OT-Kansas Prairie chickens etc

Smalltowner · Jun 18, 2014

What is more important, prairie chickens or jobs? I have to say jobs these days. The chickens will survive. Your opinion?
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Hank ABAB · Jun 18, 2014

I say save the chickens and their habitat.
The jobs are still there.

Dave H (MI) · Jun 18, 2014

This almost crosses the line into the trolling but I'll bite. I think there is a middle ground. These companies make a lot of money and can afford to make accommodations for the benefit of the community as a whole...like when you mow along the road in front of your farm. Shows a commitment to community and pride in your investment. You don't HAVE to do it, but you do. I hate to think of all the diversity of wildlife I knew as a kid that I don't know now. Birds that don't wake me up in the morning anymore. Find a way to make a buck without paving the nation from sea to sea. I kept my woodlot and my fence rows when the neighbors cut theirs down. You can compete without turning into the enemy.

Lazy WP · Jun 18, 2014

Just guessing here, but everyone that says the chicken, is either living in town, or has made their living in town, and now reside on their little "farm" of 2 acres!!

Dave H (MI) · Jun 18, 2014

Well, you would be wrong. If you have an opinion, state it and support it with an intelligent argument and not by attacking those who went out on a limb and already did so.

CGID · Jun 18, 2014

Dave: Your ideas put you in good company with Aldo Leopold. ..."A thing is right when it tends to preserve the integrity, stability and beauty of the boitic community...The fallacy the economic determinists have tied around our collective neck...is the belief that economics determines ALL land use."
In 1878, Iowa was the first state to set a bag limit on a game animal-the prairie chicken-25/day. Outside of reintroduced birds on exclusive set asides, today Iowa can't support a single one. What do burned ditches and fence to fence agriculture say about our place in the world? I would guess that most of Iowa's corn is sold in corner store gas stations in the form of ethanol and junk food corn syrup sweeteners. Our health and land health is off to Hell in a hand basket.

Fullers Farmalls · Jun 18, 2014

Had to do a lot of research on these birds, they are endangered and there use to be plenty of them. I agree in sensible land management. I love wildlife but at the same time the gas and oil field is paying my bills. You dont have to cut down every tree to plant another 3 acres. Us small guys would probably like that and I've debated it many times. I usually let the trees stand and hunt deer from them. The Endangered Species act is a law and was implemented long before they were drilling there. The oil and gas companies must succumb to the laws. And boo hoo that guy had to wake up early... Tough. We've ruined this planet a lot, lets try and save a little something. I'm not talking about saving every tree, i know the realization that progress will always put us at a stand off with true nature lovers, but if you can make your access road, pad and ponds 2 acres smaller with no loss of production and it will help save some habitat why not do it?

DaninKansas · Jun 19, 2014

Here's an idea - why don't you buy those three acres for $4000 an acre leave the trees and you can pay to let the chickens run on it.

DaninKansas · Jun 19, 2014

Lately it seems like the jobs are a lot more scarce than the chickens.

IH2444 · Jun 19, 2014

We lament a lot about how we wish our grandchildren could grow up like we did. And yet many of us are consistently taking actions guaranteeing that they will not be able to grow up like we did.

Preserve for future generations, be good stewards of the land.

T in NE · Jun 21, 2014

Wonder if they are counting them the same way they count the sage grouse. Unload the 4-wheeler on the side of the road, drive it to the nearest site, and write down that there's none in the area when they don't see any after scaring them off with the bike.

What's missing from the environmental movement is a big dose of truth. You don't graze or bale the prairie, nature burns it. You don't thin the forests and clear out the older and sick trees, nature burns it. global warming isn't causing more and larger prairie and forest fires, an utter and complete lack of management is causing them.

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