Italy and manufacturing

Mike M · Apr 9, 2015

It sure seems like Italy has cornered the market on things like hydraulics and crawler undercarriage parts. Also see a lot of 3 pt. hitch equipment from there too like mowers and rototillers.
So I was wondering if anyone here knows why ? Most things by now have went to China ? but not these things ?

souNdguy · Apr 9, 2015

even ammo manufacturing.

tula has a plant there that makes the 'brassmax' version of tula ammo which is usually steel cased.

NY 986 · Apr 9, 2015

I don't think they carry the labor rates that a lot of other countries in Europe carry such as France, Germany, and Great Britain. Also, they have the ability to produce products at a high quality level if they so choose.

Russ from MN · Apr 9, 2015

I know the pto shaft on our King Kutter was made in Italy, and I'm pretty sure the one on our new Bush Hog is too. I tried to google Bondereli, or something like that and didn't find anything. I'm pretty disappointed in Bush Hog for selling a collection of foreign parts and charging top dollar, although it seems to be a good machine.

W_B · Apr 9, 2015

Don't know the why but suspect they can produce them cheaper with good Euro quality. I got a new 5' Maschio finish mower at a sale last year. It's a very good, well built unit, at dealers they seem to sell for a premium price.

Tom in TN · Apr 9, 2015

My two-basket hay tedder is a Tonutti brand. Made in Italy.

Tom in TN

Spudm · Apr 9, 2015

Fiat comes out of Italy, right? Things owned by them like Dodge, New Holland, etc....

rrlund · Apr 9, 2015

If they're still building stuff like my 1973 Fiat/Oliver,I'd buy another Italian built tractor in a heartbeat.

Kent Petersen · Apr 9, 2015

Fiat bough AC years ago and look at what happened to them word is out that fiat is looking for a byer for Case and New Holland i would"t crow to much about the Italians

flying belgian · Apr 9, 2015

My Cressonie corn head is made in Italy. I believe all after market corn heads are made there.

Tim(nj) · Apr 9, 2015

Fiat never owned Allis-Chalmers. That was Deutz from Germany.

Tim(nj) · Apr 9, 2015

I have a Pequea manure spreader with a Bondioli-Pavesi driveline on it. However, if you look closely at the shield, you will see "made in China for Bondioli-Pavesi, Italy" Not sure if that's just the shield or the whole assembly.

Adirondack case guy · Apr 9, 2015

I believe Fiat bought the Construction side, and Deutz bought the Ag side. There was a lot of Fiat Allis dozers and loaders around here.
Loren

D beatty · Apr 9, 2015

Allis chalmers earthmoving equipment div. was bought out by Fiat (Fiat-Allis) some where in the 80's and Fiat-Allis was then bought out by CHN.

Russ from MN · Apr 9, 2015

That doesn't surprize me, I will have to look! On the new

That doesn't surprise me, on the new Bush Hog the gear box and the lower draft connector pins are made in china, the draft pins bent and stripped the threads, and I'm only pulling it with a JD 4600.

Bret4207 · Apr 9, 2015

Think about it- after WW2 we rebuilt Italy, Germany and Japan. It figures that they'd have the ability to do precision work. All 3 nations built gorgeous high performance planes, boats and cars (not cars for Japan) pre-WW2. In fact, I'd challenge anyone to find more beautiful ships than some of the Italian Navy...prior to them being sunk anyways. Plus, any nation that can produce Sophia Loren can't be all bad.

jm. · Apr 9, 2015

Land Pride in Selina Kansas makes and markets its own tillers but about 90% of the three point tillers sold in the US are made in Italy. Several different manufactures that build them and folks in us put their own name on them.

Donald Lehman · Apr 9, 2015

The last I knew virtually all motorcycle helmets were made in Italy. Seems the Italians don't put much stock in lawsuits from fools who hit Mack trucks and then their relatives try to say the helmet failed when the guy got his head ripped off.

The Italians took over the vintage firearm market for Cowboy Action Shooting when the US manufacturers showed no interest in producing those guns also. They made themselves a pile of money in that market.

Spook · Apr 9, 2015

(quoted from post at 14:44:30 04/09/15) The last I knew virtually all motorcycle helmets were made in Italy. Seems the Italians don't put much stock in lawsuits from fools who hit Mack trucks and then their relatives try to say the helmet failed when the guy got his head ripped off.

The Italians took over the vintage firearm market for Cowboy Action Shooting when the US manufacturers showed no interest in producing those guns also. They made themselves a pile of money in that market.

The Italians have a pretty good domestic market for ag equipment, and access to the whole Euro zone, tariff free. They sell a lot of specialty stuff, like vineyard equipment, everywhere.

And the have been making guns for a long time.

The wages and bennies over there are higher than here, on average.

Texasmark1 · Apr 9, 2015

Yepper: Deutz Allis and somewhere along the line Deutz had a tomato worm green paint job and an air cooled diesel. Bought an Allis Chalmers 18hp diesel lawn mower way back there from a local small dealer. Next year I drive by his lot and it's all TW green and Black.

Mark

wisbaker · Apr 9, 2015

Saw a new Jeep Renegade at the dealer's the other day, made in Italy. The egg plant I used to work at had Pelbo equipment, all from Italy although the guy who used to fly in and help us with it was actually Greek. I think some of it is cycles and the Italians made a decision a few years back to focus on engineering and design and develop their manufacturing businesses as opposed to the US government who seems to be heck bent on shutting down any manufacturer in the name of climate change. One of my college professors was Italian, this was in 1981 at that time Italy was on it's 45th government since the war, she was discussing with a student from Italy that the current government lasted 9 months and they were amazed it lasted that long. Italian politicians are to busy trying to get re-elected to have any time to mess things up, unlike our government.

Mark-Mi · Apr 9, 2015

See a lot of agricultural spray pumps come from Italy.

Jeff B. · Apr 9, 2015

I have an Italian made Caroni rototiller that seems to be a well made piece of equipment.
In my business we have ocasionally sold transmission gears made by a company in Italy and they are very good quality and reasonably priced.

Mike M · Apr 10, 2015

WOW ! Even more made there than I realized. They sure must be doing something right over there.
Sounds like a good project would be for the USA to go over there and relearn how to do it too.

1948CaseVAI · Apr 10, 2015

Over the last few years I have grudgingly developed a lot of admiration for the Europeans (grudgingly because we have spent so many American lives to straighten up their countries over the years).

We in the USA voluntarily surrendered our ability to manufacture as part of our genuflection on the altar of the environment. I wish every environmentalist could be dealt with by you folks who have acreage and excavators.

495man · Apr 10, 2015

NH discmower I run was made in Italy (by Sitrex I think)

Works fine.

Bret4207 · Apr 11, 2015

(quoted from post at 09:00:47 04/10/15) WOW ! Even more made there than I realized. They sure must be doing something right over there.
Sounds like a good project would be for the USA to go over there and relearn how to do it too.

It would be history repeating itself. Prior to Italy joining the Axis in WW2, Mussolini was so admired here for turning Italy around that a statue of him was commissioned for erection in Washington DC. People don't recall things like that.

ObsoElitist · Apr 11, 2015

(quoted from post at 08:39:11 04/09/15) I don't think they carry the labor rates that a lot of other countries in Europe carry such as France, Germany, and Great Britain. Also, they have the ability to produce products at a high quality level if they so choose.

So can the Chinese. You can have stuff made there any way you want it, but most want it cheap and shoddy.

I spent years operating a Graziano lathe. Wonderful machine from the 60s. Cutting threads you can switch from Standard to Metric pitches by throwing a lever, and it had selctable all the pitches for Whitworth and the BS threads too. I did a lot of threading.

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