Ford 4000 1964

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davenoonan

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Hi all,
I'm new to this forum. I'm looking at buying a Ford 4000 1964 w/a loader, select-o-speed transmission. Asking price is $3000.00
Does anyone have experience with these machines or have two cents on what to look for? I'm going to be test driving the tractor very soon. 53 hp gas model, no remote hydraulics.
Thanks,
 
YT here has a ford tractor forum. You should ask there.

The Select-o-speed transmission does not have a good reputation. When it works it's good but very expensive to rebuild. Select-o-speed tractors only have a fraction of the value of a gear drive in the same year and model.

That being said 3K sounds about right on pricing.

Rick
 
You are a little off on power, that tractor on max PTO HP is 48, the later 3 cylinder 4000 with more power are only 52 horse. And you could not give me an S-O-S tractor to use. Have had or still have 6 Fords. PTO work is best for them but not constant forward reverce shifting. If you want loader work look for something else.
 
Skip the SOS and buy one with a crash box.
There are some guys that love them but it seems most of them have 30 years of experience working on/with them.
Most any fellow with average wrenching skills can rebuild a manual tranny. Not so with an SOS.
And many parts are NLA.
I suggest you keep looking.
 
primary reasons why i sold my top notch sos ford; my inabilities, others inabilities and parts availability.
 
Price sounds good if no latent defects.

You will need PS for loader work.

Verify that the transmission pulls properly in all gears when the oil is FULLY up to temperature. Check for proper operation of the PS when the oil is fully up to temperature as well.

Look for front axle and/or bolster wear on any tractor with a FEL.

Note: The S-O-S transmission oil filter for the pre 65 model transmissions is not available from any source and nearly all need changed because it is out of sight and out of mind beneath the transmission top cover.

FWIW, many/most parts for the Ford 5 speed transmission of similar vintage are NLS as well, and properly rebuilding most 5 speed transmissions will take as long (or longer) and cost as much or more as rebuilding most S-O-S transmissions.

Dean
 
You'll need to know the condition of it, and you will get some good information here, and the ford forum.

I grew up on a '64 4000, S-O-S, which was a former NYS thruway (highway) tractor, used for mowing, and I am sure it got a fair amount of hours, it had mid mount side sickle, and at the time it went through our ford dealership for service and the state was very good on fleet maintenance, their auctions were great places to get good used, fleet maintained equipment.

This tractor was well broken in when we got it, and I spent many years on it as a kid, from about 10 years old, it had independent pto, power steering, 1 set of remotes. We ran a 535 ford mower conditioner(290 new idea actually) 532 ford baler, M-F side delivery rake, it had the mid mount side sickle, hydraulic snow plow, double ring chains for winter, which are still in use on our 3600 ford, a ford 5' rotary cutter, even had a ford aircraft tug counterweight on a ford 11 hole drawbar which I still have, and to top if off we had 3 Lamco hay wagons, a Love Mfg disc harrow which I still have, and a 2 bottom plow, borrowed by one my fathers NYS trooper buddies from the barracks next to our farm, who never returned it, that's another story, and what a character he was, and still is, so was his brother LOL ! This tractor did everything on this farm, forgot to mention we also had a NI pto manure spreader, first one of 3 we had, 2 of which we still have, we sold New Idea back then as well.

This tractor was so easy to learn how to drive, operate and had a gear for every task, it did all our hay just fine and was no trouble with the thick stand of alfalfa we had, cleared snow in the winter and I sure did a lot of mowing with it, and I ran the 532 baler when I was real young because I was not big enough to sling the bales after we removed the thrower.

My father used to lease another place we had to a friend to run shows and he borrowed this tractor and in good faith changed the trans fluid to service it, but used the wrong fluid or something and I was the last to run it when it quit, and it was the last tractor I had for a very long time, boy did that hurt, I can attribute this event for the overgrown, and now wooded fields we now have here because of that. He gave it to a dear friend that was very mechanically inclined, ran an excavation business, and he died of an aortic aneurysm in his 50's, way too young, and I narrowly missed getting it back, I think it was scrapped or parted, my 850 ford can't hold a candle to that tractor given what it did here for all those years, it was just set up right, independent pto was awesome in thick birdox like we used to have in areas, for baling and the tractor never gave any trouble, that transmission performed flawlessly for all the years I ran it and it was serviced, but minimally, till that mistake was made, lot of memories, wish I still had it given the resources still out there.

Sure its obsolete, and what the others said is true, but I know from ownership and running it all those hours, it was a great tractor, I'd own another if it was in mechanically sound condition. YOu need to have the correct books on the trans and know the service aspect of it and any adjustments, I don't know much about that end of it, but know if maintained they finally proved out to be a good powershift design that was tarnished by an initial too early release in the late 50's, it needed more time in the proving grounds, and I believe the later versions of this transmission, reflected that the corrections, upgrades were successfully implemented, still a lot of them out there today.
 
(quoted from post at 14:36:54 05/09/14) You'll need to know the condition of it, and you will get some good information here, and the ford forum.

I grew up on a '64 4000, S-O-S, which was a former NYS thruway (highway) tractor, used for mowing, and I am sure it got a fair amount of hours, it had mid mount side sickle, and at the time it went through our ford dealership for service and the state was very good on fleet maintenance, their auctions were great places to get good used, fleet maintained equipment.

This tractor was well broken in when we got it, and I spent many years on it as a kid, from about 10 years old, it had independent pto, power steering, 1 set of remotes. We ran a 535 ford mower conditioner(290 new idea actually) 532 ford baler, M-F side delivery rake, it had the mid mount side sickle, hydraulic snow plow, double ring chains for winter, which are still in use on our 3600 ford, a ford 5' rotary cutter, even had a ford aircraft tug counterweight on a ford 11 hole drawbar which I still have, and to top if off we had 3 Lamco hay wagons, a Love Mfg disc harrow which I still have, and a 2 bottom plow, borrowed by one my fathers NYS trooper buddies from the barracks next to our farm, who never returned it, that's another story, and what a character he was, and still is, so was his brother LOL ! This tractor did everything on this farm, forgot to mention we also had a NI pto manure spreader, first one of 3 we had, 2 of which we still have, we sold New Idea back then as well.

This tractor was so easy to learn how to drive, operate and had a gear for every task, it did all our hay just fine and was no trouble with the thick stand of alfalfa we had, cleared snow in the winter and I sure did a lot of mowing with it, and I ran the 532 baler when I was real young because I was not big enough to sling the bales after we removed the thrower.

My father used to lease another place we had to a friend to run shows and he borrowed this tractor and in good faith changed the trans fluid to service it, but used the wrong fluid or something and I was the last to run it when it quit, and it was the last tractor I had for a very long time, boy did that hurt, I can attribute this event for the overgrown, and now wooded fields we now have here because of that. He gave it to a dear friend that was very mechanically inclined, ran an excavation business, and he died of an aortic aneurysm in his 50's, way too young, and I narrowly missed getting it back, I think it was scrapped or parted, my 850 ford can't hold a candle to that tractor given what it did here for all those years, it was just set up right, independent pto was awesome in thick birdox like we used to have in areas, for baling and the tractor never gave any trouble, that transmission performed flawlessly for all the years I ran it and it was serviced, but minimally, till that mistake was made, lot of memories, wish I still had it given the resources still out there.

Sure its obsolete, and what the others said is true, but I know from ownership and running it all those hours, it was a great tractor, I'd own another if it was in mechanically sound condition. YOu need to have the correct books on the trans and know the service aspect of it and any adjustments, I don't know much about that end of it, but know if maintained they finally proved out to be a good powershift design that was tarnished by an initial too early release in the late 50's, it needed more time in the proving grounds, and I believe the later versions of this transmission, reflected that the corrections, upgrades were successfully implemented, still a lot of them out there today.
Thank you everyone for all the thoughtful and technical responses. I sincerely appreciate it.
 

Dave, another important thing about the SOS, is weather it is the original problematic one, or the second generation virtually bullet proof one. The 1964 is most likely second generation. They can be told apart at a glance from twenty feet away if you are familiar with the differences. The main thing though is that the early ones will free wheel in certain gears while the later ones do not. Many people do not know or will nor acknowledge the difference.
 
Did you ever have a loader on it, you did not mention one. What you were doing is what that S-O-S was designed for but what you say you were doing with it was no constantly reversing forward to reverce and back again without moving a foot in either direction. That is not what they were designed for.
 
I'd say that would be obvious with a 4000 S-O-S, we know the typical front end on these were.... OK for a loader, given the dry assembly of a pivot pin and axle support, this front end does not compare to the light industrial front axle like on a light industrial 2000, 3400 and or other industrial models for loader work given the accelerated wear from the additional weight, you'll still get a ton of hours out of them even if worn. As far as the transmission goes, think about the work a highway mowing tractor does, for years before its sold as surplus, auctioned etc. The tractor by design was not really suited for a loader or a backhoe, but plenty of them were fitted on S-0-S tractors, and you still see those in various condition out there, given the reputation and rumors about these, all of those should have been scrap a long time ago, funny that many are still around today, how many years later?

If the tractor is used as a dedicated loader, 8 hours a day, say like construction equipment, or similar applications, its hard to say how much wear is accelerated on the trans also figure in operator habits, that plays a huge role as does regular maintenance. The 4 and 5 speed and even the 8x2, 6x2 trans in later thousand series were also not the most productive or best suited trans for a dedicated loader tractor, unless there was a reverser, shuttle trans like the industrial models had. So in general, for farm use and say weekend land maintenance or limited use, all of these are just fine, but if you plan on needing it working 8hrs a day, 5 day a week work, loading trucks, or heavy loader work, you simply are looking at the wrong machine. We sold a fair amount of S-O-S tractors as I recall, thousand series, to a variety of end users and I don't ever recall any serious problems with any of them, we did have talented mechanics in our shop with current training on these to be ready. Work the heck out of these, don't follow the maintenance schedule and or address immediate problems, then yes, best to avoid owning one of these loader or no loader. I do recall seeing 6000 commanders in for work, trans and other problems, but not later general purpose tractors.

A lot of people are so sour on these, and there are some valid reasons, but many will repeat what they hear and have never owned, serviced or had any experience with them, and though I am no S-0-S expert by any means, I spent a lot of time on one, in addition to our ford dealership, the largest in this vicinity for 30-40 years, we sold enough of them to know they were no where near as bad as many state they are, fact not fiction here.
 

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