1/4" jic male to your pipe thread size, either 1/4 or 3/8". Then use the female jic swivel ends on the hose. Sorry for not paying better attention first time around. Just trying to help from work computer, and it is early still.
MMMMMM coffee!
Pat

paul · Apr 29, 2015

He did kinda lose me when he brought up JIC too...... I think that is not actually part of his discussion tho not sure why he threw that in?

I find the many hyd fittings to be terribly confusing.

In another thread somewhere on a farm forum, some said all pipe thread fittings should be thrown away as they aren't reliable, should use one of the fancier types.

For me, pipe thread is what all the common hoses have, all the tips have, and they just last for a long, long time. The ones that give me trouble and leak or break down every 5 years are the miserable ones with O rings on them, always a puddle of oil around those, that finer thread always strips out, blah.

Give me pipe thread any day of the week.

Paul

oldrocks · Apr 29, 2015

Paul, I also think that the o-ring fittings and adapters are not the best thing out there. I think manufacturers use them alot on the newer higher pressure machines. I really like the jic flare fittings the best, then pipe thread. I know the adapter thing can be confusing, but it is what I do, so I just try to help find the best solutions available.
Pat

DLMKA · Apr 29, 2015

(quoted from post at 08:09:02 04/29/15) Paul, I also think that the o-ring fittings and adapters are not the best thing out there. I think manufacturers use them alot on the newer higher pressure machines. I really like the jic flare fittings the best, then pipe thread. I know the adapter thing can be confusing, but it is what I do, so I just try to help find the best solutions available.
Pat

Pipe threads are fine but have vibration and pressure limits. The SAE J1926 or (ISO 6149-1 - metric) are a far superior adapter especially in production environments for leak resistance, ease of assembly, and repeatability. From there the best hose coupling/adapter interface is a oring face seal. You have a soft seal that is completely captivated. JIC works good but has some issues with sealing and after multiple uses you work harden the seat in the coupling and it's impossible to get to seal completely. There are other style coupling interfaces out there, just not as common. Just make sure you get Gates hose and couplings crimped with the correct dies.

LAA · Apr 29, 2015

Unless it is a privately held business and the owner says it is O.K. I would not accept anything off the job these days, especially if you work for a corporate owned establishment, with all the regulations that have been added in the last 6 years all large companies have very active legal, ethics and compliance divisions, they monitor everything and conduct audits because the federal government is auditing them. Most corporate owned company management won't even let the employees take scrap or empty buckets and pallets etc. home anymore. All it takes is a question about inventory that someone can't answer or a jealous co-worker to drop a dime.

Traditional Farmer · Apr 29, 2015

Get a Surplus Center catalog they explain it all,also the SC hoses are the least expensive around and have done real well for me as good or better than hoses around my area priced 3X or 4X higher.

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