OT - Hay vs Hemp

Bill VA

Well-known Member
Just as I'm about to have my ducks in a row with my hay operation, my Brother sends me this link:

http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/article_14184d92-f45d-5ead-87a2-e264599d7f7e.html

and suggests I consider industrial hemp for the cash crop vs hay.

I know nothing about the stuff. Anyone out there drawn back and ready to use the old baler to bale-up some industrial hemp?
 
There is a bunch of videos on you tube about industrial hemp. Its used in plastics, construction, they even make concrete out of the hemp stalk. And hemp concrete is carbon negative. Takes carbon out of the air .
 
I think this is going to be another one of those walk while others are running situations. Every state in the union seems to think industrial hemp is the answer to all of their financial problems. They all seem to have plans for processing it,growing it,transporting it,etc,etc,etc. Jobs,jobs,jobs.
 
Pot aside has hemp been cleared to be cultivated in any state never mind the federal government? Also, it seems harvesting hemp has the same effect as harvesting rye for straw except that hemp seems to require pretty good soil whereas rye can be grown on heavy soils not suited for corn or vegetables. Specifically when growing hemp it seems a lot of organic matter is removed and very marginally replaced with a cover crop. I get the impression that hemp would be limited to one planting in several seasons for any given field.

The advocates seem to have a pre-legalization mentality to hemp in that it will be more the cure for their ills. Specifically that MJ is going to be intermingled in fields with hemp. Will hemp fibered clothing be as comfortable as cotton or will it be more like wool. They also talk about it being a significant food substitute. How much ketchup is going to be needed to get it down or how loose are you going to get if it is used like fish oil or castor oil?

Like pot could not some hippy commune in California be like a living laboratory before we embark on a national venture that will have many more flaws than good points?
 
Lot of video on you tube showing harvesting equipment. Its amazing the multitude of uses a plant like this actually has. Seems there was a lot more hemp rope before nylon, remember it in our barns. There was something in there about asthma, "Houses made out of hemp will take away asthma", that's interesting, wonder how that works.

Be interesting as well to see the soil requirements, planting, harvest and process from raw material to finish products.

Hops and Barley seem to want to make a bit of a come back too, craft brewing market made a demand for it.
 
(quoted from post at 18:34:45 03/25/15) Pot aside has hemp been cleared to be cultivated in any state never mind the federal government? Also, it seems harvesting hemp has the same effect as harvesting rye for straw except that hemp seems to require pretty good soil whereas rye can be grown on heavy soils not suited for corn or vegetables. Specifically when growing hemp it seems a lot of organic matter is removed and very marginally replaced with a cover crop. I get the impression that hemp would be limited to one planting in several seasons for any given field.

The advocates seem to have a pre-legalization mentality to hemp in that it will be more the cure for their ills. Specifically that MJ is going to be intermingled in fields with hemp. Will hemp fibered clothing be as comfortable as cotton or will it be more like wool. They also talk about it being a significant food substitute. How much ketchup is going to be needed to get it down or how loose are you going to get if it is used like fish oil or castor oil?

Like pot could not some hippy commune in California be like a living laboratory before we embark on a national venture that will have many more flaws than good points?

Indiana has an Industrial Hemp legalization law on the books.

There's a lot of hoops to jump through yet, the law hasn't been on the books very long.
 


I would imagine it will be just like every other "miracle" crop/livestock that was ever offered up- a flash in the pan. IMO whats driving this is the pot smokers who think they can pass their plants off as hemp or up the THC levels in hemp over time. Yes, I'm sure hemp is a wonderful fiber, but so is wool and few will pay the price for good wool. I'm sure it's great at carbon sequestration, but so are most other woody plants. I'm sure hemp rope is fantastic, but there's a reason natural fiber ropes are all but non-existent in industry today.

Hemp, right. Stick with hay Bill.
 
I would love to see Hemp be legalized and the market come back to where it is a viable crop again. So many things can be done with hemp. Fibers for clothing, industry, seeds bird seed, a food source for people as well. Really miss hemp rope. We'll see how bad government can screw up a very good product.
 
USA imports a lot of products with Hemp in it now the market is already there.Pure stupidity by Gov't Bureaucrats it was ever outlawed.It was sort of like prohibiting Grape Juice sales to minors because wine is made from grapes too.
 
Hemp can be made into a lot of items and until hemp was banned was a money making crop for farmers. Not the answer to every problem but one more option. The chemical companies were behind getting it banned when they invented nylon. Today again it's not the answer to everything but it's another option where it's legal.

Rick
 
Why is it that Law Enforcement can"t understand that the two are not the same? Our county raised many acres of hemp in WWII. Govt just put a stop to another industry.
 

Probably because the plants are all of the same species and look similar. A Percheron, an Arabian and a Mini are all horses but they have different characteristics. Same with Cannabis. Legalize hemp and you will have a zillion dopers growing pot and calling it hemp.
 
I'm under the assumption based on the progression and potency of the kind people smoke or use otherwise, there has to be 2 completely different methods to grow each one. Based on news reports profiling these cartels that set up huge grow operations, they have to have people working to nurture individual plants, doing whatever is needed. Reason I say that is, there is always an encampment, they often times show law enforcement on site and what is left behind from a group of people living on site.

Judging by whats on you tube showing the harvest of the industrial type, its a much heavier population of plants that does not contain any significant amounts of THC,(well you can't see that there, but they are different)Industrial hemp is grown without having to look after individual plants from what I can see. So one is mass production and sure like they did 15 or so miles north of here a few years back, there were several thousand plants found in a remote area in a predominantly agricultural area, unbeknownst to the land owner. I assume that was not destined for rope, but who and how many people were looking after it? I think it was one of the largest busts on record. It's definitely not something you toss in the ground and come back months later to and collect as high grade smoke. If it was, it would be unstoppable like ditch weed.

There is definitely a distinct difference, and I guess people are pushing it, authorities trying to sort it out given the current affairs about legality.

I think the eradication of industrial hemp was similar to the situation with trolley cars and a company like GM wanting to build buses. Same thing happened, trolley cars were eliminated, replaced with buses and it was big business like GM that made it so with however it was done, they wanted the profits off those sales, nothing was to stand in their way.

Thinking on the other side of it, if industrial was legal, one would think that there is also validity to someone wanting to use it as cover for the other type. Not sure how cross pollination would work, but they would get mostly seed or grain, more than anything to smoke as I understand it in regards pollination. If the female gets pollinated, you get grain. Not sure how that works entirely, similar to other self pollinating plants except there are male and female plants. How do they get all females in a stand of either type without having to go in and remove the other type. Is industrial all male, both or what? If both, then you can't grow the other without getting grain. There is a demand for the seed to and I have seen hemp infused products at the grocery store, trying to think where in heck I saw it now.

That would drive the eradication guys in the helicopters nuts if there were commercial crops of the industrial hemp that had the other mixed in. They make a 100 or so flights a season locally + routine calls, and its becoming more evident that people have attempted growing in their back yards, gardens and so on, which explains their presence here at times, looking closely around peoples homes. Past few years they have been checking here and the surrounding areas. A friend who I let cross through here on a side by side said someone got nailed in recent times doing just that, and that explains why we have seen them above our houses as of late, they never flew like that around here before. Fields of industrial... even with those high tech cameras they have, would seem impossible to find the illicit stuff anyway, which if was all seed, there is nothing to smoke, well someone would probably still try to make use of it given how people are. Look on the web, tons of photos of what they smoke, and its not grain LOL !

Its an interesting scenario, fun discussion given the uses of the plant, but too darned complicated unless it was legal somehow, no doubt the products from it would sell. Seems it may get sorted out eventually, be cool to have hemp rope, that nylon stuff has its benefits, but the sun ruins it, and it eventually gets chalky, nasty strands and even splinters, nothing worse than old sun beaten nylon rope. Hemp probably not good if left outside or does it tolerate rain and such ?

Thinking of alternate crops, I've seen quite a few trellis's up lately, for hops. A local brew master stated to me, he'd buy all I could produce if I grew it. These are related somehow, distant cousins or something. I like seeing different crops, the farmer I used to help was always into a variety of things for many years. It'd be really cool to see barley and hops come back, barring that darned blight years ago, nothing like a good quality craft beer made from fresh local ingredients.

Lately I have seen sunflower, soybeans and quite a bit of vegetable crops in this town, never saw a field of sunflower before, nor soybeans how in heck they keep the birds or rodents off that sunflower is beyond me, but it looked really nice when it was in bloom. Beyond the debate or discussion of the above, diversity in agriculture is an interesting subject.
 
the story i heard on the hemp ban was from randolf hearst , that he had access to free timber from out west on government property to make paper from. hemp made a higher quality paper at a lower cost and it was an annual plant. couple winks and a few nods, hemp was out, hearst was in. dunno how true it was.
 


The non-existent "War on Drugs" is not the subject. He subject is hemp. If you want to get into the WoD, fine, but it's a whole 'nuther can of worms.

The fact is there is no real call for hemp cultivation outside of a few long haired hippy types and the tiny fraction of the population involved in authentic rigging for period sailing vessels. It's more political than practical.
 

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