glyphosphate ?

Mike(NEOhio)

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Is Roundup or glyphosphate exposure harmful? I do some spot spraying edging around buildings with it and always thought it was relatively harmless. I used to use ammonium thiosulphate on poison ivy around the yard and haven't been able to find it for a long time. Was it banned?
 
Dont know how you would ever get a straight answer on that. Most farmers would say it is realitively safe. Most tree huggers will think it is most evil thing in the world.

I would say like other pesticides. Wear long sleeves, gloves and eye protection. try to keep drift off of you. Only spray to coat the leaves, not need to let it drip off, keep out of creeks, ponds and drinking water. Dont apply when rain is predicted.

Take a good shower afterwards and launder your clothes.

Do I follow all those rules? No, but I dont get crazy with it either.

I think it is way, way, way safer than some of the alternatives we used back in the 60's, 70's and into the 80's.

Gene
 
Mike(NEOhio)- This is too funny. I don't know about the source or if it true or not but, still funny!

"A controversial former environmentalist who claimed on French TV that Monsanto’s Roundup weedkiller was safe to drink was offered some in a glass by a journalist during the interview — and refused to drink it."


Poke here
 
(quoted from post at 13:11:16 04/06/15) Is Roundup or glyphosphate exposure harmful? I do some spot spraying edging around buildings with it and always thought it was relatively harmless. I used to use ammonium thiosulphate on poison ivy around the yard and haven't been able to find it for a long time. Was it banned?

Occasionally, when spraying road banks and fence rows, I have had a little roundup drift back on to me. I noticed no ill effects but still try to avoid it.

2,4d should knock that poison ivy.
 
It's a general use pesticide that's available to anybody who has the money,but still it's a pesticide and needs to be treated with respect. I don't fear it,but I limit exposure,just like you should with any chemical.
Must be you're not a certified applicator then,or haven't read the pesticide applicators manual?
 
glysophosphate is a herbicide, not a pesticide.

I do not believe it is harmful when directions are followed and no long term exposure.
 
Wrong. A pesticide is anything that eliminates a pest. An insecticide kills insects. A herbicide kills plants. Then there are fungicides,rodenticides,miticides,and on and on and on,all categorized as pesticides.
 
I don't go overboard. I'm using it to try to control the thistle and hemp-dogbane in my hay, and the weeds in the gravel drives. I walk around with a 2-gallon hand sprayer and mix 3 oz. per gallon. I'm going to start on the clumps of reed canary this year. I only got to wondering what the danger was because I walk through it and some always drip on my hand from the sprayer valve. I'm careful with it, of course, and wash up good when I'm done.
 
See my reply above. Am I the only certified applicator on this site? I seem to be the only one who know that pesticide is a general term. Frankly,that scares the daylights out of me.
 
I'm gonna start using them. Cleaning parts lately with gas or diesel is really hard on the hide. Methanol, laquer thinner, acetone, whatever, never paid it any mind before.
 
(quoted from post at 17:45:40 04/06/15) Wrong. A pesticide is anything that eliminates a pest. An insecticide kills insects. A herbicide kills plants. Then there are fungicides,rodenticides,miticides,and on and on and on,all categorized as pesticides.

What would a herbicide do to this guy???


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Just kidding!
 
If you're walking around with a hand held sprayer,it would be a good idea to wear rubber boots too,with your pantlegs on the OUTSIDE of them to keep drift or drops from running down inside the boots.
 
(quoted from post at 13:11:16 04/06/15) Is Roundup or glyphosphate exposure harmful? I do some spot spraying edging around buildings with it and always thought it was relatively harmless. I used to use ammonium thiosulphate on poison ivy around the yard and haven't been able to find it for a long time. Was it banned?

Here's a link that sheds some light on it's residues and usage, especially as a desiccant:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945755/
 
(quoted from post at 14:47:38 04/06/15) See my reply above. Am I the only certified applicator on this site? I seem to be the only one who know that pesticide is a general term. Frankly,that scares the daylights out of me.

Certified Commercial applicator in 7 categories, and you are 100% correct. And some of the stuff I see scares the heck outa me. I am not afraid of chemicals but I respect them. If people don't respect them you lose them. Protect your eyes and skin at least. Personal protective equipment required is always listed on the label.
 
I'm telling you what,the more times things like this pop up on here,the more I'm in favor or restricting everything. And I don't say that lightly.
Things like this is why we're facing the new restrictions that are coming for us livestock producers in regard to antibiotics.
 

USEPA says that you can drink 2/3 oz. Disolved in a liter of water every day for ten days without ill effects. They say as well that there is no danger of cancer from it. It tests better than the sources of some bottled water.
 
As most of you know already that I am an organic farmer. I have never got up on a soap box on the subject and I do not plan to. I think conventional farming this day and time is a wonderful thing. The problem I have with it though is chemical abuse. As Randy pointed out their are far too many folks using chemicals that do not have a clue and I believe in time this is going to eat the conventional farmers lunch.
 
That's one of the reasons I'm leaning toward wanting all of it restricted. A little education goes a long way. It might help if we could assure consumers that everything being used is being used responsibly.
I'll never come over to farming the way you do,but we're getting closer and closer to being on the same page when it comes to demanding accountability.
 
(quoted from post at 17:45:40 04/06/15) Wrong. A pesticide is anything that eliminates a pest. An insecticide kills insects. A herbicide kills plants. Then there are fungicides,rodenticides,miticides,and on and on and on,all categorized as pesticides.

Yep you are correct. Anyone who has had the chemical applicator training should know this...if they paid attention.
 
Not baned, but the WHO did reclassify it as a "probable carinogen" . Like al pesticides it is designed to kill something, so do your best to limit exposure to it.
 
SOMEONE is full of pizz and vinegar tonight!!!! Forgive me for doubting you!

No, not yet...wouldn't have time to read it for another week.
 
(quoted from post at 14:47:38 04/06/15) See my reply above. Am I the only certified applicator on this site? I seem to be the only one who know that pesticide is a general term. Frankly,that scares the daylights out of me.

Kind of like when I took the written exam for a CDL many years ago. I had been forewarned that a couple of the questions did not have the correct answers in the multiple choice list, but to go ahead and choose "A", or "B", or whatever it was if you wanted to pass the test. So that is what I did, and yes, I passed with flying colors, even though I chose a wrong answer.

Sometimes the folks who write the rules only assume they know the answers, and if we want to pass the test, we have to give wrong answers.
 
Funny thing, in nys if you run a lawn care business and want to put down grub control, weed control ect, you have to be a certified pesticide applicator, but you can apply straight turf fertilizer with no certification, yet a home owner can buy any pesticide or herbicide not follow directions and mix it how ever they want, oh and they can also transport as many gallons of gas as they want not in safety cans, but if your a business you have to use safety cans and carry material safety data sheets! All a big joke.
 
I'm with you. I have been a commercial applicator for years. It's pretty simple "Label is the law". Still shocking how many people don't read it.
 
I'll give you credit for one thing,you just made me grin. Ya,I'm full of it tonight. lol
 
I have a Private Applicator Lic. and you are correct. It is a pesticide. If someone were to use Round Up around a commercial building then that person must be licensed. Example would be a worker spraying weeds around his or her place of employment.
 
Animal

From a Canadian web site

"What's the difference between an organic farmer and a regular farmer?

A ponytail"

Any pictures so we can check?
 
Don't anybody think my frustration is with Mike. It's with those who think all pesticides are insecticides. We're on the internet,all this information is at your fingertips if you go to responsible websites,not wackjob doomsday "farmers want to kill you" websites.
 
Actually, glyphosate is BOTH a herbicide AND a pesticide. Herbicides are one of three classes of pesticides... the others being insecticides and fungicides.

Rod
 
Roundup is one of the most benign herbicides you could possibly use in terms of acute health effects. It's basically just a simple salt formulation. In terms of LD50 values for acute toxicity it ranks right up there with table salt and coffee. IIRC, the LD50 is higher for glyphosate than it is for both of those substances that most of us ingest every single day. What are the long term effects of glyphosate? Who knows... but I'd bet they're pretty minimal.
Like any other chemical a little common sense goes a long way. Use rubber gloves, apron, chemical suit, respirator, etc and protect yourself... What I can tell you is that I've never had a reaction to Roundup. I have had reactions to 2-4D, MCPA Amine 500, Laddok, Prime Extra and probably a couple of others... Again, nothing on Roundup. That should say something.

Rod
 
Thank you. I'm just beyond fatigued with this. I wonder how many lights are going on in peoples minds now when they find out that pesticide doesn't mean insecticide?
Now let me shed a little more light here. "GMO" doesn't mean plants contain an insecticide. In the case of glyphosate resistance,or "Roundup Ready",plants are genetically modified to be TOLORANT to a pesticide. In this case,tolorant to glyphosate. You can spray it over those particular GMO plants in labeled dose rates and it won't kill those plants,thus reducing the need to use pesticides,in this case herbicides,that are potentially more harmful.

Now before anybody gets in a huff,they need to use their little fingers on the keyboard to find out the difference between ignorance and stupidity. I'm not calling anybody stupid,but there is a worldwide plague of selective ignorance. Way too many among us are ignorant because we get our "facts" from sources with an agenda,and the agenda becomes a fad,until this ridiculous ignorance becomes accepted as the truth.
 
Roundup was originally formulated as being used for a Tank Cleaner and they decided to try it on weeds and it was a success. I knew some one from Dupont years ago that told us this at a meeting.
 
So let's stop beating around the bush and get to the real question about it. Does it or does it not absorb into the almost mature wheat seed when sprayed on wheat fields just before harvest time to "kill ripen" the green spots to speed harvest and raise yield?? And does it or does it not contribute to the celiac like stomach disorder claimed to be "gluten" intolerance ??? These people have no problem with unsprayed wheat. Stats show beyond a doubt that "celiac symptoms" and round-up sprayed wheat spiraled up the graph equally from mid '90,s until 2013 when both mysteriously dropped. Wonder why? Better question, I guess< why would anyone spray round-up directly on a consumable mature and soon to be harvested for market, farm product ?? A few years ago when I heard from SIl that farmer he worked for "sprayed " his wheat before harvest, I asked him how it was that he had that many weeds in winter wheat?? He had no idea. He just wasn't being told. Our wheat was always clean. Winter killed weeds and wheat crowded out any new weeds in spring and only place we had weeds was where wheat winter killed or drowned out. This same SIL just became "gluten intolerant" within last 10 yrs. he's 40 yrs old. What have we been doing for last 10-15 yrs again ?? Fact is, it is being sprayed directly on a comsumable product before consumption. If fog and rain raises the moisture of a wheat seed (which it does) then this is also absorbed in the seed. Countries that don't spray and don't import , don't have "gluten intolerance" problems.
 
You are correct, I had to think a bit about this, insecticide and herbicide are both pesticides.
 
(quoted from post at 18:38:41 04/06/15) Roundup was originally formulated as being used for a Tank Cleaner and they decided to try it on weeds and it was a success. I knew some one from Dupont years ago that told us this at a meeting.

Really? Roundup is a MONSANTO product, and was developed to target a specific plant amino acid process to cause a disruption and death. "Glyphosate's mode of action is to inhibit an enzyme involved in the synthesis of the aromatic amino acids: tyrosine, tryptophan, and phenylalanine."

Your Dupont guy was as full of BS as his/your statement!
 
I've heard of spraying it on dry edible beans to desiccate them and speed drydown for harvest,but wheat? You'd have to spray it with a plane. That would kill anything surrounding the field where the glyphosate drifted. Maybe somebody else has heard of doing it,but I never have.
 
Looking into it for a while now, it appears it was developed as a water softener/ scale remover from tanks, what someone was trying to develop.
They noticed where they dumped the waste water from this the vegetation died.

So a team of scientists were set to see if it could make a weed killer, and their third try at it turned out to be glyphosate, the weed killer we know
today.

The water softener/tank cleaner wasn't exactly the same thing, but they are related to each other.

By the testing we are able to do, it appears glyphosate only acts on features plants contain, not on animal or human material. As well,
glyphosate binds onto clay particles very quickly and won't move into plants, water, or animals other than bound tightly onto the clay bits. So
they might be present in your stomach, but only passing through still attached to those clay bits.

Then, the glyphosate breaks down into other stuff fairly quickly, perhaps 30 days. This 'other stuff' appears to also test out as not harmful to
plants or animals.

Of the chemicals available to is for weed control, glyphosate tests out as much safer, shorter lasting, and less potential for harming the
environment than the other choices we have.

When used as a pre harvest spray, glyphosate has a window of application, is it 10 days between spraying and harvest, I've never used it that
way but it does have rules. As well, it is often 6 months between the harvest of a crop, until it is transported, stored, transported again, and
actually used in processing for food. So the wheat or soybeans have been sprayed long before turned into food, well past the 30 days to break
down and fade away.

As well the processing of grain into food generally involves heat and adding other chemicals (salt, vinegar, etc.) that will also break down the
glyphosate.

Then, we are talking about spraying perhaps 24-32 oz of glyphosate over an entire acre of wheat, so a box of Wheaties would have at most
been exposed to .003 oz of glyphosate.

We are not soaking the grain in chemicals, we are starting out with minute amounts.

Then time and processing makes that fed away to nearly nothing detectable.

Of a substance that so far sound science and controlled testing has found to be harmless to animal/humans.

There is a lot of scare stories and pop culture out there that is fond of hating on Monsanto and make their money off of that.

And it is wise to question and look into stuff.

But?

What happens without using glyphosate? We end up using older chemicals, which have greater risks to mammals and humans, or do poorer
jobs, or last longer in our environment.

Or, we ban all ag chemicals, and we become susceptible to weed and insect outbreaks, more cost and more expensive food in mechanical
weed control, and more erosion and soil loss with mechanical weed control. And more fuel used for such.

There are trade offs, which no one really considers or looks at.

Paul
 
If it breaks down so fast and completely why does it show up in well water tests on a regular basis? Yes, its a lot better than some of the herbicides out there, but its not exactly water and shouldn't be treated as this totally harmless chemical that you can bathe in with no side effects.
 
I think you're confusing glyphosate with atrazine. If not,again,you're getting false information from activists. Atrazine is the riskier alternative to glyphosate if we loose the use of glyphosate.
 
Tram lines... it's done some places. It's not done here basically because there's no economic value to doing it.

Rod
 
Y'all are correct. James and I both have a private applicator's license and it says "pesticide". Herbicides and insecticides fall under that label because they are both pests.
 
Chemicals have 3 levels of "warnings". I apologize, I don't remember the warning level on glyphosate, but for ALL pesticides (herbicide, insecticide or other) you should wear protective clothing. Good rubber gloves, rubber boots, protective apron, eye wear, etc.

When tank spraying I always have some clean water to wash with if I spill on myself. I bought a protective apron off Ebay for less than $20. Comes down almost to my ankles (the advantage of a woman having to buy stuff designed to fit a man). I'll have James take a picture later this year when we start spraying.

For spot application, I generally mix at the house so any spill can easily be cleaned up there.

You can shop on the internet for rubber gloves or buy them in the grocery store where the mops, etc. are located. Get the heavy ones. The lightweight (generally yellow) don't hold up. I generally buy in the grocery store because they fit my hands better.

Treat glyphosate and all chemicals with respect. They were designed to kill things and if you are careless, that can include you or others.

When you're done, be sure to wash everything off well, including the chemical containers, to make sure any drips or spills are cleaned off.

Hope this helps.
 

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