OT, A Some What Tractor Related Rant...

Bryce Frazier · Apr 13, 2014

You guys know about this Case Centennial Plow I am restoring for Plow Day, and for my collection. When I tore into the plow last fall, one of the wheels have very bad rust holes in ONLY the rim, I asked you guys what to do, and the general consensuses was just swap the center over to a better rim, so I found out the a blank Farmall H front rim was a PERFECT match, and bought one used, in very good condition...

I then took the original wheel, still with the rim on the center, and the new rim to a buddy of my dad's who is a machinist/welder. He had helped me before and said that it would be a piece of cake to swap the center, GREAT!! That was November 3rd...

FINALLY got it back last Tuesday, and Painted it on Wednesday. Let all of the paint set up for a few days, and this morning I mounted the tire on it, along with the other two rims/tires. I bolted all of the tires onto the plow, and then I went to get the floor jack to take the jack-stands out and set the plow on the ground, second I did, the center blows out of the rim, tire/rim go flying, plow tips over and crashes into the concrete floor, one of the handles hit me right in the head and knocked me out cold.... Not to mention very badly scratching my beautiful plow when it hit the ground, (yes, it was VERY nice looking)

Soooo, after a few kid words... :/ I righted the plow, jacked it up, unbolted just the center and put them in my dad's car for him to take tomorrow.

Sooo, after having my wheel for 6 months, and owing my dad a few "favors" he charged me $30 and did such a half a$$ job on it, that it couldn't even support the weight of the d@mn plow!!

WHY?!?!?!?!?!

Oh well, I am NOT taking it back to him!! Bryce

David G · Apr 13, 2014

Be careful.......

Nebraska Kirk · Apr 13, 2014

Dam.... I am glad you are ok and were not more seriously injured! I would be VERY tempted to take the wheel back and explain what his carelessness and incompetence caused and let him know you are NOT happy!!

Pete in MD · Apr 13, 2014

At age 15 you'll most likely have a lot more disappointments like this in your lifetime. Don't get discouraged.

Steve@Advance · Apr 13, 2014

That's why I HATE to hire out anything!

How's your hand at welding? Time to put that on your to do list?

Royse · Apr 13, 2014

You may want to enlist your dad's help on this one if they're friends.
No man worth his salt would take money for a job that doesn't fill
the original agreement with the customer. (words chosen carefully)
I would insist he re-do it and refund your money to cover the
primer, paint and time mounting/dismounting the tire again.
If he doesn't want to re-do it or at least give you a refund, write him off.
At $30, you bought him cheap and you can sell him to everyone.

37chief · Apr 13, 2014

That could have been a bad accident. glad you are ok, except for a scrape. The guy must not been much of a welder. I think I would get my money back. Stan

Animal · Apr 13, 2014

Bryce, do you have room on the center to drill and bolt it?

jlewis457 · Apr 13, 2014

It might be best to ask your dads advice first, if he is friendly with him, if he oks it. I think your dad taking it back to him and explaining to him what happened to you will go further than you taking it back to him. This is not putting you down but the man will respect you more handeling it this way more than you bringing back to him, and making him feel like a fool. I am sorry but your age will work against you if the guy has any self worth it will crush him doing a job that almost killed someone, some people respond to things in different ways anger or sorrow are the most likely ways. With your father doing it he will most likely be ashamed of himself and do the right thing and call you to check on you if you do it he may think a young kid is threatining his man hood and make things worse.
This is my oppinion
John

ss55 · Apr 13, 2014

Ditto on enlisting your dad's help.

It sounds like he may have tack welded it in position and then forgot to finish the rest of the welding.

If he ground off four long welds on the original rim, ground off three lug welds on the IH rim, aligned it, and tack welded it and planned to finish weld it for only $30 total, you certainly were not over charged. If he is willing to remount the rim and finish welding it for nothing, you should be happy. That all takes time. You won't get that much for only $30 anywhere else. That's how I would handle it. You may want his help again in the future.

Good luck.

Bob · Apr 13, 2014

There must have been some misunderstanding that the job was done/welding completed, or the guy is REALLY incompetent!

With ANY kind of a welding job something like that would NEVER happen!

Royse · Apr 13, 2014

After having it 6 months, I might have "forgot" too.
I agree the price was not bad at all, if it were done right.
Now it will cost a repaint of that rim at least.
Hopefully once dad's involved they'll work it out.

Clodbuster · Apr 14, 2014

Before any more welding, take the tire off of the rim as the air inside the tire can "super-heat" and blow up in a huge way. Taking out the valve core will not be enough to help. Stay safe and hope you aren't hurt too badly.
ker boom

oldtanker · Apr 14, 2014

Well Bryce, just be glad that lever whacked you in the head. Ain't no vital organs in that part of you body anyways :shock: :lol: :lol: , just teasing. Sorry your plow got messed up. I'd take it back and make him fix it right!

Rick

Traditional Farmer · Apr 14, 2014

Pretty much the way it can go these days and just shows that just because something was done in the USA doesn't automatically mean quality workmanship

Mike M · Apr 14, 2014

Please post some pictures of it.

Bryce Frazier · Apr 14, 2014

Oh ya, my dad is going to be the guy to talk to him about it, I have only ever met the guy once, and am rarely in town at all.

If you can imagine, rather than the center touching all the way around the rim, it has these wavy sections in it where it touches, then doesn't, then it does, etc... Sooo, it has 4 spots where the center touches the rim, and they are about 3 inches long, maybe a little more. I could see that from factory each one had three nice big spot welds, and that was it.

He did the exact same thing, lined it up and then did three spot welds in each section where it touched. I have never welded before in my life, but shouldn't you be able to see a "burn spot" of the spot weld on the other side of where he made contact with the medal, or in this case, inside the rim?

I looked, and I could only see one on the inside..

I would post a picture, but dad has already left for the day, and that means my wheel did too! Bryce

Mike Fitz · Apr 14, 2014

Bryce, sorry to hear about your problems. Use it as a learning experiance, 1 NEVER have yourself in the way when using jacks, cranes, any device that stores energy, 2 learn to inspect welds and workman ship of services others provide( that must have been very poor welding) 3 do more research, I think your rim is a common implement rim, a replacement might have been quicker and safer. Keep going you are on the right track. Mike

Bryce Frazier · Apr 14, 2014

OH, I know not to get in the way of what could potentially be dangerous, but I wasn't!

I was just standing there admiring my plow on three wheels, and it just let loose and womped me! Oh well, I am not confirming anything, BUT it just MIGHT have knocked a few smarts into me!!

Bryce

dr sportster · Apr 14, 2014

Not only should you have seen evidence of the welds on the other side of the rim there should have been a little scale from the heat. It was cold welds that only stuck to the one side. Glad your head is okay. Some accidents are not preventable no matter how much safety you practice. Circle track dirt racers often know good wheel doctors. Cheap too.

ndfarmer · Apr 14, 2014

(quoted from post at 18:59:20 04/13/14) You guys know about this Case Centennial Plow I am restoring for Plow Day, and for my collection. When I tore into the plow last fall, one of the wheels have very bad rust holes in ONLY the rim, I asked you guys what to do, and the general consensuses was just swap the center over to a better rim, so I found out the a blank Farmall H front rim was a PERFECT match, and bought one used, in very good condition...

I then took the original wheel, still with the rim on the center, and the new rim to a buddy of my dad's who is a machinist/welder. He had helped me before and said that it would be a piece of cake to swap the center, GREAT!! That was November 3rd...

FINALLY got it back last Tuesday, and Painted it on Wednesday. Let all of the paint set up for a few days, and this morning I mounted the tire on it, along with the other two rims/tires. I bolted all of the tires onto the plow, and then I went to get the floor jack to take the jack-stands out and set the plow on the ground, second I did, the center blows out of the rim, tire/rim go flying, plow tips over and crashes into the concrete floor, one of the handles hit me right in the head and knocked me out cold.... Not to mention very badly scratching my beautiful plow when it hit the ground, (yes, it was VERY nice looking)

Soooo, after a few kid words... :/ I righted the plow, jacked it up, unbolted just the center and put them in my dad's car for him to take tomorrow.

Sooo, after having my wheel for 6 months, and owing my dad a few "favors" he charged me $30 and did such a half a$$ job on it, that it couldn't even support the weight of the d@mn plow!!

WHY?!?!?!?!?!

Oh well, I am NOT taking it back to him!! Bryce

Bryce, make sure you monitor yourself for signs/symptoms of a subdural hematoma. headache, confusion, dizziness, nausea, vomiting, or excessive drowsiness. This is a collection of blood between the skull and brain. Symptoms could take days to present itself. This could happen after a head injury such as you had. Anyway hopefully you will be ok. Sounds like you have a nice plow.

hd6gtom · Apr 14, 2014

that is why my stuff goes to a professional welding shop. I've seen too much of the cobbled up buzz box repaired wheels, suspensions, and even truck frames to last me a young mans life time. Pay the price and get it done right, or pay the price of not having it done right the first time.

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