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Large local Mall has allowed a non profit organization, [b:8e640af275]Angle Tree[/b:8e640af275], to use mall walkway to display a large artificial Christmas tree
decorated with names and information about needy children. We would pick a name and give this child a requested small item or toy. They have allowed this for many years.
Mall management decided they would no longer allow Non-Profit organizations to do this because there was [b:8e640af275]NO PROFIT FOR THE MALL!!![/b:8e640af275]
Now [b:8e640af275]Angle Tree[/b:8e640af275] will have to find another place!

I would find a new place too, to shop.

Mall management must be pretty stupid.

No one bought the items at the mall?

Local paper or TV station human interest story about this would change some things pretty quick. Or at least it should.

(quoted from post at 18:02:41 11/15/14) Local paper or TV station human interest story about this would change some things pretty quick. Or at least it should.

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It was on the local news. Sad thing is, many people don't care, but I bet the needy children will!!
Boycotting the Mall would only hurt the businesses. Not much can be done to Low-Life management but I won't darken the doors of the mall!
I remember a few years ago, we picked three names and one little girl only wanted a "chatty kathy doll". It was a small doll that cost about $6.00! We go her additional items!

(quoted from post at 11:31:57 11/15/14)
Mall management decided they would no longer allow Non-Profit organizations to do this because there was [b:d1471006ee]NO PROFIT FOR THE MALL!!![/b:d1471006ee]

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I dont believe that for a second.

I will bet every dollar in my wallet somebody squealed and put enough perssure on the mall owners that the owners just gave up and said enough, the tree goes. Its a fact that these trees are a boon to the mall or where ever they are placed. In a retail outlet (like a mall), almost all of the gifts get purchaced in that establishment. Think about it, nobody goes to the mall, grabs tag which means a gift for a kid and then EXITS to go somewhere else. No, they go there to buy gifts for thier family, and usually as an afterthought, grab a tag off the tree and buy that gift too. Its a boon for the mall to have a tree up both in order to sell a few more toys and in the form of good press. Good press is the only reason banks have these trees but they need all the good press they can get.

If you peel back more to find the truth to this story, you will likely find some fruitcake like Annie Gaylor behind it. Its could be the org. that put up the tree has something going on in it (fraud ect.) but its a better bet its a fruitcake like Annie. There is one thing that is for sure though, and that the tree was not removed due to lack of profit for the mall, the mall knows full well they make money on it, not lose money and they get good press from it. Somebody caused the mall to rethink the tree to the point they were willing to remove it and lose money and get bad press and the mall felt it was better for that to happen then keep the tree. Think about it. Now find out WHO was behind this and make sure to not support them with your hard earned money. And dont forget to TELL the people behind pressuring the mall to remove the tree, WHY they cant have any more of your money.

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(quoted from post at 11:31:57 11/15/14)
Mall management decided they would no longer allow Non-Profit organizations to do this because there was [b:fb1bbe5944]NO PROFIT FOR THE MALL!!![/b:fb1bbe5944]

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I dont believe that for a second.

I will bet every dollar in my wallet somebody squealed and put enough perssure on the mall owners that the owners just gave up and said enough, the tree goes. Its a fact that these trees are a boon to the mall or where ever they are placed. In a retail outlet (like a mall), almost all of the gifts get purchaced in that establishment. Think about it, nobody goes to the mall, grabs tag which means a gift for a kid and then EXITS to go somewhere else. No, they go there to buy gifts for thier family, and usually as an afterthought, grab a tag off the tree and buy that gift too. Its a boon for the mall to have a tree up both in order to sell a few more toys and in the form of good press. Good press is the only reason banks have these trees but they need all the good press they can get.

If you peel back more to find the truth to this story, you will likely find some fruitcake like Annie Gaylor behind it. Its could be the org. that put up the tree has something going on in it (fraud ect.) but its a better bet its a fruitcake like Annie. There is one thing that is for sure though, and that the tree was not removed due to lack of profit for the mall, the mall knows full well they make money on it, not lose money and they get good press from it. Somebody caused the mall to rethink the tree to the point they were willing to remove it and lose money and get bad press and the mall felt it was better for that to happen then keep the tree. Think about it. Now find out WHO was behind this and make sure to not support them with your hard earned money. And dont forget to TELL the people behind pressuring the mall to remove the tree, WHY they cant have any more of your money.

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Since it seems like you have an explanation, please explain this:
A few years ago, I belonged to a small British Car Club and once a year we would display cars inside the mall and it seemed to bring in many customers. We were not allowed to advertise anything for sale.
We followed their rules to the letter! In and out On time, and never left signs of ever being there.
Last year they said we could no longer use there facility unless we PAID A FEE!

(quoted from post at 12:45:41 11/15/14)

(quoted from post at 18:25:23 11/15/14)

(quoted from post at 11:31:57 11/15/14)
Mall management decided they would no longer allow Non-Profit organizations to do this because there was [b:2a4ec913f9]NO PROFIT FOR THE MALL!!![/b:2a4ec913f9]

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I dont believe that for a second.

I will bet every dollar in my wallet somebody squealed and put enough perssure on the mall owners that the owners just gave up and said enough, the tree goes. Its a fact that these trees are a boon to the mall or where ever they are placed. In a retail outlet (like a mall), almost all of the gifts get purchaced in that establishment. Think about it, nobody goes to the mall, grabs tag which means a gift for a kid and then EXITS to go somewhere else. No, they go there to buy gifts for thier family, and usually as an afterthought, grab a tag off the tree and buy that gift too. Its a boon for the mall to have a tree up both in order to sell a few more toys and in the form of good press. Good press is the only reason banks have these trees but they need all the good press they can get.

If you peel back more to find the truth to this story, you will likely find some fruitcake like Annie Gaylor behind it. Its could be the org. that put up the tree has something going on in it (fraud ect.) but its a better bet its a fruitcake like Annie. There is one thing that is for sure though, and that the tree was not removed due to lack of profit for the mall, the mall knows full well they make money on it, not lose money and they get good press from it. Somebody caused the mall to rethink the tree to the point they were willing to remove it and lose money and get bad press and the mall felt it was better for that to happen then keep the tree. Think about it. Now find out WHO was behind this and make sure to not support them with your hard earned money. And dont forget to TELL the people behind pressuring the mall to remove the tree, WHY they cant have any more of your money.

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Since it seems like you have an explanation, please explain this:
A few years ago, I belonged to a small British Car Club and once a year we would display cars inside the mall and it seemed to bring in many customers. We were not allowed to advertise anything for sale.
We followed their rules to the letter! In and out On time, and never left signs of ever being there.
Last year they said we could no longer use there facility unless we PAID A FEE!

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Who cares? What does that have to do with the tree?

(quoted from post at 18:55:32 11/15/14)

(quoted from post at 12:45:41 11/15/14)

(quoted from post at 18:25:23 11/15/14)

(quoted from post at 11:31:57 11/15/14)
Mall management decided they would no longer allow Non-Profit organizations to do this because there was [b:c3cd1ad6a9]NO PROFIT FOR THE MALL!!![/b:c3cd1ad6a9]

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I dont believe that for a second.

I will bet every dollar in my wallet somebody squealed and put enough perssure on the mall owners that the owners just gave up and said enough, the tree goes. Its a fact that these trees are a boon to the mall or where ever they are placed. In a retail outlet (like a mall), almost all of the gifts get purchaced in that establishment. Think about it, nobody goes to the mall, grabs tag which means a gift for a kid and then EXITS to go somewhere else. No, they go there to buy gifts for thier family, and usually as an afterthought, grab a tag off the tree and buy that gift too. Its a boon for the mall to have a tree up both in order to sell a few more toys and in the form of good press. Good press is the only reason banks have these trees but they need all the good press they can get.

If you peel back more to find the truth to this story, you will likely find some fruitcake like Annie Gaylor behind it. Its could be the org. that put up the tree has something going on in it (fraud ect.) but its a better bet its a fruitcake like Annie. There is one thing that is for sure though, and that the tree was not removed due to lack of profit for the mall, the mall knows full well they make money on it, not lose money and they get good press from it. Somebody caused the mall to rethink the tree to the point they were willing to remove it and lose money and get bad press and the mall felt it was better for that to happen then keep the tree. Think about it. Now find out WHO was behind this and make sure to not support them with your hard earned money. And dont forget to TELL the people behind pressuring the mall to remove the tree, WHY they cant have any more of your money.

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Since it seems like you have an explanation, please explain this:
A few years ago, I belonged to a small British Car Club and once a year we would display cars inside the mall and it seemed to bring in many customers. We were not allowed to advertise anything for sale.
We followed their rules to the letter! In and out On time, and never left signs of ever being there.
Last year they said we could no longer use there facility unless we PAID A FEE!

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Who cares? What does that have to do with the tree?

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SAME MALL--- basically similar situation---Mall wants money!

(quoted from post at 12:59:36 11/15/14)

(quoted from post at 18:55:32 11/15/14)

(quoted from post at 12:45:41 11/15/14)

(quoted from post at 18:25:23 11/15/14)

(quoted from post at 11:31:57 11/15/14)
Mall management decided they would no longer allow Non-Profit organizations to do this because there was [b:8430e718ba]NO PROFIT FOR THE MALL!!![/b:8430e718ba]

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I dont believe that for a second.

I will bet every dollar in my wallet somebody squealed and put enough perssure on the mall owners that the owners just gave up and said enough, the tree goes. Its a fact that these trees are a boon to the mall or where ever they are placed. In a retail outlet (like a mall), almost all of the gifts get purchaced in that establishment. Think about it, nobody goes to the mall, grabs tag which means a gift for a kid and then EXITS to go somewhere else. No, they go there to buy gifts for thier family, and usually as an afterthought, grab a tag off the tree and buy that gift too. Its a boon for the mall to have a tree up both in order to sell a few more toys and in the form of good press. Good press is the only reason banks have these trees but they need all the good press they can get.

If you peel back more to find the truth to this story, you will likely find some fruitcake like Annie Gaylor behind it. Its could be the org. that put up the tree has something going on in it (fraud ect.) but its a better bet its a fruitcake like Annie. There is one thing that is for sure though, and that the tree was not removed due to lack of profit for the mall, the mall knows full well they make money on it, not lose money and they get good press from it. Somebody caused the mall to rethink the tree to the point they were willing to remove it and lose money and get bad press and the mall felt it was better for that to happen then keep the tree. Think about it. Now find out WHO was behind this and make sure to not support them with your hard earned money. And dont forget to TELL the people behind pressuring the mall to remove the tree, WHY they cant have any more of your money.

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Since it seems like you have an explanation, please explain this:
A few years ago, I belonged to a small British Car Club and once a year we would display cars inside the mall and it seemed to bring in many customers. We were not allowed to advertise anything for sale.
We followed their rules to the letter! In and out On time, and never left signs of ever being there.
Last year they said we could no longer use there facility unless we PAID A FEE!

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Who cares? What does that have to do with the tree?

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SAME MALL--- basically similar situation---Mall wants money!

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BS.

The mall got good money and good press from the tree. SOMEBODY made it so difficult for the mall that it was easier for them to give the tree the boot than to deal with whoever was squealing. Do you get it yet? The mall was getting money and more money (sales + good press), you CANT say it was a lack of profit situation. You simply CANT say that honestly.

Do some research, somebody caused the problem with the mall, the question is WHO.

(quoted from post at 12:59:36 11/15/14)

(quoted from post at 18:55:32 11/15/14)

(quoted from post at 12:45:41 11/15/14)

(quoted from post at 18:25:23 11/15/14)

(quoted from post at 11:31:57 11/15/14)
Mall management decided they would no longer allow Non-Profit organizations to do this because there was [b:3ac5642f39]NO PROFIT FOR THE MALL!!![/b:3ac5642f39]

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I dont believe that for a second.

I will bet every dollar in my wallet somebody squealed and put enough perssure on the mall owners that the owners just gave up and said enough, the tree goes. Its a fact that these trees are a boon to the mall or where ever they are placed. In a retail outlet (like a mall), almost all of the gifts get purchaced in that establishment. Think about it, nobody goes to the mall, grabs tag which means a gift for a kid and then EXITS to go somewhere else. No, they go there to buy gifts for thier family, and usually as an afterthought, grab a tag off the tree and buy that gift too. Its a boon for the mall to have a tree up both in order to sell a few more toys and in the form of good press. Good press is the only reason banks have these trees but they need all the good press they can get.

If you peel back more to find the truth to this story, you will likely find some fruitcake like Annie Gaylor behind it. Its could be the org. that put up the tree has something going on in it (fraud ect.) but its a better bet its a fruitcake like Annie. There is one thing that is for sure though, and that the tree was not removed due to lack of profit for the mall, the mall knows full well they make money on it, not lose money and they get good press from it. Somebody caused the mall to rethink the tree to the point they were willing to remove it and lose money and get bad press and the mall felt it was better for that to happen then keep the tree. Think about it. Now find out WHO was behind this and make sure to not support them with your hard earned money. And dont forget to TELL the people behind pressuring the mall to remove the tree, WHY they cant have any more of your money.

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Since it seems like you have an explanation, please explain this:
A few years ago, I belonged to a small British Car Club and once a year we would display cars inside the mall and it seemed to bring in many customers. We were not allowed to advertise anything for sale.
We followed their rules to the letter! In and out On time, and never left signs of ever being there.
Last year they said we could no longer use there facility unless we PAID A FEE!

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Who cares? What does that have to do with the tree?

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SAME MALL--- basically similar situation---Mall wants money!

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Forgot to add: NOT similar at all, not even close. Are you trying to compair your car club to a giving tree? Man, thats a stretch. All I can say to that is.... wow. No Wow. Really WOW.

So are you saying increased sales at the stores (because of this tree) directly made a difference in what the mall made in dollars per year?

I thought mall (store) space was rented by the square foot; not a percentage of the stores sales.
So the mall makes the same with or without the tree.
Only difference would be if a stores sales dropped so much because of the tree loss that they moved out leaving a empty space.

I have not been in a mall in years, last time I went was around 2006
or 7 to get our computer repaired since that was the place that
would work on it. Not my idea of fun but everyone likes something
different.
Zach

(quoted from post at 13:55:38 11/15/14) So are you saying increased sales at the stores (because of this tree) directly made a difference in what the mall made in dollars per year?

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Anybody knows (or should know) that anything done to increase sales in a malls stores causes the malls rent per square foot to go up. When a mall advertises, when a mall brings in a santa, when a mall brings in a fashon show, when a mall does ANYTHING and it brings in business, it makes the rent per square foot of store worth more. Why do you think the malls do those things (and many more)? They do it to make the rents go up. So yes, in theory, having a giving tree in the mall makes the malls income go up because it draws in business to the stores, thus the mall can charge higher rents.

I thought everybody knew this stuff?

(quoted from post at 13:55:38 11/15/14)I thought mall (store) space was rented by the square foot; not a percentage of the stores sales.
So the mall makes the same with or without the tree.
Only difference would be if a stores sales dropped so much because of the tree loss that they moved out leaving a empty space.

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You are thinking short term and on a micro scale (both are KILLERS to business BTW). You could look at, for example, all the tags on the tree, add up thier cost and then factor in that each single tag was coupled with gift buying for family members of the person that took the tag of say, $125. Now add up that money and the tree likely only brings in business of, say, $50,000 to the mall. You could then divide that money to all the stores (50,000/150) and say that the couple hundred per store is nothing. Thats short sighted. Look at it on a larger scale, year after year, promotion after promotion. That adds up to big money. Big money that the stores want part of so they pay a competive rent for. Rent goes up for the mall/landlord and he gets even more money.

See, you are correct that the mall gets X dollars per square foot of space but you overlooked the money that promotions brings in and thus raises the rent per square foot.

BTW, I have heard of store sales being paid as a part of rent but that is not a common way for rent to be charged and thus outside this discussion so I wont get into it here, I will save that for another day! (you're welcome).

My guess is one of those Atheist that don't like
Christmas and doesn't want anyone else to like it
either.

There's another possible explanation for the Christmas "gift" tree being removed. It'this--malls get multiple requests from non-profit groups to hold events in their facility--especially during the Christmas season. It maybe---that they were overwhelmed with requests and decided to not allow any of the non-profits to participate--so as not having to pick and choose.

Some commercial space is rented at so much a foot plus a percentage of the till.

My guess is the mall passed a rule and is sticking with it with no exceptions. They probly aren't directly against the tree, but that same rule probly keeps alot of other riff raff out of the mall through out the year. The mall itself doesn't see any profit directly from the tree. They only collect rent from the stores that occupy the space. The stores might gain an extra sell or two, but lets face it, that is not going to make or break them as to wether they can afford to stay in the mall. My 2 cents. And yes, it is sad to see what todays world is becomeing to be.

This will be the first time in 28 years that angle tree will not be in the hallway of the Mall.

Jiles, I would like you to scan and post where you saw that in print so that we can see it. I Get tired of everybody knocking business and PROFIT. PROFIT is not a dirty word. Without profit businesses close. There are lots of closed up malls across the country where people used to have jobs for which they got paid and part of that pay went to state, local and federal taxes. Fewer people paying taxes means tax rates go up. Many businesses close. Many business don't make a profit. People always talk about corporations being hungry for their profits. Many of them are, but many are just trying to keep the doors open. Well, I'm here to tell you Jiles that many corporations are not making a profit. Your statement makes it sound like you think that every dollar that they bring in is profit. After they pay for heat and lights for everyone hanging out there is no doubt many times when there is no profit. I owned a small 6 employee business for twenty-five years. I never made a profit in Jan or Feb. and I lost money in 1990 and 1991. I had to work hard and sacrifice in order to be able to keep paying my employees. Life is not all a bed of roses for business owners.

(quoted from post at 17:50:51 11/15/14) This will be the first time in 28 years that angle tree will not be in the hallway of the Mall.

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Yep, thats a shame, no doubt about it. But when locals dont care, thats the way it goes...

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(quoted from post at 17:50:51 11/15/14) This will be the first time in 28 years that angle tree will not be in the hallway of the Mall.

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Yep, thats a shame, no doubt about it. But when locals dont care, thats the way it goes...

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Well if it's the malls I've been to in the last few years they don't make any money on it. No toy stores in the malls around here sense KB went out of business.

Rick

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(quoted from post at 18:23:15 11/15/14)

(quoted from post at 17:50:51 11/15/14) This will be the first time in 28 years that angle tree will not be in the hallway of the Mall.

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Yep, thats a shame, no doubt about it. But when locals dont care, thats the way it goes...

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Well if it's the malls I've been to in the last few years they don't make any money on it. No toy stores in the malls around here sense KB went out of business.

Rick

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The malls make money, kids get more than just toys. Mittens, socks, school supplies, stuffed animals, electronics, DVDs, and the gift that gives anything - gift cards. All of those are available at your local mall, even if there is no longer a dedicated toy store. The malls make money on promotions like giving trees, the tree Jiles is crying about didnt get the boot because the mall didnt get any "profit", there is another reason. The problem is, nobody cares and when people dont care things like this happen The tree goes away, simple as that.

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(quoted from post at 11:31:57 11/15/14)
Mall management decided they would no longer allow Non-Profit organizations to do this because there was [b:6f24457ca1]NO PROFIT FOR THE MALL!!![/b:6f24457ca1]

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I dont believe that for a second.

I will bet every dollar in my wallet somebody squealed and put enough perssure on the mall owners that the owners just gave up and said enough, the tree goes. Its a fact that these trees are a boon to the mall or where ever they are placed. In a retail outlet (like a mall), almost all of the gifts get purchaced in that establishment. Think about it, nobody goes to the mall, grabs tag which means a gift for a kid and then EXITS to go somewhere else. No, they go there to buy gifts for thier family, and usually as an afterthought, grab a tag off the tree and buy that gift too. Its a boon for the mall to have a tree up both in order to sell a few more toys and in the form of good press. Good press is the only reason banks have these trees but they need all the good press they can get.

If you peel back more to find the truth to this story, you will likely find some fruitcake like Annie Gaylor behind it. Its could be the org. that put up the tree has something going on in it (fraud ect.) but its a better bet its a fruitcake like Annie. There is one thing that is for sure though, and that the tree was not removed due to lack of profit for the mall, the mall knows full well they make money on it, not lose money and they get good press from it. Somebody caused the mall to rethink the tree to the point they were willing to remove it and lose money and get bad press and the mall felt it was better for that to happen then keep the tree. Think about it. Now find out WHO was behind this and make sure to not support them with your hard earned money. And dont forget to TELL the people behind pressuring the mall to remove the tree, WHY they cant have any more of your money.

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I agree completely. It's surely the anti-Christmas, atheist, anti-faith crowd behind it. A more hate filled group you will never find.