Pulling questions??? Help?

56oliver

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Ok, I have an oliver super 77 that I want to pull... I have never pulled a tractor at a pull and would like some advice and I have a couple of questions. First, I just put a brand new set of Galaxy 13.6-38 tires on the back. I don't know how they will do but the old tires were so dry rotted that the sides were splitting out and the tube was showing. So it needed new ones. The tires also have no fluid in them so what do you guys think would be a good pressure to run them at. Also I was told that I could turn up the RPMS on the engine a little bit... What would be the safe amount if there is any? And also how much could I turn it up before somthing went wrong. It is gas. Do any of you know of any tricks for pulling that you'd be willing to share. I would greatly appreciate that.

Thanks,
Jake
 
Hello Jake
There is also a "tractor pulling" forum on this site. It's in the "functionality" section quite a ways down the forums list. Maybe
you'll have more replies over there. Good luck with the old Oliver.
 
(reply to post at 21:42:11 03/25/15) [Jake, What weight class will you be in? When I pull my 77 in the 4500lb. class I run about 4-5 lbs. for the 5500 class 5-6 lbs. 6500 6-7lbs. etc. Keep your drawbar at the highest point they will allow and as far forward a allowed. As far as rpms, if the engine is in good shape, no knocks or smoke 2500 no problem, anything above that would be a waste without making the engine breath better. I always run Mobil-1 15-50 in mine for added protection and rev. up to 4000 rpms. Hope this helps, Chuck
 
Hi The 2 comments I will make is 1 Safety of the crowd and you, is the first thing to get right before you start spending on anything else, so please find out all the rules, if they pretty well say enter at your own risk( means you got no insurance cover by the event organizer),Or there are no safety rules for rpm's, flip bars hitch stuff and safety inspections, Run forest run, don't get involved, you carry the can if it goes wrong!.

2 if you just bought this tractor and still want to pull, i would be splitting it and checking the clutch and flywheel for heat cracks/ broken/cracked other parts . The higher you Rev a cast iron clutch and flywheel, the greater the explosion risk at 3000rpm + or - a bit. Heat cracks or out of balance due to a part falling off while running increase that risk.
Many of these machines have worked hard before you get them, parts condition is unknown in there on many of them.

There is a post on the case forum Titled more problems 52 case SC, go look at his clutch mess he didn't know about until it was apart, thats a prime example of what i see in my shop many times,even with newer tractors.

There is also a Video of a 1206 farmall/ international, pulling on youtube that runs away and explodes . The flywheel/clutch safety is very lacking on that tractor,and gives you a good idea of how much worse things could of been, that day.
Some pulls are starting to get wise and write safety rules with strict rev limits and equipment needed to exceed stock RPMs, as you will see it's done for a reason, not just the fun of it.

Some pulls and pullers Don't care and run crazy high rpm's with nothing like steel clutches/flywheels or steel catch plates or scatter blankets. one day the it won't or doesn't happen theory will come home to roost. Then they will find out how important insurance and safety rules are when guys get sued and fined after an accident, it's not if its more when it happens!.

pulling is a great sport and a lot of fun if done right. I haven't run for 15 years due to my tractor being an odd ball and no off the shelf safety stuff at sensible prices. it all had to be custom built and the cost was crazy, as the rules changed for the rpm's it ran at. I valued my and the crowds safety more than having cheap fun and taking a risk every time I ran it, that somebody got killed/ hurt and i got sued/ jailed for something that could of been avoided.
Regards Robert
 
(quoted from post at 23:52:15 03/25/15) Hi The 2 comments I will make is 1 Safety of the crowd and you, is the first thing to get right before you start spending on anything else, so please find out all the rules, if they pretty well say enter at your own risk( means you got no insurance cover by the event organizer),Or there are no safety rules for rpm's, flip bars hitch stuff and safety inspections, Run forest run, don't get involved, you carry the can if it goes wrong!.

2 if you just bought this tractor and still want to pull, i would be splitting it and checking the clutch and flywheel for heat cracks/ broken/cracked other parts . The higher you Rev a cast iron clutch and flywheel, the greater the explosion risk at 3000rpm + or - a bit. Heat cracks or out of balance due to a part falling off while running increase that risk.
Many of these machines have worked hard before you get them, parts condition is unknown in there on many of them.

There is a post on the case forum Titled more problems 52 case SC, go look at his clutch mess he didn't know about until it was apart, thats a prime example of what i see in my shop many times,even with newer tractors.

There is also a Video of a 1206 farmall/ international, pulling on youtube that runs away and explodes . The flywheel/clutch safety is very lacking on that tractor,and gives you a good idea of how much worse things could of been, that day.
Some pulls are starting to get wise and write safety rules with strict rev limits and equipment needed to exceed stock RPMs, as you will see it's done for a reason, not just the fun of it.

Some pulls and pullers Don't care and run crazy high rpm's with nothing like steel clutches/flywheels or steel catch plates or scatter blankets. one day the it won't or doesn't happen theory will come home to roost. Then they will find out how important insurance and safety rules are when guys get sued and fined after an accident, it's not if its more when it happens!.

pulling is a great sport and a lot of fun if done right. I haven't run for 15 years due to my tractor being an odd ball and no off the shelf safety stuff at sensible prices. it all had to be custom built and the cost was crazy, as the rules changed for the rpm's it ran at. I valued my and the crowds safety more than having cheap fun and taking a risk every time I ran it, that somebody got killed/ hurt and i got sued/ jailed for something that could of been avoided.
Regards Robert

Robert, what is your tractor? Why wouldn't scatter blanket fit it?
 
Hi Chuck
I'm glad to here it :), I wasn't picking on you in this comment, just stating the fact there are a
lot of pull organizers and guys that don't have rules , safety equipment etc, and insurance, or
any clue like they should do. And the last place to go is a pull like that to compete or even
watch. Unless you got real deep pockets to pay fines/ compensation and probably a death wish to, if something goes badly wrong.

i miss competing and went to watch a local pull, I started asking guys questions in the pit area and looking around at tractors. Answers I got and things I saw made me want to be as far from the track as I could be watching. I was originally thinking of antique pulling with them, if it was a safe proper run pull, and I could afford to run the tractor properly for my classes.
"Forget that for a game of soldiers" with them!!!!!!
Good luck this season if your running and I hope you do good for all your expense and effort.
Regards Robert
 
Hi
its a custom built Belarus 500 with a perkins V8. The motor is from a truck and the frame would need re designing to get the blanket to work properly, it used to run with steel plate scatter protection at 2800 rpm, for a blanket to work 100% right you need steel components .
The flywheel and clutch is bigger than a v8 tractor motor, and the rebuild and custom steel flywheel/ clutch plus custom blanket was over $5000 to keep running it.

I decided it wasn't worth the money for maybe 5 days a year fun, with all the other costs
involved to. plus not getting asked back if i beat the locals in the pull clique round this area.
It was probably just a waist of $5000 in the end. pulls that would allow it to run are declining
fast now as well in the last few years. everything is going antique now as they think they can get away with safety rules and costs.
Regards Robert
 
Guys, chill.

We're only talking about a STOCK Oliver 77 here, not some smoke belching modified tractor that covers 300' in 5 seconds.

My advice is, go and HAVE FUN. Don't expect to win, or even be competitive the first few times out. It is a learning process. Hook on, put it in 1st, drive safely, and see what happens.

The rules will determine how much you can modify the tractor.

The type of pulling you're participating in, and track conditions will determine your tire pressure.
 
Hi I get where you are coming from, but the guy is already asking about upping the revs and things.
Those of us that have seen the no rules pulling and looked at some of the tractors involved or know what happens when unregulated fun goes wrong pulling.
Are just trying to keep him and others safe, so the pulling continues, and doesn't get banned by some government agency poking it's nose in after a major incident.



In the U.k over the past 25 years or so there has been some bad accidents on the track and a good few near misses, one tractor drivers deceased, a few more got injured in the crowd at an event, and one guy near lost his shirt when he got sued/ fined after an accident, and to top it all found out his insurance wasn't valid for motor sport when this all happened!!!!.
The rules are so strict there now and in europe for pulls i wouldn't be surprised if after a few more bad accidents the sports not banned over there, things going wrong can happen anywhere, like at a local to you antique pull not just some other far away country or pull running higher rpm big fast tractors, times are changing and a good old law suits more common now to, it's better to be safe than dead or sorry! .
Regards Robert
 

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