Wonder what Ford models are going to be?

Dick2

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Saw an interview with the new Ford CEO on a business report show. The new CEO said that Ford will have 16 new "Products" in North America 2015. He said that their car sales went way down "because people prefer Altima's and Camry's instead of our car". Seems that the U.S. auto makers still can't understand that people would buy their products if they made them as reliable as those made by the Asian manufacturers.

Does anyone want to be an "early inovator" and buy the first year build of a new model? I did that once; decided to never do that again.

He said that Ford will introduce 24 new products in the global market in 2015.
 
I have seven Fords and they have all been very good reliable vehicles. I have one Escort that has 255000 miles on it and has never had anything done to it but routine maintenance. Still has the original clutch. I'm sorry,but I will never buy a Japanese vehicle. My dad was a combat wounded WW II veteran and I can't forget.
 
I'm betting there are parts made from SEVERAL overseas companies hidden under that FORD blue oval !!!!!!!!
 
While I can understand people having issues with Japanese car makers, I also know that quality has to play a part, 8 years ago, I would have said I would never buy a Japanese car either, after what our government pulled with the car industry and protecting the unions, I will never buy a "new" GM or Chrysler product, and I would buy a new Ford, if they could show me quality and reliability, I recently bought a used 2008 Honda CRV, on the same used lot was a 2008 Ford Escape, both had similar miles and options, the Honda had absolutely no rust on it, the Ford, the tailgate was bubbled all across it. That, and the test drive made my choice easy. The other fact is, a majority of Honda's that are sold here, are built here, which is more than I can say for GM, who builds allot of their vehicles in Mexico....
 
I honestly tried a Ford back in 2008 when I ended up buying my Honda. Compared them back to back and there was no comparison. Ford was smaller inside and noisier.
Drove a few after that on test drives as Ford will give your school money if they set up a test drive day. All the Fords seemed to have a large center console that made me feel stuffed in between it and the door. They also make alot of models but they all seem to have the same ugly looking front end on them.
 
there is, i understand hard feelings toward some places too for what was done, and one should never forget, for if you do, it can and will happen again, but today vehicles are a world project with all of them assembled with parts made in many different countries, therefore its down to your money, your choise, i dont buy any new cars as i cant fix them and sooner or later all vehicles weather new or old are going to need repaired , i have old, american made vehicles, '70's and 80's mpg's range from not so good, to downright bad, [ 6 mpg] but there reliable, well built, the only plastic is the grill and dash knobs, they almost never break down, but when they do, i can get out and fix them , parts are cheap and readily available, and there easy to understand and repair
 
My SIL was divorced and needed a car for her and her teen age daughter. We had just bought a newer Grand Marquis and offered my SIL our old one for a very low price. Both my SIL and niece turned up their noses. They wanted an import because they were more reliable. I laughed and said yeah, that Merc has 148,000 miles and the only repairs it's needed other than routine maintenance is a water pump. No skin off my nose. I sold the old Merc for twice what I offered it to my SIL for. She bought an Asian car. She would never admit how much she spent on repairs once the warranty ran out. She made payments on the repairs for over a year after she had finally traded that car.
She bought a new Ford. It now has over 300K on it and has only had routine maintenance.
It's not that the Asian companies make a better product. It's the public perception that they do.
 
Being a mechanic by trade I look at it like this. My '78 Jeep J10 is extremely easy to work on. True it gets lousy gas mileage, but that is more than offset by the cost of insurance and not having to have a car payment every month.

My '87 F150 is also easy to work on. Too it was made when Ford had a good idea and had the sense to not change it. If I remember correctly there is about a 90% parts interchangeability from about 1982 until 1992, and even further than that for certain parts. Now days it seems like every year means about 90% of the new parts are different, regardless of the brand.

We've also got a '97 Suburban and an '02 PT Cruiser. From a maintenance standpoint the PT cruiser is a nightmare to work on. Try changing the timing belt and you'll all but lose your religion. To change the spark plugs means pulling the intake manifold. To get to the starter means pulling the left front wheel, drive axel, moving an oil cooler, etc, etc. Yes it can all still be done, but at what cost in time, and labor cost if you can't do it yourself.

On the Suburban, my wife bought me a factory service manual to go with it. To that end I will say this. I can take a Chiltons, or Hayes manual and d a complete rebuild to several year model Jeeps with a boom that's maybe an inch thick. The service manual for the Suburban is nearly 4 1/2 inches thick. The section just for the heat and air system takes more pages than a manual that would allow me to completely rebuild the Jeep.

Personally I will never own a new vehicle as long as I can still buy and get parts for the older ones. Yes the fuel economy might be a little worse, but, again, that is more than offset by the maintenance costs involved when it HAS to go back to the dealership to be diagnosed and repaired.
 
(quoted from post at 07:52:48 04/30/14) ....... I would have said I would never buy a Japanese car either, after what our government pulled with the car industry and protecting the unions, I will never buy a "new" GM or Chrysler product, ....
1130Leo, I agree 100%. Having worked at GM at one time, I had never owned a foreign brand vehicle in my life (40+ yrs of buying cars) . Then external_link ignored bankruptcy law, shafted bondholders that included a lot of people who were depending upon those bonds for their retirement, kept the UAW members whole AND gave them 50% of the company! I vowed I would never buy a GM or Chrysler vehicle again. Next new car I needed, I looked at the foreign brands and bought a Nissan. VERY,VERY nice car with GREAT gas mileage. If the Detroit 3 went belly up, I wouldn't shed a tear.
 
Yep them American vehicles are sure junk. Guess that's why we had to trade the wife's Suburban with only 313,000 miles on it.

Rick
 
Pops, My step daughter has an 02 Accord with less than 80,000 miles and the air bag light is on and the power door locks don't work right and more, but they are trading on a new one this weekend. Chuck
 
I would not get too uptight about buying the first year model, now that your American cars have downsized.....you are just getting our old European models. When we got the new model Focus our old model appeared on the US market. Never mind other models. When at the Minnesota state fair a three years ago, one of the GM dealers was unveiling a new model....it was an 1985 released European car!!!!!........Sam
 
Cash for clunkers was designed to take such cars off the road to try and force people to buy new ones to keep the car companies afloat.
 
yep and it was a disaster, why should i get rid of a perfectly good truck or all 7 of them, for a plastic and computer one which will last maybe 5 years before it has major problems not related to its mechanical aspect, not me, im keeping what i have
 
That was pretty rotten when external_link saved all those jobs at GM and Chrysler,plus the jobs at suppliers to GM, Ford and Chrysler who would have went out of business also. Supplying just Ford would have caused big lay offs or closures of those suppliers.

All those people are paying taxes and supporting social security so a lot of the people on here can get a social security check. They are not collecting welfare and did not collect unemployment. They are working.

It was General Motors, Ford and Chrysler that turned out war supplies after Dec. 7th 1941 so all of us could keep English as our primary language.

And to show GM, Ford And Chrysler appreciation for what they did for us during WWII the American public supports the Japanese economy.

I would buy a car built by an American Company with maybe a flaw or something I did not like before I would buy from an Asian company.

All those American's building vehicles for the Asians on American soil would be working for GM, Ford,and Chrysler if the Asian plants were not over here and the U.S. had the same trade restrictions as those countries do on imports. Especially from the U.S.

Those folks still remember the gift from the air we gave them in August of 1945.

Yet over here December 7th 1941 is all forgotten.
 
fire the yuppis that come up with that modern bs junk ,simply BRING BACK THE CROWN VICTORIA ,,, the cops sorely need a good car that will take the abuse that a crown vic will and constantly perform ,,..big city cabbies bid them up ,, because they LAST and Last,
 
(quoted from post at 04:49:30 04/30/14) I'm betting there are parts made from SEVERAL overseas companies hidden under that FORD blue oval !!!!!!!!

Sure Mike,there is all kinds of foreign parts in the U.S built vehicles.But if they are made to Ford or GM . or Pacar specs. and Q.A. does it's job all SHOULD be good.
 
Maybe their sales wouldn't be so poor if their vehicles weren't so butt ugly! They all have that huge chrome grill with the headlights upside down. All so the fact they have closed all of their dealerships in towns with less than 200000 people. Then there is the fact that quality has always been job two at Ford.
 
Agree completely. My dad fought at Saipan and was wounded at Okinawa, and I have run Honda/Acura since 1992. I know Dad would have no problem with it, but I respect the right of others to differ. If I ever go domestic, it will be a Ford.......
 

Closed all it's dealerships in towns with less than 200000? The whole county that I live in is under 200000 and it has one each Ford,GM and Chrysler dealership along with a Volvo shop.The Ford and GM people are selling like mad.Chrysler doing well and Volvo not too bad.
 
Yep, keep telling folks it's so and sooner or later it will seep in and they start believing it. The news media and the guberment have that one down to a fine art. Open your eyes and look in the garage parking lots and service bays. You'll see more Asian vehicles in there than you can shake a stick at. The people I know that drive Honda's and Toyota's actually believe they are driving a superior vehicle because that's what they've been told. Doesn't matter their maintenance costs are more because it makes them feel better to drive a car that's supposed to be better than their neighbors.
 
Some other things to remember....
1937-1938 The Japanese Imperial army invaded China's capital city of Nanking. 300,000 murdered. Then there was 12/7/1941. Hmmmm.... it seems the Japanese have a history of being a brutal and ruthless civilization. Fast forward to the 1980s. Honda was involved in an elaborate scheme of kickbacks and bribes. The justice department of our government nearly threw them out of the country. More recently Toyota received the largest fine in history for covering up defects in their cars. Makes me want to just go right out and buy one of their cars - - NOT!!!!
 
Ford has made some bad decisions when they dumped their large cars. I have driven Ford products most of my life and in the last 25 years have driven Lincolns. Best deal on the road. 97 town car had 175000 when wife hit a guard rail on interstate at 65 MPH and the car still ran although the front end was demolished. No injuries due to size I believe. Car got 20 MPG in town and 27-28 on highway. Ford has dropped the ball as far as I am concerned.
 
I know what'cha mean. I know a guy who bought a pickup with a 6.0 diesel in it the year they came out. HUGE mistake.
 
I've owned 5 ford pickups in my lifetime. You couldn't give me another 1, new or used. If all the steel used to make those 5 had gone down with the Titanic, I would have been a lot of money ahead.
 
This reply is spot on! Very well stated. A lot of these fools don't seem to realize, that had it not been for the Big 3 automakers, they and their children and grand children would be speaking German today!
 
(quoted from post at 06:50:34 04/30/14) Some other things to remember....
1937-1938 The Japanese Imperial army invaded China's capital city of Nanking. 300,000 murdered. Then there was 12/7/1941. Hmmmm.... it seems the Japanese have a history of being a brutal and ruthless civilization. Fast forward to the 1980s. Honda was involved in an elaborate scheme of kickbacks and bribes. The justice department of our government nearly threw them out of the country. More recently Toyota received the largest fine in history for covering up defects in their cars. Makes me want to just go right out and buy one of their cars - - NOT!!!!

and what did GM do with their ignition switch fiasco?????
 

Not too many years ago, Ford shut down ALL of the small town dealers. That alone just might be why folks are no longer buying Ford cars or trucks.
 
I had a lot different makes of company cars in the 60's & 70's. Chevy's were the worst, Plymouth 2nd best and Ford's were the best after 1969.

The last two Fords that I owned were a Mercury Lynx and a Ford Tempo - the worst cars that I ever owned. Bought a new 91 Toyota pickup, plus added a '96 Grand Marquis.

At 95,000 miles the Grand Marquis started to self destruct. I figured repairs costs would run $4,000 for a $2,800 car. I traded the Grand Marquis on a new 2003 Tundra. I sold the small Toyota pickup to a used car dealer from Minnesota for a premium price. Later we bought a new 2009 Camry. Tundra has 120K miles and Camry has 40K miles.

I follow the company suggested service schedule for the Toyotas, but I do the work myself so it doesn't cost much. I've had the fewest problems with the Toyotas than with any of the other 39 vehicles that I've had over my lifetime.
 
I've spent well over 1/2 my life being a parts manager
at a smaller Ford Dealership. By far wasn't the best job in the
world but it was close to home & close to the school where
my children went.

I have seen some pretty good products over the years
& have seen some I wouldn't give a dime for. Japan & China
learned all this tech stuff from the USA. We cut out own
throats when we taught them the tooling. All the USA car
companies have parts made Over seas in country's I cannot
spell. Suppose to be to the company's specs.

Just Lately our government wrote off outstanding dedt that
GM & Mopar doesn't hafta pay back? Why? And what did GM
Do after the Government did this for them? Start 13 new
Sub assemble lines in China & closed down 13 is the USA.
That didn't sit well with me.

As for Ford & new products that is coming out, & changes
being made which seems to be daily I can't keep up with
them. I don't like all the changes, but we have some real
good products being sold & like everything sometimes it's
the dealer that makes a product better for the consumer.
As for me & my Dollar they will stay in with a USA Company.
I make the attempt to buy American where & when I can.
It's ever so true the Country is being brain washed just like
what happen in Germany years ago into thinking we must
look abroad to find quality, it's started in our schools, & it
continues today.. What I've found is many Teachers that
are teaching our children are not the sharpest pencil in the
box.
 
This is the problem, just because you say something dosent
make it true. There are a lot of people buying ford cars and
trucks.

Ford sales rose 11% last year and were the only brand to sell
over 2 million units last year. Last year was one of fords most
profitable years in thier history. They gained twice as much of
the us market share last year than thier major competitors.

"F-series sales of 763,402 -- which Ford pointed out was more
than enough to line up end-to-end from Los Angeles to New
York -- were the highest since 2006, the highest of any
nameplate in 2013, and 59 percent more than the second-
place Chevrolet Silverado."

I like fords, they didn't need a government take over and
bailout to survive and thier doing great!
 
I have to add something here, To those that think
what external_link did was right and saved the jobs of the
SUPPLIERS, think again, I know personally
THOUSANDS of people who lost their jobs due to GM
and Chrysler not paying for parts and services
rendered due to external_link's BS Bankruptcy. There are
Hundreds of companies that no longer exist due to
not being paid, and not being able to pay their
debt's. Which is why I will NEVER buy a NEW GM or
Chrysler. If I buy a truck, it will be a FORD
even though I would have preferred a GM, At least
FORD put their own thru restructuring, and they
did not destroy their suppliers either. The
current ignition issues with GM is their own
demise.
 
I believe the Big 3 were paid for their government contracts. This old fool doesn't think that something that happened 75 years ago justifies buying products backed by corrupt unions who have been working overtime to destroy our country from within.
 
A couple of things I forgot to add to my post is.....

Ford isn't perfect, they never will be.
And neither is any other car Company.

Show me a prefect product today?

Nice part of being in this Business I can show or
tell you about some customers who think they are
prefect & know all the answers to every Problem.
 
I know of 2 very small towns and one not so small
all have Ford dealers in Ohio. They are still alive
for now ! So I don't think Ford shut them down as
much as bad business practice did.
 
And they didn't shut down all small dealers like you say. The
town I live in, in the middle of nowhere with 50 kids in a
graduating class still has a great small ford dealer. The first
ford dealer in ny 20 or 30 miles away is in rural ny and is still
going so maybe your dealers had more to do with that than
ford.
 
for the 2015 model year. the new mustang and F150 and i think the super duties are a couple. I would also expect a new expedition too. The "full size Transit" will be out to replace the econoline van (big mistake in my opinion.

we supply to the "big3". FoMoCo a pita to do changes with but they are far more quality focused than Gov motors. Chrysler is more quality focused too belive it or not.

They are all too expensive to buy though.
 
I test drove a Ford Flex a while back. I didn't hit my head on the roof or my knees on the dash.

I wish the new Taurus had as much room as my 1993 SHO Taurus had!

Anyone who has always wished that they were tall should be happy that their choices of autos are much better than mine...

Who knows what the new models will be. Sometimes a new grill or decal package will be called a new model.
 
exactly. he (noblama) did the so call 'chrony" capitalizm he constantly bashes by giving the uaw all the money.

GM and Chrysler needed to go bankrupt thru the proper channels to make things right. to structure settlements with the suppliers and to break the uaw contracts.

I think Sergio Marcheone (sp?) will make a go of it with Chrysler as i think they've already paid things off. GM WILL need another bailout. (someone write that down). nothing has changed or improved. same old business as usual.

The problem with all of them (US, Jap, Korean, european) is society. We are in this information society that wants the latest and greatest and they want it now. SO the automakers are changing stuff every2-5 years. All that design, testing, tooling, ect costs a fortune. thus the cars cost a fortune. My "middle-class" wages haven't kept up with regular inflation let alone the high automotive inflation rate.
 
Never said they were without faults.....

After spending most of my life fixing things for other people - mostly cars - I have seen a lot over the years. Overall, I would NEVER pay any significant money for a GM product. Simply because they are not well built, use substandard materials, and are difficult to work on.

Ford and Chrysler use better materials, and for the most part the Fords are much easier to work on.

Most of the foreign cars are very difficult to work on. VW's trim starts falling apart as it is loaded onto the truck leaving the factory - especially the door handles and latches. Most of the Japanese stuff has had chronic head gasket trouble over the years.

They ALL have their weak points, and ALL build a lemon from time to time. I just have a problem with sending more jobs out of the country. I buy US made products whenever possible. I avoid buying from the savages that tried to kill my father.
 
I wouldn't try a brand new model in the first year of production. Product testing tends to be done by the consumers any more nowadays. And I definitely wouldn't try a new model Ford. I used to have the same sentiments as some people here about not buying from from GM or Chrysler after the bailouts. So I bought a used 2007 F-250 with the 5.4L. One year, and my tune changed big time. Didn't matter about the bailout, I just wanted a truck that wasn't going to break my pocketbook. Flipped my Ford at auction, and went back to a GM. Been much, much happier with my 2011 3500HD with 6.0L gas. And I wouldn't shy away from "import" vehicles either. Funny thing is, Toyota vehicles are just as much "American made" as the Big 3. My folks have a 2007 and a 2013 Toyota Camry, and both have been great vehicles.

Just my 3 cents CDN.
 
Ten years ago thete were six Ford dealerships within 20 miles. Now the nearest one is an hours drive away. A Ford vehicle is now a rare sight around here were they were once numerous. Mostly GM now as there are still local GM dealers. This is in SE MN.
 
I don't think all Amarican built vehicles are poorly built, but it's more of a crap shoot if you'll get a good one or not. The 88-98 Chevy trucks turned out to be a good vehicles, but a Cavalier from the same time period isn't worth owning. Toyota and Honda make consistently good vehicles. It's not to say that they're the best vehicle out there, but they're very consistent. Whether I buy a Civic, Corolla, Camry, or Tundra, I'm guaranteed to have a well built vehicle. That's certainly not to say that an Asian vehicle won't have problems though. Our '94 GMC Safari was by far the most reliable vehicle we've ever had, but our '98 Camry, while not trouble free, was also very reliable.
 
(quoted from post at 13:22:43 04/30/14) Then external_link ignored bankruptcy law, shafted bondholders that included a lot of people who were depending upon those bonds for their retirement, kept the UAW members whole AND gave them 50% of the company! I vowed I would never buy a GM or Chrysler vehicle again. Next new car I needed, I looked at the foreign brands and bought a Nissan. VERY,VERY nice car with GREAT gas mileage. If the Detroit 3 went belly up, I wouldn't shed a tear.

Me either, had a good friend whose widowed mother owned GM bonds (his dad was a UAW worker at Rockwell all his life) and she was left with virtually nothing but his pension and SS. And my buddy got nothing when she passed but some stock out of the deal that was worth no where near what the bonds were worth.

Never cared for GM vehicles and not allowed, per the wife, to ever own a Chrysler product again. Our primary driver is a "foreign" brand since 1982 when we bought an Accord. Current is a Subaru Forester (made entirely in Japan) and it has been as reliable as any other we've had (no repairs or problems after 115,00 miles, even on the same tires, Yokahama Geolanders). Wife and I both have good jobs and we have to get to work in any weather to keep them, so reliability is utmost important. So we don't buy "American" although if we did, it would be an American made Honda (Marysville, OH).
 
Yeah I live in a town of 600-700 people and there is a ford
dealer still don't know what your talking about, they could of
shut it down it wouldn't of bothered me as I dislike fords.
 
(quoted from post at 13:46:22 04/30/14) yep and it was a disaster, why should i get rid of a perfectly good truck or all 7 of them, for a plastic and computer one which will last maybe 5 years before it has major problems not related to its mechanical aspect, not me, im keeping what i have

external_link gave me $4,000 for my old Ford van, was worth at most $2,000 on the used market. Traded that and a '03 Toyota for a '10 Subaru. I figured I was just getting some of my tax money rebated.
 
I think there is some truth to both statements here. Not all Ford or Chevy dealers are found in small cities (10,000 or more people) but there are a few small cities that have either franchise. What Rusty may be thinking is that decades ago those brands were found in much smaller towns. I remember about the time I graduated high school in the early 1980's that a bunch of area domestic brand dealers went out of business or were canceled by their supplier. Where I live 1980 was the start of a decades long exodus in terms of well paying jobs so I am sure these dealers had their business suffer. It's been a while but did not Hornell lose their Chevy dealer in the last several years? There certainly has not been an increase of dealers in Western and Central New York.
 
The newer Taurus is HUGE compared to the older ones. We had several models from 1995 to 2005. My wife sat behind the wheel of a 2012 and she said it was like she was 12 again and behind the wheel of her dad's massive old 1974 Newport. If it seems smaller you may have grown a bit.
 
This dealership is in a little burg of about 75 Total
population. It's been here since 1930. If we were to
close I am sure Ford wouldn't have the desire to have
another store here. Last time it changed hands the name
remained the same. We've never ran out of work because
we'll work on a Tractor, or manure spreader here. ( NOW
this topic is tractor related)... We only sell around 200
new units per year & most of them are trucks. Ford gave
the dealers an option for a Buy Out, didn't really force
any store near here out of Business. Sometimes the Money
offer' d was enough to have the owner not put up with all
of the cost transfer that's happened in this Business. I've
averaged under a Million in total parts sales the last few
years. We not big just Honest.......
 
I think hornell's problem is they were once a thriving small city with strong industry and many small to medium dealers could do just fine. They now are a shadow of thier once great selves and with less money floating around, a large dealer and a huge chain store dealer have taken over the money that's left there. If you want a Chevy, Dansville has a great Chevy dealer just up the road. That in itself is part of the problem. Having a dealer of one brand in every other town was once possible. As the dealers get larger its no wonder some are bound to merge or get out because you can only sell so many products in a given area before the area is saturated. Tractor dealers, grocery stores and hardware stores are no different. Mega stores are great but you can't have them on every corner like you used to be able to have mom and pop stores. Small town dealers that have only relied on locals and not selling thousands of cars a year are still around. Service departments and selling a steady flow of fewer cars still keeps the doors open. My response to rusty was because he said ford pulled all small dealers and thier sales aren't doing well, and both are not true. The problem is that when people say things like that enough times, others believe it. Just like saying imports are superior vehicles. They got thier foot in the door selling cheaper cars and trucks that people could easilier afford, now look at them. I remember the Toyota and Nissan trucks from the 80's. don't tell me they were superior, but they sold. Maybe the big three should go back to thier roots and sell a decent product at a decent price again.
 
People are misguided if they think all those jobs would have been lost if the GM and Chrysler bailouts hadn't happened. Someone would have picked up the capacity to build what GM and Chrysler had been building. Ford would have picked up some of that business and the Asian companies that build cars in the US would have picked up most of the rest.
It's not like if GM and Chrysler had folded all the people that would have bought their products would have disappeared from the market.

The fiasco that was the bailout has been widely publicized so there's no sense going into that, but I can't understand the mindset that thinks the government taking something away from someone and giving it to someone else (or paying someone to take it) is an acceptable practice.

I do agree whole heartedly that the US auto makers didn't have a level playing field with the Japanese companies. Back in the early 80's the Japanese government subsidized every Japanese car that was exported to the US.
At the same time the Jap's made it very expensive for their people to buy American cars.
 
I think it is all the things you mentioned plus a couple more. I do remember as indicated before several dealers who were healthy financially but were not meeting the manufacturer's sales quotas and this included a couple of Ford dealers. One was in a town of just a few hundred people. My opinion will always take into account the change in the area in terms of the economy starting about 1980. Hornell had done well for many years after the railroads ceased to be an important part of the local economy. The city's best days were prior to 1960 when the railroads were still functional if not healthy business wise and 1972 when Hurricane Agnes wiped out a lot of track in the Southern Tier.
Just one anecdote about Dansville that shows my age. I went to an auction there a few weeks ago and was talking to a few people. The comment was made that back in the day the farmer must have chased far to get his parts for IH. I pointed out that before the Case IH merger there had been a dealer not more than 3 miles away in downtown Dansville.
 
lol i wouldnt take 4 grand for any of mine, there all commercial bodied work trucks, and theres just not much farm work i could do with a subaru
 
My 71, 74,78, 84, 86 Ford trucks ALL got better mileage than my 2000. The only truck I've ever had that got remotely near as bad mileage was my 68 Ford F250.

I'm with you. I prefer the old American iron. Cheap and easy to work on. Except for an International and an old Chevy van I never experienced all the trouble that some on this site complain about having with old cars and trucks.
 
Maybe you need to study history a bit. Start with the Willow Run B24 bomber plant. Yes, they were paid. But the Big 3 moved heaven and earth to produce the arsenal of democracy. I just love my new
Impala. Wonderful vehicle!
 
(quoted from post at 08:37:06 04/30/14) I believe the Big 3 were paid for their government contracts. This old fool doesn't think that something that happened 75 years ago justifies buying products backed by corrupt unions who have been working overtime to destroy our country from within.



Now you are just full of crap. Unions working overtime to destroy our country. Where do you come up with this stuff. TURN OFF FOX NEWS. Unions only make up 7% of the workforce and the percentage has been declining for years. I love it when people blame unions for this countries economic problems. It could not possibly have anything to do with unabated spending by our government or the unfettered "free trade" policies that have been crammed down our throat by wall street fraudsters and the crooks in Washington D.C.
 

We should trade fairly with China. They charge horrible import tariffs on imports from the USA we should do the same with Chinese imports.
 
That's funny, at 33 I don't remember and wasn't around to know where all the dealers were. Just a couple of weeks ago a few old farmers were telling me where all the old dealers used to be and the ih dealer in Dansville was one of them. I noticed that what ever color tractors are in a concentrated area, there was that color dealer in that town or the next one over. I was surprised how many were around, it seemed like there were a ton of them. It's sad that there is hardley a trace of them today and in a few years that information will be completely forgotten. The next time they do a topic per night on here they should do a night of old dealer pics and what's there now.
 
Hopefully somebody will see your comment and start an old dealer thread. I don't have any pictures to start one myself. I would not mind seeing a nice long one for a change. I think part of the problem is that quite a number did not go out on their own terms sparking bad memories. I guess I am track for the night to reminisce about old area dealers.
 
They just announced that the taxpayers got stuck with 11.2
billion, not 10.5 billion for the auto bailout.
 
Well seeing how we both are alfred alums if I remember correctly, any dealers in hornell, alfred, almond wellsville etc when you were there? What years would that be? I was there 99-01 and the only one I recall is the dealer between hornell and almond which is part of Monroe tractor now.
 
The only criticism I have about Honda is that my seat doesn't fit into their bucket seats. I'm sure that not everyone has this problem though!
 
yes and the id I ots that believe that fallacy ,, is the same mentality that caused our failed fed er al go vermt to take office
 
My biggest gripe with the new SHO is the tightness for my right knee between the steering wheel and the dash/center console. The new SHO is a very nice car and large outside, but the driver has a "cockpit" to fit into...I don't, lol.

I'm the same size as before.
 
Large cars where did they go...Thank our "leaders" in DC for that one fuel economy standards made a redesign necessary, the market for them made it unprofitable. Foreign vs domestic,? The wife my daughters and I run 4 cars A Ford F-150 (with a V-7 engine) a Honda Accord (281,000 miles), A Dodge Grand Caravan and a Ford Fusion, only one was "made in the USA", wanna guess- it starts with an "H". The F-150 leaks and ran on 7 cylinders, the dealer says "that's normal, they're all that way nothing we can do about it, I changed the injectors and got it running on all 8 cylinders and eventually got all the seals replaced around the light above the rear window to stop the leak, (Canadian autoworkers suck too). The Dodge only has about 90,000 miles on it the A/C is out (again- rear evaporator lines rust out every 3 years) and so is the warranty, it's on it's third steering box and the fenders are rusting from the inside out, but in fairness it was made by Chrysler LLC, they're not around anymore. The dealer took care of any issue without drama or fuss, makes it hard to remember what else went wrong, seems if you don't have to argue with them for 2 weeks and write Dearborn you tend to forget about things. The Fusion eats brakes, 2-3 calipers a year and the associated pads and rotors if she doesn't get it fixed soon enough. I can't complain about our Honda any more, 25 years old and 281,000 miles if anything goes wrong you shrug your shoulders and say Hmm I guess that's how long that lasts and is it worth fixing?

I currently work for a RV manufacturer, all of our Gasoline powered class A motor homes are Ford, they're the only one left. We make class B's on Mercedes and Fiat (Dodge) frames, class C's on Fords, Mercedes and Fiat, I see codes for class C Chevy frames on our build sheets but have not seen one come down the line while I've been with them. Diesel class A's are Freightliner chassis. By the way the Ford chassis are more consistent than the Freightliners.

I personally think Ford sales are down because to many of their dealers have a "sales only model" and don't care a rat's backside about servicing the vehicle for you, are afraid of Ford, or are tired of getting messed over by Ford on warranty claims. The last two new Fords (emphasis on last) both had significant issues that Ford wasn't willing to address, finding it easier to lie about it or try to pass it off as a "production variance" (Ford speak for yes there's no paint on your rocker panels, yes you're seeing primer and no we won't fix it"). To provide the EPA fuel economy ratings on vehicles they are getting smaller, if your large or tall it sucks. But our government doesn't want us driving cars anymore so do they care? We can complain about American Autoworkers but the big Asian manufacturers all have plants here as do some of the Germans (BMW & VW) and they seem to be able to make quality cars. Part of it is the UAW, they have a significant voice in how the plant is run but are not responsible to the stockholders or customers, but they only get away with what management allows. It seems with the excess of auto production capability in this country and near off shore (Mexico and Canada and NAFTA) management should of been able to effect a change in the unions attitude (we're looking to close 30% of our plants.....you want to be closed or open?)

Another factor on car sales is 1- cars last longer, people are driving them longer (average ago of our vehicles is 13 years), not inclined to trade because we finally got the "production variances" fixed on what we have. 2- The economy and the declining middle class has taken a lot of new car buyers out of the market. Even if you have been able to keep your job and earn a decent wage the economy has you worried, the government keeps upping the bar on new car requirements for fuel mileage, safety and other features (coming soon mandatory back up cameras)the stock market and the government auto and bank bail out has killed your 401-K value, you doubt if any social security will be left when you get to retirement age and you have to wonder about health care costs. People are saving rather than spending if they can and food energy and taxes keep increasing at a faster rate than your wages, something has to give and new cars are some of what people are giving up to make ends meet.
 
(quoted from post at 23:06:05 04/30/14) lol i wouldnt take 4 grand for any of mine, there all commercial bodied work trucks, and theres just not much farm work i could do with a subaru

My '05 Silverado works better for us than the van did. It was a Club Wagon and was a dog (5.0 liter V8), would hardly tow a 2,500 lb. 12 ft. stock trailer. Going up and down the New River Gorge one time was no treat. But it was nice to travel in otherwise. Had the twin gas tanks and could get in excess of 500 miles out of it on flat terrain with no trailer. Would fill up in Erie, PA and not have to buy gas in NY going across the NY State Thruway. Massachusetts got our business instead.

The Subie is strictly a people hauler and still have an old Expedition if I need a backup tow vehicle. It's just not real reliable anymore.
 

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