Austin Carpenter
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Seen e85 by me for $2.59 and regular gas is $3.99. If any of u use this and live in west michigan. It is at a place called Anew its in the parking lot of zealand farm services
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Austin Carpenter
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I have yet to try it in my 12 sierra.
john in la
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With those prices you could have a 35% reduction in mpg (not likely) and still break even on cost per mile.
Russ from MN
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That's a 35% savings in fuel cost, if you only lose 10% in mileage it's a good deal, as long as your vehicle is designed for it. I may try some!
jennifer408
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then it would cost $ 10.00 a gal, but sheeple, er, i mean folks would buy it cause it's organic and they're saving the planet.
I put some in my 2010 Silverado and the service engine soon light came on 20 miles later.The onstar teck said one side of the engine was running hotter than the other and it might take 5 or 6 starts for the computer to respond.30 starts later and a couple days later the light was still on.I called my chevy dealer and the service department said they wouldn't recommend running it.I filled up with regular gas at half a tank and the light went out before I got home from the station.
CenTex Farmall
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and delivered with a horse and buggy in a wooden barrel.
Several stations in mid-Michigan showing up with additional - yellow hoses on their fuel pumps. Assume for e-something gas... Just bought a new Honda engine for my tiller. Specifically warns against high e fuels in the manual. Seeing signs saying e-85 for a dollar less than no-lead.
Galen Houk
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I am a van pool that commutes 100 miles a day. We have been doing it for 5 years. The route is identical every day. With 10% ethanol your mileage goes down close to 10%. We have tried E85 several times, several tanks in a row, and the mileage drop is more like 30%. Even at heavily subsidized lower prices it never paid. Just remember that everytime you fill up with E85 you take a little money out of the rest of our pockets.
Well seeing as I don't do organic it would make no difference.
But my problem with it is it's still being subsidized. EPA mandates that gas has to have ethanol in it is a form of a subsidy. As well that some states are subsidizing ethanol plants. I don't like subsidies. It isn't fair to the rest of the tax paying citizens. I find it funny that the EPA is talking about delaying the 15% mandate because of environmental concerns. But to folks who only care about profit above all else I understand why they endorse ethanol. It's called greed. You know, the same kind of corporate greed that's in the news all time.
Rick
Anonymous-0
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Just curious - what tax dollars do you think you are talking about?
Anonymous-0
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What subsidy are you talking about? I'd love to apply for it.
Anonymous-0
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Again - what subsidy?
The surtax exemption ethanol had died years ago. Many claim the CORN subsidy received by farmers is a an ethanol subsidy - as if making the price of corn more expensive is somehow a benefit to ethanol manufacturers. Its like making steel and rubber more expensive and saying it benefits Ford.
The surtax exemption ethanol had died years ago. Many claim the CORN subsidy received by farmers is a an ethanol subsidy - as if making the price of corn more expensive is somehow a benefit to ethanol manufacturers. Its like making steel and rubber more expensive and saying it benefits Ford.
Anonymous-0
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Your insurance agent is a thief.
Wemedeeres
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Some look at ethanol as a subsidy to the American farmer, I grew up on a farm and work in the city now. I would rather see what little of my tax dollars I spend on buying ethanol going back to the American farmer than being ------ away to some multi-billion dollar oil company that lines their own pockets. A dollar spent buy a farmer in a small town turns over 9 times in the local economy he's involved in, that sounds like pretty good economic growth and involvement to me, just my two cents.....
Brad Buchanan
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Kinda like if the government decreed that mittens had to be sold in pairs of three.
Great for the mitten manufacturers but pretty expensive and useless for the rest of us.
Great for the mitten manufacturers but pretty expensive and useless for the rest of us.
Anonymous-0
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You must be running a wood burning car to be running unsubsidized fuel. The oil co. have been given big tax breaks since oil started to be used for motor cars. Are you giving back the extra money your grain is bringing that is being used for soyoil or that the other by products of ethanol are bringing? Don't badmouth ethanol with jingle in you pockets, it just makes you a hypocrite.
I generally agree with your reasoning,
however I don't buy the 9 times argument.
If I buy $500 worth if tires from the
local guy how much of that actually stays
here? Maybe $30? After the cost of tires
and taxes most of it goes away. Same with
fuel and equipment. That being said I
would still rather buy it locally.
however I don't buy the 9 times argument.
If I buy $500 worth if tires from the
local guy how much of that actually stays
here? Maybe $30? After the cost of tires
and taxes most of it goes away. Same with
fuel and equipment. That being said I
would still rather buy it locally.
Anonymous-0
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We were in Rapid City, South Dakota a few weeks ago, and the price for E-85 was the same price as the 10% ethanol. I think everybody will say that mileage goes down with the increase of the percentage of ethanol used. That being said, when we purchased our new pickup in March we got a "flex-fuel". Don't know if we will ever use the E-85 (surely won't if it is the same price!) or mix up a batch of E-20. I read some place that E-20 is the most "bang for your buck". We have access to a blender pump close by, so will probably be giving it a try. And as for ethanol ruining engines, have an 85 Monte Carlo SS and a 95 Chevy pickup with both over 250,000 miles, and they have had E-10 at every fill that was possible, and they are both doing fine.
Anonymous-0
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I would like to know why insurance would be higher on a flex fuel vehicle? Would it be more flammable with a tank of 85% ethanol in it, making it more dangerous?
Really? From a quick internet search I find that Ethanol cost about 2.40 cents (low figure) to make for an ethanol plant (not home brewer) and gas about 1.99 (again low figure). Keep in mind that a plant has to meet OSHA and EPA regs plus pay employees wages and bennies. Low price I found for making ethanol was 1.37 for at home small scale but they listed the price of corn at 3 bucks a bushel.
Now here in MN we are paying about 50 cents in gas taxes, the stations make on an average of about 5 cents a gallon and I don't know what shipping is. So figure 2 bucks a gallon for gas, plus taxes, transportation and gas station profits and the gas companies are making close to a 80 cents a gallon. Now keep in mind that this was from a quick internet search.
Rick
Galen Houk
Member
So, lets all work together to eliminate ethanol requirements, it sounds like it can stand on it's own. We could also eliminate the subsidy oil companies get for the extra cost of blending in ethanol.
I'd say lets get rid of the requirement for ethanol in gas then see if ethanol can stand on it's own. If you are going to make the oil companies blend it because of a government mandate then the government should be paying them to do so. After all, they are being forced into it.
Rick
DaninKansas
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Actually the subsidy (no surtax) was removed two years ago.
No, being forced to buy it is a form of subsidy. Any company that can have a guarantied market because of rules or laws in a sense is getting a subsidy. That includes insurance for health and auto insurance and ethanol.
Plus if you follow the money a lot of states are still paying direct subsidies to ethanol plants and using federal money to do it with the approval of the government. The direct federal subsidies ending were more of a smokescreen than anything else.
I, myself don't think we should be spending money trying to buy friends overseas, on any subsidies and that welfare should all be lumped together instead of being hidden in different government agencies like SNAP in the USDA, heating in the Department of Energy, rent assistance in both the Department of Urban Development and Department Rural Development, Midicade in the Department of Health and so on. We just can't afford to pay all this stuff.
Rick
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