Ultradog MN
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Saw this on another website.
I know there a lot of diesel fans here.
Maybe some Tundra fans too.
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I know there a lot of diesel fans here.
Maybe some Tundra fans too.
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ray hofstetter
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I'm on my 5th Tundra, every survey I fill out I tell them what I think - I ask them every time "Where's the diesel? "
Anonymous-0
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Probabally not approved by EPA for use in the USA.
Pete,
Maybe Toyota estimated that the sales volume of their diesel engined pickups would be too low to recover their in-house development costs? Realistically, if Toyota had wanted to, they could have simply bought US approved diesel engines and drive trains heavy enough to back them up at anytime before before this.
Did Dodge have an exclusive license agreement that prevented Cummins from selling diesel engines to any other competing pickup manufacturers for a fixed number of years?
Maybe Toyota estimated that the sales volume of their diesel engined pickups would be too low to recover their in-house development costs? Realistically, if Toyota had wanted to, they could have simply bought US approved diesel engines and drive trains heavy enough to back them up at anytime before before this.
Did Dodge have an exclusive license agreement that prevented Cummins from selling diesel engines to any other competing pickup manufacturers for a fixed number of years?
Larry NEIL
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If I wasn't so old I may consider one myself. Had Dodge and Chrysler cars and trucks since 1964.
My 1 ton Cummins lost 2nd gear about 6 months ago, so REBUILT TRANS WAS INSTALLED. the AC quit due to a leak under the dash, and while I was in Ca. Granddaughter Sarah took the truck and gooseneck to pick up 100 sm squares. Thought the rear brakes locked up....nope! It's the rear end!
Then it wouldn't start for Her, the compressor froze up. 114 thousand miles and I am NOT happy with Dodge!
My 1 ton Cummins lost 2nd gear about 6 months ago, so REBUILT TRANS WAS INSTALLED. the AC quit due to a leak under the dash, and while I was in Ca. Granddaughter Sarah took the truck and gooseneck to pick up 100 sm squares. Thought the rear brakes locked up....nope! It's the rear end!
Then it wouldn't start for Her, the compressor froze up. 114 thousand miles and I am NOT happy with Dodge!
Anonymous-0
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Don't know about Dodge/Cummins situation. A friend was forced to trade off/dispose of a KW tractor in good shape or convert it at considerable expense to meet current EPA regs. He said the fix would only be good for limited time until regs changed again.
cumminspuller
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I don"t know this for a fact but I"m thinking that Dodge has rights to the 5.9/6.7 6 cylinder motor. Past that any other cummins motors are all options for other manufactures.
ray hofstetter
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Didn't say I wasn't happy with 'em,,,just would prefer a
diesel.
diesel.
114 thousand miles.... That thing is not even broke in yet and it sounds very broken... I can not blame you being upset. I have some friends who have a 98 ford 3/4 diesel 4x4 the body is almost gone, but the powerstroke diesel has over 350,000 miles on it and it is still going strong...
Pete, that is the entire problem with the EPA and our ignorant government, they continue to make rules that cost hundreds or thousands of dollars to comply with, then do it all over again the next year, which is why our fuel economy sucks and prices continue to climb. They have no common sense, it's one thing to mandate new rules, it's another when it is every year, they have not even had enough time to see if the rules they made the year before actually had any real impact...
Arnold Layne
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I would be upset too. I have a '90 Dodge with 300k and the body is just fine.
dodge did have the cummins deal sewed up, especially when you consider that back in the day [ i dont know if it still aplied] ford owned a chunk of cummins, it must have to do with the usa epa stuff as toyota has been making diesel pickups for the alstraila and other market for a long time [ yes i know i cant spell it right, but i dont have spell check
jimg.allentown
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No, just like any other manufacturer, Dodge buys the engines on the open market. There are MANY Freightliner and Volvo medium duty trucks around with Cummins 5.9 engines. The same engine is also used in school buses.
With such a versatile and widely used engine, I am sure that Cummins would be foolish to give ANYBODY an exclusive.
With such a versatile and widely used engine, I am sure that Cummins would be foolish to give ANYBODY an exclusive.
Blackhole49
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- White Lake MI
Our 2000 Vactor at work had a 5.9 as the the rear power unit. They were very common on that type of equipment.
DaninKansas
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Why would automakers care about light-duty diesel pickups? Come 2025, all automakers are up against the wall, a 54.5-mpg CAFE fleet mileage regulation that will have them scrambling for more miles per gallon. While there are several heavy-duty diesel pickups from Detroit, the only current light-duty model offered in half-ton pickups is the new 3.0-liter turbocharged EcoDiesel V-6. That engine, developed by Fiat-affiliate VM Motori and offered in the Ram 1500 full-size pickup, makes 240 horsepower, 420 lb-ft of torque, and is EPA-rated at 20-mpg city/28-mpg highway.
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In 10 years they have to average 54.5 and today the most expensive diesel in a light duty pickup only gets 28 highway? Wasn't that nice of the external_link administration. Maybe I should start breeding horses or invest in a factory that builds hand carts.
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In 10 years they have to average 54.5 and today the most expensive diesel in a light duty pickup only gets 28 highway? Wasn't that nice of the external_link administration. Maybe I should start breeding horses or invest in a factory that builds hand carts.
It's the FLEET average, not just pickup trucks. You take one of each model you produce, with each powertrain you produce, take the EPA estimated fuel economy, add it all together, and divide.
You might not even need every powertrain, just the most fuel-efficient one. It's all a numbers game full of loopholes.
All it takes is a couple of plug-in hybrid models to bring the average WAY up.
T in NE
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- Cambridge, Nebraska
Ford owns Cummings, with a G, a maker of cheap tools.
Not Cummins. Without a G.
This engine was developed for Dodge for the 1/2-tons, as well as a V6 version. Clear back around 2001-2002, in 94-02 bodied test mules, they were whipping the new Hemi"s in the 1/4-mile. It was ready to go in 08, for 09-model-year trucks.
I think Dodge made a big mistake not keeping this tied up.
Not Cummins. Without a G.
This engine was developed for Dodge for the 1/2-tons, as well as a V6 version. Clear back around 2001-2002, in 94-02 bodied test mules, they were whipping the new Hemi"s in the 1/4-mile. It was ready to go in 08, for 09-model-year trucks.
I think Dodge made a big mistake not keeping this tied up.
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