MarkB_MI
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It could have happened but would not have caused enough injury to require medical attention. The case or powder would have been more likely. I once had a case fragment penetrate the skin on my arm, For that reason competitive shooters wear safety glasses
Nate V. IA
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I watched a youtube video of a guy inserting a 22 lr shell into a drinking straw. He tossed it into the air and when striking the pavement it did discharge. The straw did not survive.
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I would wager it was more like shrapnel than a bullet. On a rim fire though, I could possibly see it... if it hit something relatively sharp, like gravel or such. Still extremely uncommon. Quality seems to vary so much from 22 to 22, even by the same manufacturer in the same box.
Mike(NEOhio)
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Without being confined to a barrel it could not have developed much velocity. When I was a kid I remember stories of guys throwing 22s to the floor to get them to go off. Risky but never heard of any injuries.
Russ from MN
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Probably a little cut from brass shrapnel.
Goose
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When I was a dumb kid, (as opposed to being a dumb adult), I once managed to explode a .22 shell in my dad's shop. I noticed a trickle of blood on my right middle finger at the time, but ignored it.
Ten years later, when I was in the Marine Corps, that spot on my finger began to fester and a small piece of brass came out.
Ten years later, when I was in the Marine Corps, that spot on my finger began to fester and a small piece of brass came out.
Robert Major
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Hi
Like others have said way to little info here.
But I bet there is enough for the gun lobbyists to start using it, for another reason to ban any gun!
Regards Robert
Like others have said way to little info here.
But I bet there is enough for the gun lobbyists to start using it, for another reason to ban any gun!
Regards Robert
When I was a kid, myself and the former DA of our county, also a kid at that time, decided it would be cool to smash so 22LR's with rocks. You guessed it. Tiny shrapnel wounds. Not smart, but not a big deal. My Mom had a 30-06 round that was under the seat of a truck just go off one day. They figure some sort of static electricity charge, but I figured it was her hubby sliding the seat back right about then. They liked their story better than mine.
I once had a coil blow up on me. Weird things happen occasionally.
I once had a coil blow up on me. Weird things happen occasionally.
GeneMO
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I have probably dropped about 5,000 .22 shells in my lifetime on all sorts of surfaces, many, many on concrete. I aint buying it.
More to the story than that.
Gene
More to the story than that.
Gene
Friends who have been able to find any rim-fire ammo have complained about poor quality; failure to fire and extraction problems from firearms with no history of malfunctioning. Perhaps the cartridge she dropped was of poor quality, with a section of the rim so thin it was able to fire simply by being dropped.
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MarkB_MI
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The story is so implausible you have to assume the sheriff's department is complicit in covering up whatever it was that actually happened. No competent LEO is going to believe it.
First off, the cartridge had to roll off the bench top. Rimmed cartridges like .22 rimfire don't easily roll off tabletops, unless they're right by the edge.
Next the cartridge had to hit concrete hard enough and at the right angle to ignite the primer. I suppose it's possible, even from a three foot high shooting bench, but it wouldn't happen one time in a thousand.
Assuming the cartridge actually went off, it still had to send metal far enough into the woman's leg to require a visit to the hospital. Basic physics says the bullet isn't going to go anywhere, so you have to assume the woman was hit by the cartridge case and was wearing short pants. In all, it is possible, but the odds it actually happened are right up there with my odds of winning the lottery. And I've never bought a ticket.
Here's an alternate story:
The woman and her boyfriend go to the range. The boyfriend accidentally shoots her, which means a trip to the hospital. Boyfriend is not happy about this, nor is the range owner, since gunshot wounds are automatically reported to the police. Range owner and boyfriend put their heads together with the sheriff's deputy, who happens to be a buddy, and come up with this absurd story that gets both the boyfriend and range owner off the hook.
First off, the cartridge had to roll off the bench top. Rimmed cartridges like .22 rimfire don't easily roll off tabletops, unless they're right by the edge.
Next the cartridge had to hit concrete hard enough and at the right angle to ignite the primer. I suppose it's possible, even from a three foot high shooting bench, but it wouldn't happen one time in a thousand.
Assuming the cartridge actually went off, it still had to send metal far enough into the woman's leg to require a visit to the hospital. Basic physics says the bullet isn't going to go anywhere, so you have to assume the woman was hit by the cartridge case and was wearing short pants. In all, it is possible, but the odds it actually happened are right up there with my odds of winning the lottery. And I've never bought a ticket.
Here's an alternate story:
The woman and her boyfriend go to the range. The boyfriend accidentally shoots her, which means a trip to the hospital. Boyfriend is not happy about this, nor is the range owner, since gunshot wounds are automatically reported to the police. Range owner and boyfriend put their heads together with the sheriff's deputy, who happens to be a buddy, and come up with this absurd story that gets both the boyfriend and range owner off the hook.
Mark, having been a cop for over 20 years I can tell you this much. Lacking evidence to the contrary of a criminal wrongdoing this isn't going anywhere. I can not imagine any LEO not questioning this story as we are, but until there's evidence to support a charge- end of story.
We should also remember and take into consideration that this whole thread is based on a news story, the same news that get's facts wrong time after time, day after day. It's not at all unlikely that the story is missing some facts or that the reporter made some assumptions or misunderstood what he was told.
We should also remember and take into consideration that this whole thread is based on a news story, the same news that get's facts wrong time after time, day after day. It's not at all unlikely that the story is missing some facts or that the reporter made some assumptions or misunderstood what he was told.
Once worked at a Moline dealer. The father-in-law could throw 22 shells on the floor and could get about one in 5 or 6 to go off. The lead would be laying there and the casing went about 25 to 30 feet. We thought was kinda neat. I could never get them to go off. Think I'll try the straw. 
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J.Wondergem
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When we were kids, we would tape a 22 shell to the end of our BB guns and shoot it off. Never hit anything with it, just a bang.
Yes, and all gun owners are ever so conscientious and responsible about every detail. They would NEVER leave a cartridge near the edge of the tabletop, right? I mean it could never ever ever possibly happen, ever, right?
1 in 1000 are pretty good odds, but several others here report having WITNESSED a 22 shell discharging after striking concrete. One person has claimed as many as 1 in 5 will go off.
It is entirely plausible that the shooter, not being the most experienced and/or a little sloppy, left some cartridges near the edge of the shooting bench.
Bench gets bumped, and one or more cartridges fall to the ground.
One lands somewhat square on its head on the concrete, and discharges.
The case being on its head against the concrete cannot go anywhere so the energy is directed upwards into the bullet.
The bullet, now carrying significant energy, but not having a barrel to guide it, moves off in an unpredictable direction with enough force to break the skin.
The woman receives a minor wound as the bullet strikes her. Protocols and policys demand and ambulance be called. She is transported to the hospital where they put a Hello Kitty bandaid on the wound.
The news leaves out several important details in order to sensationalize the story. Go figure.
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MarkB_MI
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Both you and Bret seem to think it's the press's fault this story doesn't make sense. But if you check out the link I posted, it has a video of the sheriff's deputy reciting the whole preposterous tale with a straight face. Either he believes it to be true, or he's in on it. Take your pick.
Or it could be it actually happened just like they said. Or it could be lacking any evidence to the contrary after investigating the event that he found the story plausible. Just because something doesn't make sense to you, especially when told by a 3rd party, doesn't mean it's a lie and a conspiracy. Now if you want lies and conspiracy I can direct you to the Clinton White House.......
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