Field Tiling

Can any and all fields/ground type be tiled effectively? If one has water standing on top of the ground from time to time, can tiling relieve it?
I only have a little but I sure am tired of fighting mud in both the spring and the fall.
 
Generally, so long as there is sufficient drop in the tile to prevent premature silting-up.

Dean
 
'Here' yes tile helps anything.

I have heard of certain topsoil and subsoil situations that are very tight and just don't drain. In those cases very very close tile spacings, and bedding the tile in small rock might work, but gets very spendy very fast.

Our ground is all rolling hills, which leave dips and depressions - prairie potholes they call it. Each one is a shallow dish, I have a 40 acre field I think we have 12 different depressions between the 20 different small hills. Each one catches different amounts of water and drains slowly, water table is high here.

When dad was a kid 1/2 this farm was a hay meadow, too wet to farm, could grow fuel for the horses.

I live in an area of 120 feet deep yellow and blue clays with a little peat ground thrown in, and tile just works very well.

If it works here, it can be made to work anywhere I would think.

There can be unusual situations, but in general, it should work.

You need an outlet - ditch or creek or ravine to drain into.

You need govt approval.

Typically nice to be about 3 feet deep, at least 2 and up to 4 works.

On the biggest depressions we put open intakes, this pulls sitting water right into the tile and moves it out. Of late it is preferred you put a spiral of tile under ground, fill with pea gravel and use this to somewhat filter out and drain such spots.

For just wet areas small tile spaced 30 to 100 feet apart parrallel in a pattern can lower the water table and allow a field to grow really good crops. The small tile connect to a larger tile main that moves the water away to the ditch or other.

Dad ran a whole lot of 6 to 10 inch main tile through this farm in the 1960s to make it farmable. But that left a lot of wet seepy areas on the sidehils and 60 feet away from the tile lines in the low ground - the water keeps oozing out from the higher ground.

I used dads main lines and added a lot of pattern tile in the past 5 years, we spaced those small 4 inch tile lines 80 feet apart and went 4/5 of the way up the sidehils to get the water out before it comes to the surface.

Has made a world of difference, even on dry years!

You can go cheaper and 'just do the wet spot' but plan a little at least to allow for adding on in a few years. When you fix that low wet spot you will then find out the areas 100 feet around it are also wet, and could use help too.... Its best to cut off water a little higher up the hill so it does t all have to push down into the lowest spot on its own.

Another issue is if you have to run the main tile any distance, make it big enough! Dad wanted to tile together with a neighbor, drain our and his property. No, no, too expensive, so dad just ran an 8 inch tile to drain our field. 2 years later. With or saw how nice that was, and begged to hook on. So dad let him, bit the tile was too small and not deep enough, so it only helped a part of the neighbor, and his water came down the tile and flooded our field again!

So dad put in a 10 inch tile beside just to our wet spot again.

20 years later the neighbor and 2 others hooked on more tile and lines, and so much water was coming down that 8 inch tile, it was bubbling up in our field, and going down into the 10 inch tile, but because of the flatter slope of our land than the neighbors, both the 8 and 10 inch tile were full and our field was flooded out again.

Just in the past few years I bought some of that land, and a newer neighbor and I ran a new 15 inch tile aside the 8 and 10 inch tile to get the water draining from that area. When dad started, his goal was to drain 12 acres with that 8 inch tile. When we look at it now, close to 200 acres was hooked up to that old private tile. Yikes!

The moral is to plan ahead, even of you want to just do a small little bit.

Make the main tile a little big. Set up a pattern even if you don't use the whole pattern, make it easy to expand a little in the future. Because once you see how nice it makes things, you -will- do more.

Paul
 
Those of us in wet areas always joke, tile doesn't cost, it pays!

I put $700 an acre into a 40 3 years ago, dad already had it tiled some but not enough, but I think I got it paid back already and technically we have been on the dry side.....

I mudded around in that field, work and plant a few 100 feet every few days to chase the mud, it drowns out, it grows poor in the lows, I spend the seed, the extra fuel, the time repeating, get stuck or leave tracks wrecking crop cultivating or spraying, the corn gets shallow roots in the wet spring and then dies in the August dry when the roots are too shallow to get to moisture.... Waste the seed, fertilizer, spray, and time and get 1/2 yield on those low spots. Weeds grow extra well so always have to work harder and cost more to control them.

Tile doesn't cost, it pays! ;)

Paul
 
The idea of putting tile a little up the hill if you have hills and low spots is very good advice. We had an older tiler do quite a bit for us and it saved having to go do it again.
 
It's hard to say without seeing what you are dealing with. Farmers don't have to tile much around here, but there is some I am sure in larger areas that don't slope or have natural drainage.

In this area, I find from many of the fields I worked in, that water can be trapped and grading the surface so it runs off, may suffice.

I've seen it where vegetation has changed things and trapped water here, have one place like that where the tractor path made kind of a small ridge that traps water on the opposite side.

Some use a subsoiler to relieve standing water, using it to make a tiny ditch.

"Call before you dig" (make the call if you need to) and avoid wetlands, both can be a can of worms.
 
Here in so. Mn. Install tile, buy fertilizer. I've heard tell many times if you can't afford to do both then choose to do the tiling. You will get a bigger return for the buck.
 
must have an outlet and enough fall to the outlet. also you have to have enough depth of soil to bury the tile.
I have 30 acres that could use tile but I dont know if I can the soil is only about 4 to 5 feet then flat rock bottom.
sandy or silty soils may need a sock over the tile to keep it from plugging up.
 
Anything can be tiled as long as you have good outlet. Just make sure you get a good contractor to do it. Tile put in wrong is worse than no tile at all. Just make sure you have a big enough main tile. On .1 slope which means every 1000feet the tile comes up a foot. A 6in will drain 10 acres a 8 wilk drain 20 and a 10 will drain 40. And tile can be put through bed rock ive done it before it just gets expensive
 
You can save a lot if you hire a backhoe and provide the manual labor to bury the tile in the bottom of the trench. Then all you're paying for is the operator and the machine, not a full crew with a trencher.

With a backhoe you can see when you hit the spring, and follow it for maximum effectiveness.
 
There are a lot of variables involved in tile installation. Installed tile needs to be at a grade (fall) for water to promptly exit the system. Grade has to be consistent and that is near impossible to do with a backhoe in a situation where the tile is near to flat. Tile should be 30" or deeper to minimize risk of crushing plus in northern regions so as not to freeze up. Soil type dictates distance between lines for effectiveness. Clay soils need spacings of 50 feet or less apart unless the field itself is sloped 8 to 10 percent. Sandy soil will allow for greater distances apart. You need to check with FSA for wetlands or conservation issues especially if you have not owned the ground in question for long. The field should be surveyed with a transit to determine grades. Staking with string levels or lasers work well to assure the proper depth of the machine doing the installation work. Trenches have an advantage if old tile is suspected of being in the field.
 
yeah but I think it may only be 3 ft at the outlet so by the time you get to the other side of the field the tile will be on top of the ground if you put any grade to it at all.
 
(quoted from post at 12:39:32 11/05/14) 'Here' yes tile helps anything.

I have heard of certain topsoil and subsoil situations that are very tight and just don't drain. In those cases very very close tile spacings, and bedding the tile in small rock might work, but gets very spendy very fast.

Our ground is all rolling hills, which leave dips and depressions - prairie potholes they call it. Each one is a shallow dish, I have a 40 acre field I think we have 12 different depressions between the 20 different small hills. Each one catches different amounts of water and drains slowly, water table is high here.

When dad was a kid 1/2 this farm was a hay meadow, too wet to farm, could grow fuel for the horses.

I live in an area of 120 feet deep yellow and blue clays with a little peat ground thrown in, and tile just works very well.

If it works here, it can be made to work anywhere I would think.

There can be unusual situations, but in general, it should work.

You need an outlet - ditch or creek or ravine to drain into.

You need govt approval.

Typically nice to be about 3 feet deep, at least 2 and up to 4 works.

On the biggest depressions we put open intakes, this pulls sitting water right into the tile and moves it out. Of late it is preferred you put a spiral of tile under ground, fill with pea gravel and use this to somewhat filter out and drain such spots.

For just wet areas small tile spaced 30 to 100 feet apart parrallel in a pattern can lower the water table and allow a field to grow really good crops. The small tile connect to a larger tile main that moves the water away to the ditch or other.

Dad ran a whole lot of 6 to 10 inch main tile through this farm in the 1960s to make it farmable. But that left a lot of wet seepy areas on the sidehils and 60 feet away from the tile lines in the low ground - the water keeps oozing out from the higher ground.

I used dads main lines and added a lot of pattern tile in the past 5 years, we spaced those small 4 inch tile lines 80 feet apart and went 4/5 of the way up the sidehils to get the water out before it comes to the surface.

Has made a world of difference, even on dry years!

You can go cheaper and 'just do the wet spot' but plan a little at least to allow for adding on in a few years. When you fix that low wet spot you will then find out the areas 100 feet around it are also wet, and could use help too.... Its best to cut off water a little higher up the hill so it does t all have to push down into the lowest spot on its own.

Another issue is if you have to run the main tile any distance, make it big enough! Dad wanted to tile together with a neighbor, drain our and his property. No, no, too expensive, so dad just ran an 8 inch tile to drain our field. 2 years later. With or saw how nice that was, and begged to hook on. So dad let him, bit the tile was too small and not deep enough, so it only helped a part of the neighbor, and his water came down the tile and flooded our field again!

So dad put in a 10 inch tile beside just to our wet spot again.

20 years later the neighbor and 2 others hooked on more tile and lines, and so much water was coming down that 8 inch tile, it was bubbling up in our field, and going down into the 10 inch tile, but because of the flatter slope of our land than the neighbors, both the 8 and 10 inch tile were full and our field was flooded out again.

Just in the past few years I bought some of that land, and a newer neighbor and I ran a new 15 inch tile aside the 8 and 10 inch tile to get the water draining from that area. When dad started, his goal was to drain 12 acres with that 8 inch tile. When we look at it now, close to 200 acres was hooked up to that old private tile. Yikes!

The moral is to plan ahead, even of you want to just do a small little bit.

Make the main tile a little big. Set up a pattern even if you don't use the whole pattern, make it easy to expand a little in the future. Because once you see how nice it makes things, you -will- do more.

Paul

Around here that would have been a Municipal Drain and pre-planned. Your Father would not have been drowned out and your neighbours could not have free-loaded.
 
This place has notably heavy soils and should be tiled, but I'm not sure how much it would help. We have surface water standing only a few feet from a ditch, often 2 or 3 days after it's rained. This past June I dug a couple post holes for a gate about 100' away and 6' higher than the the creek, and while damp at the surface, by the time I got to 2' deep I could bail a quart coffee can about every 2 minutes, meaning they each flowed better than 7 gallons an hour.

About 8 of the 10 "usable" acres here have no good place to drain to, either not being high enough from the road ditch and creek, or without cutting 10-12' deep through a knoll to get sufficient depth at the top (south end) of the fields, and sufficient drop at the bottom (north end). There is a slight surface slope from west to east that goes to a couple drain tiles under a private ROW (with a buried gas line on it), and nothing significantly lower on the other side of that. Most of the bigger field is practically swamp at the higher west side.

I only partly joke with the wife that we should take up raising rice, or cranberries, if we weren't too old to start over.

I figure it would cost more to properly tile this place than it would to sell it at half price and move, and all that extra water going down the creek could cause flooding down hill of us even in a dry spell.

Maybe Nestle or Coke will make us an offer we can't refuse for rights to all this spring water we're sitting on, but I won't hold my breath.
 

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