The advantage of buying older equipment.

Dave H (MI)

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After that first year when you have repaired or rebuilt almost every thing that moves on it you will know more about it than the manufacturer. Then in the future when it breaks down you can diagnose what is wrong just by guessing. Bought the only IH corn head I could find AND afford to do my corn this fall. To date I have put a poly kit in the auger bed, replaced most of the gatherer chains, and about to do all of the roller knives. Every adjustment and all the timing reset. Per the manual...there is nothing left. Honestly, I think I am way ahead of the game by the education it gave me.
 
I have six 85-105 hp tractors and 2 wheeI Ioaders.
TotaI money invested is Iess than 40 grand for the Iot,..At a minimum it's onIy haIf the price of 1 new tractor.
YearIy parts biII is on average onIy a coupIe grand if that.

One can't beat buying used equipment and repairing it DIY
IMO it is the diff in making a farm pay or having just a money sink hoIe.
 
It's about business models,, you have to ask are you a farmer who does mechanical work OR a mechanic who farms? The mechanical skills are an asset to the farming operation and can shift your business plan to the good. Farm equipment is a bit different than cars and trucks is that you don't have as much exposure on accidents destroying them on the road so if it's going to generate revenue you can afford to repair or upgrade. The repairs will provide value to you for a number of years so in effect the cost of these repairs is spread out across several crops, not really much different than the deprecation you get on new equipment. So if you buy older equipment and sink a lot of time and money into but are doing the work yourself you can afford that. You might be able to own multiple old units for less than the cost of one new or near new. If you select well these units can back each other up and all you have to cover is known weak spots, but you'd end up doing that with new equipment anyway.
 

When you get to making money with your old equipment and have to pay your fair share of income tax then you can buy new and wright it off.. Then your tax money can go toward newer equipment you don't have to work on instead of paying for making baby's... I do understand were you are at tho....
 
The way I see it is, it's paid for itself in a short time and if things go south it can sit under the shelter cause it aint eating and doesn't belong to mister finance
 
I was reading your post, agreeing with you yes yes yes yes, but then you said There's nothing left. I thought Oh boy...
 
That becomes a balancing act because the more units that you have, the more time you have to spend on maintenance. That's fine if you have the time, but doesn't work too well if you don't have the time.

If you aren't mechanically inclined enough to do your own work, it can be your worst downfall. Had a neighbor that could not repair anyything. As he was nearing retirement, that year cost him over $20K for repair bills.

He put in for early retirement, rented out the farmland and sold his machinery. He made more money renting out the land than he could farming it himself, with all the associated repair bills.
 
Exactly. And I always have a "fall back". As I move up in size I keep the last smaller unit around. Keeps me from having to repair anything major on the field. This really works for me as a whole.
 
I know exactly what you mean, Dick. I have added a lot of new (to me) equipment in the last year to accommodate a switch in our business model. When you add 5-6 new units and they ALL need attention...let's just say the last year has been a "wrenching" experience!
 
I would agree that it can increase your profits, but like all the things mentioned, doing the repairs, overhaul whatever needed, in house, you have to be able to do that. I can look back at my silly and well worn tractor and know it owes me nothing, repairs and maintenance included, its done enough work and years ago a few jobs I used it on, really put that line item into the black, that was just being fortunate. All that time, no payment or financial burden, justified something used and or old, but capable with periodic maintenance and some up front repairs which I did myself.

I look at it like this. If you have a job, a decent paying one great, but maybe its not so well paying. So now you need a vehicle to get to that job, you cannot risk losing that job, so do you go used and spin the roulette wheel, or do you go new, payment is within means, and you just make the payment and for what should be a long period of time you just have simple maintenance, and no down time, whereas used, as we all know, depending on what you get and its condition, it could cost you. The other thing is, modern vehicles are not so friendly to the home mechanic.

So with farming, say you went and located machinery that you need in a condition that you can pencil out for overhaul, repair or whatever it takes, to get it field ready, compare against new, compare acquisition costs and repair costs to new, and include expected hours, throw in some major repairs to make that number more realistic, the only issue is that you have machinery that is X numbers of years old, no payment, (your invested$$$ though) and an expectation of certain longevity.

The farmer I worked with had a decent eye for used, and at one time before the fire destroyed his shop, could do a lot of repairs in house. He bought what made sense, not new, not antique either. Most of that was for grain crops, so he realized better profits, still had maintenance and as I recall in a certain span of several years, had one major repair on the combine, a JD6620. The tandem sileage body truck seemed to cost him in repairs and maintenance, '74 mack, he ran it for 15 years, before he upgraded to something much newer in better condition not so prone to break downs and high repair costs, as that truck usually went to a repair shop, we did not work on it. The truck was important, without it he'd have to hire out, he made it work long term, and always made a paycheck after all was said and done.

On the hay side, I believe he had sold some land over the years, probably tucked most of that away, and decided to go for some new equipment and add a late model 7720 to the fleet. He had not bought a new tractor, 30 years maybe, and this was not new, but low hour, came off the horse racing track. New round baler and disc mower, all JD. He did get a new JD heavy disc too, so for replanting, and the grain side of it, not sure where that penciled in, and it was the most new equipment I have ever seen on one farm around here. From what I could see, the hay ground was large enough to support this endeavor, few hundred acres, hay was usually all sold up front, and if that buyer stopped, he had others, so over a period of 5 years, he went at it and it seemed to go well, no real costly breakdowns, he rented the baler out besides his own work, that just filled in a few gaps, and I think I recall one repair on the baler, so as he predicted, all of it would be paid off at a certain point, he'd still have decent equipment, some equity in it, and mostly maintenance. As his health faded, he got out of grain crops, and sold off all of that equipment, just stayed with hay, and it seemed to make sense how he had it set up. The key was he had the liquidity to invest up front, but I believe he still financed some or all of it. I enjoyed helping him and learning how it all worked on his end, he kinda did both and carefully made it work.
 

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