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dej(Jed)

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About 430 pm this deer came sneaking along. I am in Western, Pa. where there is a 4 point per side antler restriction. Until last night I hadn't seen anything legal. This buck scaled in at 165 lbs, but I had an awful time getting him into the bed of my GMC. I guess at 65 I need to devise some sort of a lift system.
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There are a lot of those coming off my farm this year. That one looks good!

That restriction drives me nuts. I see lots of doe with twins or triplets running around. The number of button buck and spikes that eat my corn and soybeans is really taking money out of my pocket.

So far, between rifle and bow season there have been 3 eight point, 1 nine point, 1 ten point, and about 7 or 8 doe taken from here. I see Mt. Lebanon got special consideration for a special bow and trapping season because people are complaining about deer vs. car, and deer eating shrubs and flowers in the upper-middle/upper class neighborhood. Mark Cuban is from Mt. Lebanon, if that tells you what the area is like. Out here, farmers don't matter to the game commission, unless you sign your farm up so that the game commission and any body else can hunt your land through a game commission program. It smells.
 
(quoted from post at 06:03:12 12/10/14) There are a lot of those coming off my farm this year. That one looks good!

That restriction drives me nuts. I see lots of doe with twins or triplets running around. The number of button buck and spikes that eat my corn and soybeans is really taking money out of my pocket.

So far, between rifle and bow season there have been 3 eight point, 1 nine point, 1 ten point, and about 7 or 8 doe taken from here. I see Mt. Lebanon got special consideration for a special bow and trapping season because people are complaining about deer vs. car, and deer eating shrubs and flowers in the upper-middle/upper class neighborhood. Mark Cuban is from Mt. Lebanon, if that tells you what the area is like. Out here, farmers don't matter to the game commission, unless you sign your farm up so that the game commission and any body else can hunt your land through a game commission program. It smells.
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I know exactly what you are saying. I have so many small bucks on my place that it is ridiculous. They are stripping the trees and brush bare. They need to seriously allow people to take these little bucks and get rid of them. We are over run with deer and there are very few hunters. Here is a pic of another one taken on my property last week.
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if your pickup has a good quality headache rack on it, a harbor freight 12v, 1200 lb or so winch is the handiest think there is , mounted to the top of it, the game wardens around here use them, and also the hiway maintence dept which picks up the road kill,it takes up less space than one of those hand crank truck bed cranes although those are good too
 
What do you mean by a 4 point per side restriction?

I agree with other posters - they need to do away with the tag system for a couple years and just have an open season. My son was hunting last weekend - passed on 12 deer before pulling the trigger on a nice 9 pointer that weighed in around 190 (and I felt every bit of it as we carried him out of the field). I asked him how many rabbits he saw - a lot less than 12. This kid is 12 years old and had his selection of deer. Far as I'm concerned he could have shot all 13 and it wouldn't have hurt anything or anyone.
 
Saw an article yesterday that the kill for the Ohio gun season just concluded was down 10,000 head statewide. They said the lower limits and bad weather are the reason. But the ODNR seems to be happy since the herd was reduced a lot last year to numbers more manageable.
 
Dan,

For an antlered deer to be a legal kill in Pennsylvania, the deer must have at least 4 points including the brow tine, on one side of it's rack. If you see 10 deer that are all 6 points, you can't shoot any of them. must wait for a bigger buck. Similar to fishing restrictions where you have to throw the little fish back in the water.
 
When you say 165 is that field dressed or live weight?
Some people weight them before dressing, I like to
leave the entrails in the field for the birds! This
year I put an eyelet in the front of out truck box to
hook a come-along to and my wife ratcheted while I
lifted a little and in it went. Having a plank along
would make it easier. She shot 2 this year and they
were only 130-140 field dressed, but they sure taste
good!
 
I feel your pain. Found out 17 years ago hanging a
170# deer on the spare tire carrier of the Bronco
solo was something I didn't want to repeat.
 
(quoted from post at 11:01:36 12/10/14) Dan,

For an antlered deer to be a legal kill in Pennsylvania, the deer must have at least 4 points including the brow tine, on one side of it's rack. If you see 10 deer that are all 6 points, you can't shoot any of them. must wait for a bigger buck. Similar to fishing restrictions where you have to throw the little fish back in the water.
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Are you starting to get freakish racks down there? friend killed a "buck" behind my house on opening day. He looked to be a 2 1/2 year old "button buck". Getting BIG spikes on occasion too.

Like you said, lots of BIG mature 6s as well. At least the kids can shoot at them.
 
I live between a toxic waste dump, a 103 acre brownfield from a closed zinc plant, the largest gob pile of coal waste this side of the Mississippi(350 acre pile), a nuclear power plant, a molybdenum plant, and almost 8000 acres of unclaimed strip mines.

If I saw a deer with 5 legs, I wouldn't flinch.


One guy showed me the deer stomach last year on his buck. It must have had 5 pounds of yellow corn in there. He asked me if I wanted it back.
 
Hey where are you w Pa Guys located? I am 1 mile from that closed zinc smelter. Lived and farmed there all my life (66+ years) Shell is buying all the property surrounding me but not interested in my land. I'm not concerned about it. I've farmed in this industrial area all my life and I don't think a cracker plant will pollute as bad as the smelter did.
Phl
 
Hey Phil,

You are talking about horsehead in potter twp? I used to go to the Midway Bar car shows all the time when I had my 68 Mustang.

I'm talking about American Zinc in Langeloth, PA. They closed down a long time ago, but the brownfield is still there. I guess I should have said I lived between 2 former zinc plant brownfields! I'm off the edge of Burgettstown, PA, down route 18 from you.
 
I would say it is a shame, if it weren't for all the good jobs coming back to the area!

Raccoon Creek runs off the edge of our farm. I'll buy a toy plastic boat and see if I can float it to you. :lol:
 
I think Shell (if they decide to follow through with this project) will be a better neighbor than Horsehead Zinc was. I can stand at the back of my fields and look down on Raccoon Creek. Let me know when you send the boat, I'll keep an eye out for it. Fill it with cash.

Phil
 
My ancestors came out of that area. Do you know any
body with the last name of Porter? I have been told
that I have mineral rights on my great grand fathers
farm. It is now a home sub division. Hope to visit
some day.
 
There is a famous Porter family from Clinton, PA. William Porter, whose great great grandfather fought with Sir William Wallace back in Scotland was a merchant. William Porter had a lot of kids. I think there were 7, all of them moved out to Ohio and beyond in the late 1800's. There is a history write-up about them in the history of Beaver County, PA. The earliest settlers of this area didn't have tv or electricity, so they all had between 7-14 kids each. It's a long line of descendants.
 
Several years back I talked to a guy that went Elk hunting north of lake Superior. I said.....Ummmm.....if you shoot an Elk then how do you get it out of the woods? He looks at me and says....."chainsaw"
That would be messy, but, easier to lift into the truck bed.
 
Hey Phil, do you know where the old Tank Farm is? I worked at St Joe for many years; part of my responsibility was water pollution control; sampled Racoon Creek all the way to Langloth. Boys and I canoed it many times. Just too many deer for the habitat and waters down the gene pool. Sometime us WPA YT's should get together!
 
Yes, I am on top of the hill on the east side of the creek. I used to look down onto the 'pig farm' now I look at the flyash dump. I think we have hijacked jed(dej)'s page here so I'll say something about deer. Come and get them!
Phil
 
The tank farm was on both sides of the creek right next to the bridge. I bet it was good rich farmland. Looks like a pyramid in Egypt now, full of heavy metals and ashes. There is a boat launch down there. I went down there in the late 1990's and fished under the bridge when I was in college at Penn State Beaver. Been a long time it feels like now.

Yeah, small world! Didn't mean to hijack Jed's thread. So Phil lives on top of the cliff, Bonnan paddled a dinghy up the creek to Burgett's Fork in Langeloth, casenut1's family was from Clinton, teddy's daughter-in-law is possibly related, and I'm at the headwaters of raccoon creek, before Burgett's Fork.

You know that Burgettstown, Langeloth, and Slovan did not have a sewage system until recently, so you and your boys were literally paddling up a river of %*&#! I hope you washed your hands! :shock:
 
OK world is even smaller I worked at PS Beaver for 27 years (1981-2008). Work is a abundant use of the word to describe my job. I retired from the easy job to the farm. Don't always get wiser with age. lol
Phil
 
John, In most of PA the antler restriction is only 3 points on one side. I am in 3B in NE PA. So far though I have not seen a legal buck, but plenty of doe. I don't shoot doe.
 
And now the world is smaller! I was there 98-2001. I never finished. Secondary Education-English/Communications major.

Dr. John Mulilis made me realize that I would never be happy. Well, that, and student teaching at Rochester and Aliquippa.

I heard Mulilis died a year after I left. He inspired me to leave and be happy. Brilliant kind-hearted hard-a$$... The only way to describe him. Took a cinema class, lots of English classes, few math classes, My favorite was a philosophy of teaching class; and can't hardly remember any Professors' names, except Dr. Chapin, and Dr. Mulilis.

as u can sea from my skills, I dun good at English!


Sorry Jed! Go get more of them deer!
 
I really don't know! I have never had the thought of shooting a doe but for all the damage they cause me I should shoot some.

I have a hand crank sheller and I throw the cobs in the field next to the house. At 4pm I had 3 doe digging thru the snow to see if any corn was left on the cobs. It would have been a 50 yard shot from the back door.
 
There are some big racks and some funny looking ones also. I live about 4 miles from the state prison at Dallas. There are some big buck on the prison property. This year the prison allowed the Wounded Warriors to hunt on the prison grounds. I think they took about 5 buck and three doe. They also had a youth hunt earlier this fall. Ounce balls only.

Are you the person that has a lot of gun knowledge?
 
It would be funny if it weren't so true!

I was in grade school before I realized that having orange water in the creeks was not normal. I just thought everyone had those.


...and they are complaining about fracking... heh bring it on! it's actually cleaned up a lot of places around here. Shell Cracker plant at Horsehead will actually involve _cleaning_ the entire site of toxic waste for years before they do anything else. It will be much cleaner when Shell is in there, than it has been since the Industrial Revolution!
 
casenut there was a man Ezra Porter who was a very early settler in my home town; originally called Shousetown, then Glenwillard and now Crescent. I grew up around Hopewell/Moon, never saw a deer until I was 16; that's back in the '40s. Lots of farms and grouse back then too.
 
Would be interesting to know if her roots go back to a Nathan and Jane Porter in the Burgettstown area about 1795-1810.
 
Silence of the Lambs filmed in your backyard? LOL I worked at Moon McDonald's in the mid 90's early 2000's. I fished below Shouse Park. Dang near ripped my 94 mustang exhaust off on those train tracks! Come to think of it... I think there isn't a place I haven't fished. :D

I can't believe there are any tractors left in Crescent. I thought I bought the last one back in 06 or 07 on Boggs School Road. Picked up a Farmall C with a plow and cultivators.
 
If you have any more information about the Porters, I can look it up in the church records. It's all in books, nothing online. Would be happy to do it. Do you know if the family was Presbyterian? Any idea on where the exact farm was? I can do a Landex search and get you back to the original land patent on the farm.
 
(quoted from post at 23:25:13 12/10/14) casenut there was a man Ezra Porter who was a very early settler in my home town; originally called Shousetown, then Glenwillard and now Crescent. I grew up around Hopewell/Moon, never saw a deer until I was 16; that's back in the '40s. Lots of farms and grouse back then too.
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Shousetown Glenwillard Cemetery burial plaque. No headstones.

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Nathan listed under Ezra.
 
(quoted from post at 01:11:28 12/11/14) Would be interesting to know if her roots go back to a Nathan and Jane Porter in the Burgettstown area about 1795-1810.
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I think we better take this off Jed's post now. OOOPS! Sorry Jed!


email me. I found Nathan Porter in United Presbyterian Church of Burgettstown. He was installed with the first Church Elders just after 1800 with the forming of the Church.


See! This tractor forum can fix ANYTHING!

dm bfan 1912 at aim dot com no spaces.
 
(quoted from post at 23:13:29 12/10/14)
(quoted from post at 01:11:28 12/11/14) Would be interesting to know if her roots go back to a Nathan and Jane Porter in the Burgettstown area about 1795-1810.
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I think we better take this off Jed's post now. OOOPS! Sorry Jed!


email me. I found Nathan Porter in United Presbyterian Church of Burgettstown. He was installed with the first Church Elders just after 1800 with the forming of the Church.


See! This tractor forum can fix ANYTHING!

dm bfan 1912 at aim dot com no spaces.
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No guys that is fine. I went to school with several Porters. Actually they are from Westmoreland/Armstrong counties here in western, Pa. The ones I know are approx. 65.

As far as the deer hunting I would welcome getting rid of about 30 deer this year. They are destroying my property. I talked to a warden and he said that we need to take more deer. I asked for an anytime kill license, but he declined to issue it. The deer herd is huge in our area. Buck to doe ratio is about 50%, but there are a lot of little bucks and they aren't legal. Oh well when they eat everything then they will starve and that will reduce the herd.
 
That's it John; those are the Porter's. My 3rd grade teacher in Glenwillard was married to a Porter who was a descendent of Ezra. Her niece was in my class.
 
Never saw the Farmall but a few years back there was an 8N on Boggs School Rd. That maybe the lawn ornament sitting up on Broadhead Rd at present.
 
Yep! I didn't get to do any fishing this year, but last fall I was pulling bass out with every cast from the farthest one back.

Pennsylvania Game Commission/Commonwealth of PA transferred ownership of Harmon Creek Lake and all the gamelands around it to Washington County Redevelopment Authority so that they can build an industrial park on the property. Where the dragline used to sit, across from haul road, at the parking lot; is the end of the new construction site for now. They haven't advanced closer to the lake, but I'm sure they will. When they do, I will cry. Hillman donated that land to Burgettstown and the people, after tearing up about 8000 acres and not reclaiming it. It was a nice public park at one time that had a beach and diving piers, and picnic tables, and a boat launch. Burgettstown couldn't afford to maintain it, had to give it up. Now it will be an industrial park.
 
The game commission is a joke. They have no idea how to manage hunting, or wildlife. What they are doing is farming and livestock raising, not wildlife management. I've seen so many bad examples and heard from former Game Commissioners too many stories of how they "manage" things.

I can assure you that farms like Schramm's and Trax's and Simmon's all have crews that go out with a pickup bed full of guys with guns that take out any deer standing. No one in the game commission will touch those guys.

Oh well... Be sure to check out the extra tag program next May. Looks like Raccoon State Park grabbed all the extra tags for this year. You can apply in May again.
 
Naw, ya just sprinkle about 5 pounds of cracked Corn in
the bed of your pickup, when he jumps in to eat it -
then you drill him. LOL

:>)
 
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