kids and guns

Just saw a 9 year old girl killed her instructor with a fully automated hand gun the recoyle caused a uncontrolled lifting and she hit him in the head why would you have a 9 year old girl or boy using a gun like that????

My Son was shooting from 2nd grade on and fired his 1st Auto at age 9. its the instruction that you give them that counts

I know of a man who got shot with a gun that was not pointed at him

I'm not adverse to shooting at that age, but on a bench with a 22 and constant supervision seems a little more appropriate.

I thought it was a semi automatic. Fully automatic handguns are not legal.

A lot of people don't know the difference.
Too many Rambo movies.

Darn the bad luck.

1. Fully automatic weapons are legal if you have the proper license and tax stamps.

2. AFAIK, this was a full auto Uzi.

3. IMHO, it is criminally irresponsible to turn a kid loose with a weapon like that.

4. This kid will be scarred for life.

5. Too bad the guy got killed, but he was stupid.

It wasn't realy a hand gun. It was an Uzi. There is nothing in the story about it being fully automatic however the guy must have been an idiot to let the girl shoot the gun the first time fully loaded. I let my daughter shoot my 45 at an early age however I only put one round in the gun to see if she could handle it. She didn't want to shoot a second round anyway.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-shooting-range-instructor-dies-20140826-story.html

Don't know what happened but if taught as they should be taught kids and guns can mix well but any more few are taught the right way to handle firearms.
My kids never had toy guns and where taught from little one that NO gun is even unloaded etc etc

So like the "instructor" was trying for a Darwin award? First time I took the then girlfriend (now wife) shooting we started with a Ruger single six in .22, then worked are way up to the .45LC and then the 9mm. When I was deployed she used to like to keep the 9mm in the closet uncased. No matter how hard I tried I couldn't get her to park the 12 gauge double barrel with buckshot in there.

As another post stated, fully automatic(ed) guns, be they hand guns or rifles, are illegal without the proper paperwork, and fees paid. In other words she was shooting a semi auto handgun.

That said, what I typically see is that the shooter will anticipate the shot and the shot will go low, or the pistol will recoil back and the shot will go high. In either case if the guy was 'instructing' he should have been either behind, or directly beside the girl. In ether place he would have been in a safe area. The fact he got shot means he had no business at all instructing anyone because he didn't even know where to be to insure he didn't get shot.

I can say all of this with confidence because it's exactly what I have seen when I taught my daughter to shoot. She is now 11 but had been shooting with my wife and I since she was 8. So far she has shot everything from a .22 pistol to a friends .45, and everything in between. She has been to a gun safety course at our friends gun shop ( NRA instructors) as well as being taught by me, even before she went to the course, how to handle a gun of any type. She has shot everything from my Steyr .40 pistol to her Mom's Glock 9MM, and she absolutely loves our Colt Government model .380's. Now, her favorite pistol is a .357 2" stainless revolver that we just got for her, after she fell in love shooting her mom's blued one. Granted she usually shoots .38s in it but she has shot a .357 in it. I had told her that if she was going to say she had a .357 she had to shoot a .357 round in it. The first time she shot 'her' gun she didn't know the .357 round was in it as I had snuck it in as she was loading it. So, she shot it expecting the recoil of a .38 but got surprised. Even with the surprise and the extra recoil the shot went straight downrange and hit the dirt pile, NOT back toward her or me, nor toward either side. Even when she was shooting our friends .45 she was hitting the dirt, NOT shooting back, or sideways, towards any of us that were watching.

In the end I'll say it again. If an instructor gets shot just because the shooter experienced a little more recoil than they were expecting, regardless of the shooters age, size, or anything else, it was because he/she was in the wrong position, and therefore had no business instructing anyone because their own knowledge of firearm safety was severely lacking.

Saddly what happened happened, and I feel sorry for the girl as well as the guys family. Unfortunately it was his own stupidity that got him killed, NOT the gun, and surely NOT the girl or her age.

Have you seen the vid of the guy shooting the .50 rifle where the bullet hit the target 1000 yards downrange, and then came back, hit the ground, and then took his ear muffs off? Now that is scary........

Turn the sound up on your speakers and you can hear the bullet as it hits and then comes back.
Poke here for the vid

I agree with NCWayne

it was reported that she was shooting it in a single shot mode and doing well when it was switched to auto mode it when the accident happened why would any one putt a automatic uzi in the hand of a nine year old?

The Uzis once imported into the US were technically semiautomatic carbines. But it is possible to convert one of these guns to full auto, and it is possible to make it into a pistol by replacing the barrel. It is, of course, illegal to make these modifications without buying the appropriate license, but the conversions are legal if all the BATF rules are followed. It's also possible the gun was a legally licensed full auto machine pistol; I'm sure there are some in existence.

What you can be fairly certain of is it was not an unmodified Uzi civilian carbine. With its 16 inch barrel, even a nine year old should be able to control the carbine version..

In a video of the incident, it appears that the girl lost her left hand grip on the weapon, which then spun around and hit the instructor who was standing on her left. It's hard to tell the barrel length in the video, but it seems that the instructor would have had no trouble grabbing a long-barreled gun before it could come around and point towards him. My money is the Uzi was a full-auto, short barreled machine pistol.

Regardless, it seems highly inappropriate to put an Uzi in the hands of a young kid. But some folks think it's nothing more than a video game.

I wonder what the real story is. This incident shows how unreliable the media is. I had to Google it because I have links turned off. What I found were different stories with different accounts of what happened. The stories even have conflicting states and names for the range where it happened. At least one of the stories is a fabrication from a journalist, but which one?

My late uncle was shooting turtles on the bank of the Arkansas river in Oklahoma as a boy, the bullet ricocheted off a rock and hit him in the shin.

brandon,you asked "why anyone would put a uzi in the hand of a nine year old." I can"t speak for anyone other than my self and my answer is because they were ready to shoot it. Ready has 2 meanings in this case,let me explain. I told my kids from day one they could touch,hold,ask questions about and shoot any gun I own as long as I was with them at the time. Naturaly they would sometimes ask about shooting one that I felt they should wait until latter. I would explain why I thought it better to wait then leave the decission to them. My son still tells about the day he chose to shoot the Remington no.9 10ga after dad advised against it. We also agreed that if they even picked one up when I wasn"t present all bets were off and they would be suspended from gun handleing. The youngest is 40 now and I think it worked out well. So one form of "ready" was when they said they were ready,the other is when I said they were ready. If I had owned a Browning M2,sooner or latter they would have shot it. I"m not reccomending everyone approch it like I have but I believe a 22 rim fire is more dangerous in the hands of uneducated and unsupervised than a 12 gauge under supervision.

(quoted from post at 19:53:05 08/26/14) brandon,you asked "why anyone would put a uzi in the hand of a nine year old." I can"t speak for anyone other than my self and my answer is because they were ready to shoot it. Ready has 2 meanings in this case,let me explain. I told my kids from day one they could touch,hold,ask questions about and shoot any gun I own as long as I was with them at the time. Naturaly they would sometimes ask about shooting one that I felt they should wait until latter. I would explain why I thought it better to wait then leave the decission to them. My son still tells about the day he chose to shoot the Remington no.9 10ga after dad advised against it. We also agreed that if they even picked one up when I wasn"t present all bets were off and they would be suspended from gun handleing. The youngest is 40 now and I think it worked out well. So one form of "ready" was when they said they were ready,the other is when I said they were ready. If I had owned a Browning M2,sooner or latter they would have shot it. I"m not reccomending everyone approch it like I have but I believe a 22 rim fire is more dangerous in the hands of uneducated and unsupervised than a 12 gauge under supervision.

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Well someone thought she was ready and the instructor is dead. Guess she wasn't ready. Full auto weapons tend to rise when they are being fired. Most strong men can't control the muzzle rise on an M3 .45 "grease gun". An UZI machine pistol has a nasty rise for any inexperienced full auto shooter. Letting a 9 year old fire one is an accident waiting for the 9YO to pull the trigger. Least little mistake can turn into a tragedy. About the best full auto in terms of control is the M16/M4 variants. If you just gotta let a kid that age fire a fully auto gun that's about the best choice.

Rick

If an instructor is stupid enough to give a 9 year old girl a fully automatic gun he desered to get shot.

FWIW it is a "Mini" Uzi, the wire-style side folder stock is the dead giveaway, it is much smaller than a model A or B, and is a handful in full auto. This one is a select fire full auto, all legal if it has the proper paperwork, and I bet it does. It is nearly impossible to build a full auto now, and then it can only be transferred among others with permits to manufacture one. When Uziel Gal retired from the Isreali military Action Arms in the US hired him to redesign his carbine into a semi-auto that was difficult to convert and he did a good job, his old pals at IMI (Isreali Military Industries) built them, along with the Mini and Micro/Pistol models, for import by AA. You can still get an Uzi carbine from Vector or Century, but the quality is not near that of a real Uzi.