need some advise on haying

xcsp

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Hello
this year has been very trying for getting our first cut of hay in
well finally got to cut thursday here in ohio
Friday tedded hay
saturday tedded hay
drying nice just wanting to make sure it is dry to bale sunday late in the day
temps are 80 degrees today sunny.
I have seen guys cut the hay and put in windrow right away.
and let it stay that way until they bale .
my question is should I tedder hay again sunday before putting in windrow ???????
or just put in windrow tommorrow around noon and start our baling around 3 pm.
any advise would be appreciated just trying to see what other people do.
Thanks
Greg
 
If you've tedded it twice, you probably don't need to do it again unless its still wet on the bottom. I usually only ted once, and thats to spread it around and get rid of the "wads". If its pretty dry, I'd rake as soon as the dew is off, and bale in the afternoon.

To test it, take about an inch or 2 diameter gob in both hands, with your hands about 2 inches apart, palms down, like you're holding a bike handlebar. Imitate pedalling a bike with your hands, and count how many "revoulutions" it takes before the wad breaks. 7 is OK, 5 is probably better.
 
Go out and grab a handful of hay. With two hands. twist the hay around , and around. If it breaks into two separate handfuls of hay fairly easily , then it is dry enough to bale. If it just twists around and around and does not break, it is still too tough, and will need to dry more. If you have a old style 4 or 5 bar rake, it will just roll the hay into a big rope , and it will not dry well then either. A rotor rake will fluff the hay up , and so raking will allow air through the windrow, and the hay will dry some more. Bruce
 
Conditions will dictate, your location weather, wet or dry field etc. Typically, here, you try and set up for nice weather, and it does happen, maybe not at the right time, but you will get it sooner or later. So you cut, and I am not sure what you are cutting it with and what kind of hay grasses or what you are actually cutting, that changes things.

Nice dry air breeze, in the upper 70's 80's you could cut one day, moderate cutting with a mower conditioner, disc mower and the next morning, ted it, orchard grass lets say, and similar, it should be dry enough for raking into windrows, which you do mid afternoon, when ever it makes sense if not let it stay spread out another day, more you do that the more it sun bleaches but that is how it goes. Next day, rake into windrows, and immediately bale, problems I have seen is moisture on the bottom of the windrows, so leave it over night, you may have to rake or turn it over to dry the bottom, ground moisture etc. We have made bales a little loose at times, but through a thrower you can only go so far with that and from field to field if cut at the same time things change.

So once you cut, then ted, at the right time, do what Bruce said, at that time if its crisp, and snaps off etc, should be ok to rake and bale.

So many variables, if you use a sickle, no crimping action, those stalks may not dry as fast, so you may leave in the swath longer, then ted or something that works, I have not cut hay with a straight up sickle in a long time, we had a side sickle on the tractor too, all orchard grass, thick, moist ground, took longer than it did with a mower conditioner, that is for sure.

I have never seen hay grasses cut then immediately wind-rowed, for dry grass hay, nor afalfa, or any for that matter, maybe hayledge or something we don't do here or I just don't know a darned thing about LOL !!! Well they do that for sileage, dairy farmers do that and chop it, so yes there is that, and its common still, my friend would hire his sileage body truck out right after planting was done.

Its nice to get the top side dry, whether you ted or not, we used to let the swath stay until it was right, then turn it with a side delivery rake one time, let that dry, so that would have to be done mid morning, then that afternoon, you still have enough time to bale before the dew becomes a problem.

Its interesting all the variables, and what people do to get it done. Leafy crops will lose leaves, and feed value if too dry and raked, tedded or otherwise handled more to dry it out, so there is that scenario, plus thick 2nd cuttings, and even first in moisture laden fields where you get good weather after lots of rain, all of that can be a pain to dry if the weather does not cooperate, then try oats cut for the grass or similar grain crops for hay, thick stalks, just loaded with moisture. Sometimes everything lines up, we just had a great window of weather, if you could not dry that hay then, no matter what you had, there was something wrong, was around the solstice, no humidity, low 80's as a high, breeze, like today, and once you figure what is ideal methods to dry what you have specifically, that usually won't change, just the weather will, every time LOL ! Humidity, temperature, and of course if you do get rain on it, usually better in the swath, seems to shed it off, only bleaches part of it if not a real soaker, then you dry and its still decent feed value, seen that enough, its great when the weather is perfect, and you can cut all of it, and have enough time to bale and put it all away, rare but has happened, we did 60 acres like that in '07, got it all in just before the rain came on July 4th.

There are moisture meters too, but we've done it by hand to see, never had one of those.
 

I can't see how it would not be dry once the dew is off tomorrow. Here in NH where the ground usually has a fair amount of moisture, everyone lays it down in windrows with a mower-conditioner then after giving about 4-5 hours for the ground to dry we ted it out. After another five hours or so of drying we tedd again and after another 5-6 we rake. (there are usually two overnights in there but not always.) We always leave it in the windrow for at least three hours because you are always going to turn up some wet bunches. I will once in a great while test for dryness by holding a leaf blade between thumb and forefinger, then dragging my thumbnail across it. If it is dry there is no change, if there is moisture the blade of grass will get darker.
 
What part of Ohio are you in? I'm in central Geauga county. I baled today what I cut Thursday evening. It was cold, windy and rained some while I was mowing. I tedded yesterday afternoon but it was really almost ready then. Raked today about noon then baled. About a perfect day. I generally cut in the evening, ted the next day, rake and bale the day after. Before I had a tedder I usually raked the day after cutting then raked a second time in the opposite direction. Ran at low throttle so the rake turned slow. I used half the rake or sometimes ran the tractor on the right of windrow so it just turned it over. That also undoes most of the roping.

A lot depends on your equipment, soil and local weather. You just have to try things and learn from the results. Sorry I got a little wordy here, email me if I can be of any help.
 
Wife and I finished baling a field I cut a WEEK AGO WEDNESDAY. Raked it twice. Between poor drying conditions and rains it just never dried. Was miserable to bale. Dusty and some mold. My eyes are still burning. Going to be ashamed to feed it.
 
(quoted from post at 17:02:13 07/05/14) What part of Ohio are you in? I'm in central Geauga county. I baled today what I cut Thursday evening. It was cold, windy and rained some while I was mowing. I tedded yesterday afternoon but it was really almost ready then. Raked today about noon then baled. About a perfect day. I generally cut in the evening, ted the next day, rake and bale the day after. Before I had a tedder I usually raked the day after cutting then raked a second time in the opposite direction. Ran at low throttle so the rake turned slow. I used half the rake or sometimes ran the tractor on the right of windrow so it just turned it over. That also undoes most of the roping.

A lot depends on your equipment, soil and local weather. You just have to try things and learn from the results. Sorry I got a little wordy here, email me if I can be of any help.
Mike I am located in Berlin Center,ohio
I use a mower conditioner it is pretty dry today we have another nice day coming sunday so will bale it sunday
afternoon.
thanks for all the replys
just trying to get some input on this,with all the rain we had this spring ,just wanted to get it done.
thnaks everyone who replied appreciate the help.
 
There's simply no formula to be had about tedd it this many times, rake in then, bale it after so many days... It's all about the hay, when it's ready to bale it's ready to bale no matter what's gone on to get it that way. That may not sound like a lot of help, but the point is to pay attention to the hay. Never tried those grab and twist methods, they probably work fine, but the real knowledge is in the head of the folks doing the twisting.

I tedd until I see the hay standing up once it's tedded - if it doesn't stand up or wilts quickly then it needs more tedding. Then when I rake (I use a rotary rake) I look at pretty much the same thing. The rotary rake will make a nice windrow that stands up nice and fluffy - but if it settles or wilts back down then the grass still has moisture in it and need more drying. If you're doing small squares, and dropping them in the field, watch them hit the ground - if they bounce you're probably making good bales of good hay, if they don't then chances are the hay isn't ready to bale yet.

Just my .02 worth, your experience, once you get it, is worth the most...
 
I'm by no means a professional, but this is what I do the
majority of the time and it works well when weather and work
cooperate. Day 1 mow it. Next am once dews off ted it. Day 3
rake it once dew is off or working on coming off to not loose
many leaves. Day 4 sometimes flip it after dew sometimes
not. Just depends how damp it is on the bottom. Bale that
afternoon. Have baled on day 3 before, but rare for me. If it's
tedded out and gets rained on, I will ted it again. That's my
messed up operation in a nut shell. Damp weather or wet
ground can stretch it out another day.
 
Not to be a smart a## but why do you feel the need
to beat the crap out of your hay. I now one day wait
a day, rake and bale on the 3rd day. Usually doubled
up.
 
maybe its different in your area ,( I farm around Lorneville area in Ontario Canada) but for me the best hay I make is the stuff you cut and bale without ever touching it with rake or tedder. As long as it is not wet when you cut with hay bine, and it does not get rained on, it should dry down in the windrow without touching it. That being said it don"t always work that way. You have to wait for a "dry window" in the weather and get er cut. Last field I did just North of Argyle, I was forced to cut right after a heavy rain, so on the night of the 2nd day after cutting I flipped it over. Next day by 2 pm it was in perfect shape. Another chunk of the same kind of hay (some alfalfa,timothy, brome) I cut and baled without touching it as it was cut dry and we had decent weather for 3 days. Last Saturday we baled 1913 small squares, today we baled about 650, plan on doing around 1000 tomorrow. It has been a pretty decent year weather wise here so far any way. Good luck with your haying. After a time or two you will do what works right for you.
 
This depends so very much on your local conditions.

I've never actually seen a Tedder in person, not used around
here.

However, we crimp the heck out of hay, and rake it back and
forth a lot in our very humid climate.

Often takes 4 days from cutting to baling.

In the SW they need to bale hay overnight, when there is
some moisture on the hay! Dumbest thing I've heard of, but we
have humid and dew around here, hay is moist and damp until
11:00am most days, it really only ever dries from noon until 6-
7pm when the dew sets in again.

So, it really depends on what you are working with.

I would be surprised to need to Tedder it three times, but who
knows.

Paul
 
As others have said, every situation is different and what works in one area may or may not work in yours.
Things to consider;
-Wet bales are a waste of time
-Excessive handling = leaf loss
-Every pass in the field burns fuel + time = money
-Do you have to get it baled tommorow because you work during the week? Or can it sit longer.

Rain on the way and you have to get it off then do what you have to do, beat up and dry still trumps wet and mouldy.

I cut 18 feet per pass it comes out of the crimper into a big 4-5 foot windrow, when all is good I can bale in 3-4 days without touching it, brome alfalfa mix 4-5000+ lbs per acre. when things are not so good I have had to beat it up 2-3 times to get it dried down.
Don't bite off more than you can chew, knock down 40-50 acres at a time and if everything that can go wrong does all is not lost.
 
We usually shoot for baling on the 3rd day as a
general rule of thumb. (I'm in Mass.)

We usually cut early, ted immediately, ted mid day
the next day, then rake mid day on the third and
bale it.

Depending on conditions we'll sometimes throw in
another tedding session or two. Really depends on
how it's drying - wind speed - humidity - and also on how thick
the hay is. If it's a really late cutting and
very thick we'll hit it a little more often.

Around here, you really don't loose all that much
to the tedder as long as the hay isn't too dry.
If you're going to over-ted, it should be done on
the front end of things, when the hay's wet -
which is why you'd be over-tedding in the first
place... if that makes sense.

If it's too dry and you ted it, you'll "knock the
goodness out of it".

Flat hay isn't going to dry unless you've got
really ideal conditions. It can form a barrier,
like mulch. So sometimes it's worth beating up
the perfectly dry top layer to get the wet green
stuff below up into the sun.

In your case, on the fourth day - I'd rake early
and let it sit in the windrow for a few hours. (if
it's not so windy that it'll kill your windrows)

Watch the hay as you rake - if you see lots of
green, or the hay doesn't feel right, you know you
still have some drying to do.

If it's not ready, don't be afraid to drop the
rake and ted it. Rake and bale later in the day.
A few hours can make a big difference.

Of course- a lot depends on how much hay you're
talking about.

But assuming the extra gas and time won't kill you
and you're not in the hay business - always err on
the side of caution.

Your goal is a dry bale, not a blue ribbon for
efficiency.

A little extra gas and time now is a lot cheaper
than an empty barn in the winter!
 
April and May were cool and wet so the hay didn't grow well. When it finally warmed up everything headed out at once. Everybody around here is behind but we're getting some good weather but yields are a little light. Got 325 off the piece I finished yesterday, last year was 400.
 
(quoted from post at 06:28:45 07/06/14) April and May were cool and wet so the hay didn't grow well. When it finally warmed up everything headed out at once. Everybody around here is behind but we're getting some good weather but yields are a little light. Got 325 off the piece I finished yesterday, last year was 400.

Mike
finished my hay yesterday :lol: was worried about the weather all day yesterday, but turned out good , everybody around here was trying to get it done.

429 bales 14.5 moisture worked hard a little sore today :oops:
happy it is over .

Thanks everyone for all the replys.
Greg
 

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