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ford plant moves from mexico back to U.S.A does this mean that ford trucks are actually more american than toyopas for all the foreign lovers i hope this means you will buy a ford now right ? just going by some of your earlier posts that toyopas are made in america lol just for the record when buying american no matter where you think it is made being an american company would be the best place start which is where you are employed correct? not asian of any sort just to clarify IF SO YOU SHOULD BE PAID IN YENS AND MOVE OVER THERE
 

I bought an '06 F-350 new in '06 after putting a lot of effort into trying to be sure that the problems had been cured. Everywhere I asked they insisted that the bugs were taken out of it. Five and a half years later I had to dump $3500 into it with only 60,000 on it. I believe that Ford knowingly misrepresented their product and caused me financial hardship. They lost my 25 year customer loyalty.
 
To me - Dodge and Chevy are "foreign"!
I won't buy anything BUT a Ford. Nothing better on
the road, and the ones I have had, have been worked
for years with no unusual problems. None of mine
have been diesels (try to avoid them).
Regular maintenence, regular oil changes, etc, and
things work out fine. Nothing is built to be 100%
trouble free, and "lemons" occur in all brands.
Nothng to get excited about, you buy what you like,
everyone else do the same.
 
My bosses 06 F350 has also been a lemon. The V10 failed at 60000 ,transfer case at 68000. Also have 04 F450 only major problem was rusted off manifold studs, now has 112000. He just purchased 2014 F250, when I disengage 4wd top of my hand hits bottom of dash! Funny how they have built trucks for close to 100 years and my 1987 f150 had better than twice the gas millage of newer trucks! Greg
 
Ford made 2 of the best engines of all time, the 300 six and the 302. The C4 and C6 were very reliable transmissions. The 3 speed with the granny gear could pull stumps. That being said Ford has been nothing but junk the last 20 years. The only trucks I would ever consider would be GM or Toyota.
 
When I was a teen - I was a Chevy guy all the way.
Had a Ford plant near my house though that is long
gone (Mahwah, New Jersey). Now -to me . .
Ford is the "last man standing" in the USA when it
comes to car makers. Ford is the only USA car
company that didn't whine and moan and beg for
money from our tax dollars like GM and Chrysler
did. I think GM ought to be forced to pay back the
money we all lost on them. We are still out 11
billion bucks from GM.
 
Guys, This is a really miner Point! Most cars and trucks are made from parts out sourced from other countries. Yes Ford has NOT taken Gov. Bail-out Money. But Americans are Working. H3LL!! Toyota's Pickup plant At San Antonio, Tx Is Built By Texans and carry a Texas Flag on the LH lower corner or rear window if You want to get Pi$$y about it.
I have personally run Ford exclusively for 20 yrs now with 12 in a row bought, Different models and styles mainly trucks but All have the Blue Oval on the Grill, I run, what stays under me and it is Ford.
The Ford 7.3 Dsl, 460 gas, 390 gas, Legondary engines here in Texas that have Reputations of toughness that are the Bench marks of for Fords new generations of motors Today.
The F-350 Crew-cab, 4X4 platform. the Bench-mark of bigger Pickups from 1987 to Present, The Mustang, need I say more! The Crown Vic. Texas Dept. of Public Safety still prefers the old Crown Vic as their Car of Choice for our Troopers!!
Heck John Deere had models that are not made in a real JD factory! .........
Later,
John A.
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My $.02
 
Not only the 11 billion to the government,but all that the stockholders lost when the government declared stock in the old GM as toilet paper. If a foreign owned company had done that to US investors,we probably would have bombed the whole country back to the stone age as revenge.
 
I don't disagree, but the Crown Vic is going away. Why in the world would Ford do away with it? It's the benchmark for law enforcement vehicles and now it's moving to the Tahoe.
 
Ford, GM, and Toyota all have things in common. They all have models assembled in the US using components that are manufactured in different countries around the world.
A typical Ford truck will have parts from Mexico, China, and India.....just like the other brands.
Unless something has changed in the last couple of years, Toyota Tundra is the most American built vehicle.
For the record, I drive Fords.
 
My boss also bought a used 03 f150 , high mileage. His daughter and boyfriend use it for lawn mowing business in town. The gas tank straps broke next to the fire station ! A small amount of gas spilled. This happened on 5 20 13. In September he got a letter from DEC stating he was being fined 37500 a day from 5 20 13 to 9 13 ! His insurance still paid 1200 even though there was a recall on fuel tank straps on 03 F150. You gotta love our system of government! They may just wake up thrown out in the street ! Greg
 
Im a ford guy but my farm truck is a dodge
cummins. Dont really care for the dodge but love
my cummins.Ford makes a good pickup but there
motors are much to be desired. I had always had
ford diesels till I got a 6.0 and it ruined me.
All it did was cost me time and money by being in
the shop all the time. So recently I had missed
my ford 250 truck so much I had considered getting
an 08-10 f250 till I started reading all the major
issues people are having with those trucks as
well. Havent heard much on the new 6.7 but Im not
spending 60K on a truck. Im seriously considering
a cummins swap into a ford to get the best of
both.
 
I had a 289 Mustang, with an awesome C4 and 9" 3:50 rear. I was all blue oval till I worked in an auto shop. The bailout argument is valid and I had to hold my nose to buy a GM. GM also screws 1/2 truck buyers with their gear ratios. I have a theory that over square V8's last longer and run smoother. That is why I went with GM. For a modest V8 GM has the best thing going. The 5.3 and 6.0 are fine engines.

I've never heard anyone say "those Ford modular V8's sure are a good motor."

I still think the best pickup truck ever made as far as reliability, longevity, ease of maintenance and overall ruggedness is the Ford 300 I6 with a 4 speed. The best working man's muscle car will always be a Ford Mustang with a 302, 5-speed and 4:11's.
 
The crown Vic has only been available in fleet sales for some
time now. I wondered myself why ford would do away with it.
Front wheel drive cars simply could not stand the abuse that
police cars typically get. I guess there's not much demand for
full size rear drive sedans anymore.
 
Guess you don't count the $Billions of dollars the states gave the foreign companies to locate here. example,Tennessee gave VW $280,000 per job to locate there. That equals no wages for the VW company for 10 years! Makes it hard to compete.

But the Tennessee senator Corker, voted against helping GM and Chrysler. Texas gave Toyota $billions. Guess that is not real money?

Federal subsidies bad, state subsidies good? Please explain that rationale. I thought this was America...one nation, indivisable.
 
My dads 87 F150 had the 6 with the 4 speed. When it was brand new he pulled 20 ft trailer with 5 round bales with no problem . They were more hay stacks than bales, we had Hesston 5400 rounder. I drove it for almost 10 years and only major problem was pump in fuel tank and firewall separation were clutch linkage exited cab. I had a lot of good times in that truck !! Greg
 
It's all over my head. All I know is,we were promised a "New Economy" with NAFTA. We smart Americans were all going to be rich investors living off dividends and royalties. None of us were supposed to have to get our dainty hands dirty making things. We were going to have time to dream and create. Let those lowly foreigners do all the grunt work. We were better than that.
 
I was a died in the wool Ford man until my last (emphasis on LAST) F
150. Seems the drunken Canadians that built the POS forgot to put all
the gaskets in the rear window so it leaked like a sieve, took it to
the dealer, their response is "They're all that way and there's
nothing we can do about it" that and the mighty V-7 it was powered
with. Seems that if you floored the gas it banged and knocked rattled
and smoked, of course the dealer says "their all that way nothing can
be done" setting at an idle folks would ask me where I got a 1/2 ton
powerstroke. Ford finally made them fix the back window, I finally
fixed the engine by changing out the injectors. The dealer keeps
calling me wanting me to trade trucks, even used my credit to sell
some low life a Windstar off their Buy-Here Pay-here lot. Finally
wrote the state of Wisconsin asking them why these thieves have a
dealer's license, retail credit license and insurance license, they
couldn't answer but they did assure me they wouldn't be bothering me
anymore (doubt it all the State employees are to busy protesting the
Governor at the state capital). Bought the wife a new Dodge mini van
a few years ago, the power train is great, if you floor the gas that
little 3.8 V-6 starts spinning making power, no rattles, no squeaks,
spark knocks, vibrations or other drama. Only thing is the rest of
the van isn't that great had problems with the HVAC (3 times) windows
quitting and other issues indicating build quality ain't that great.
My only hope is that all the unionized dirt bag workers that Ford had
to lay off have leaky roofs on their houses so they can set on a wet
couch, it's be just like the joys of Ford ownership. Next truck will
probably be a Toyota, next van a Honda. I'm tired of supporting these
drunken whiny union bums that helped get Mr Sorrento elected to the
white house so they can STEAL money from my retirement accounts
(value of stock AND bonds)so they can continue to show up for work
drunk and not do their jobs building crappy vehicles and whining that
I shouldn't buy a "Foreign" car.
 
I've had three Dodge GrandCaravans with the 3.8. Engines and drivetrains have been great. 220K miles on the 98 AWD I'm driving now as a winter-vehicle. Many many small problems. HVAC is always crapping out. Several power steering pumps. Odd-ball flexible-braided-steel brake lines by the anti-lock-brake-box broke several times, rear parking brake problems (the shoes in the rear disk systems), etc. I'm averaging 13 MPG in winter driving. Gets up to 22 MPG in the summer.
 
If tax dollars MUST be used to support business in the USA- I'd much rather see that money thrown at a well-run company. GM was poorly run. As to the claim at the time of the bail-outs about "jobs being saved" - I see it as pure nonsense. USA-Americans and Canadians (also America) buy X amount of new cars and that would not of stopped if GM was gone. It would of resulted in a better run company getting more sales and hiring more people.
 
I have had Fords GM and Dodges. I buy what seems like the best buy at the time. Liked our last Ford, wife rolled it in January, insurance wrote it off. Ford no longer offers that model , so we bought our first "zipper head" car/truck ,Nissan. Seems to work fine so far.
 
Assembly is maybe 10 to 20 percent of the value of a vehicle. I still try to identify where the majority of the parts are made.
 

Now how is that simple? How can you tell how good the deal is until you know true cost of ownership? How can you know true cost of ownership until you have sold it? You must be going by how much they give you for you trade. But that is dependent on how much they have to take off the sticker price to get the deal, and how does anyone know how much profit they have built into the base and every option? What if you offer to give them 80% of sticker and they thought that they were going to have to give you 30% off the ridiculous sticker price? Wake up and die right!
 
(quoted from post at 08:57:37 03/08/14) I had a 289 Mustang, with an awesome C4 and 9" 3:50 rear. I was all blue oval till I worked in an auto shop. The bailout argument is valid and I had to hold my nose to buy a GM. GM also screws 1/2 truck buyers with their gear ratios. I have a theory that over square V8's last longer and run smoother. That is why I went with GM. For a modest V8 GM has the best thing going. The 5.3 and 6.0 are fine engines.

I've never heard anyone say "those Ford modular V8's sure are a good motor."

I still think the best pickup truck ever made as far as reliability, longevity, ease of maintenance and overall ruggedness is the Ford 300 I6 with a 4 speed. The best working man's muscle car will always be a Ford Mustang with a 302, 5-speed and 4:11's.
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You never heard anyone say those modular V8's sure are good "motors".Ever heard of "WARDS AUTOMOTIVE"?For several years they rated that engine one of the ten best.There is plenty of them running around with 300,000 Mi.on them.
I'll agree with you re the 300 I6 though.Maybe not the best but one of the best.
As for the best working mans muscle car:all depends on which Mustang and which 302.
 
(quoted from post at 09:31:04 03/08/14) The crown Vic has only been available in fleet sales for some
time now. I wondered myself why ford would do away with it.
Front wheel drive cars simply could not stand the abuse that
police cars typically get. I guess there's not much demand for
full size rear drive sedans anymore.
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NYSP is replaceing the worn out crown vics with rear wheel drive dodge chargers and suberbans.
 
I own two 1986 F-150s, one was built in the U.S. and one was built in Canada, otherwise, they are the same. My son bought a used Taurus which was built in the U.S. for Canadian use. There is relatively little difference. Someone mentioned the "modular" engines, some were successful, and some were not, just like all the rest. The 4.6 modular Ford engine was a very trouble free engine and as you know was widely available in many different applications. As far as parts, I don't know if the same applies to the factory when a Ford is assembled, but I could walk through the parts department, when I worked at a dealership, and it looked like a geography book. Parts were "made in Mexico" "Made in France", India, Tiawan, BF Egypt, etc. etc.
 
Since when did Ford 150's and maybe other models have anything but a MAZDA TRANNY. A few years back Ford motor had a problem. They forgot to keep track of which pickups had Mazda or Ford trannies. You ha to put them on a hoist to find out.
Of course Ford has majority ownership of Mazda. In case you don't know Mazda is Japanese.
 
Ford probably moved back to the USA from Mexico because of a worker shortage. If they move back to the USA all the working age Mexicans are here to fill those jobs.
Not joking.
Dick
 
Never said I knew everything, but I'm entitled to my opinion, this is a discussion forum, I can put in my two cents like everyone else sorry if you don't like what I have to say, but its not gonna keep me from posting it.
 
(quoted from post at 11:45:26 03/08/14) Guess you don't count the $Billions of dollars the states gave the foreign companies to locate here. example,Tennessee gave VW $280,000 per job to locate there. That equals no wages for the VW company for 10 years! Makes it hard to compete.

But the Tennessee senator Corker, voted against helping GM and Chrysler. Texas gave Toyota $billions. Guess that is not real money?

Federal subsidies bad, state subsidies good? Please explain that rationale. I thought this was America...one nation, indivisable.
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Seeing as how the other thread you stirred up got poofed, maybe I will ask here: I wanted to know, why you would lie about a stastic that was so easy to verify?

You stated that the unemployment rate went up 4%, in a 6 month span from Aug 08 to Jan 09. It didnt and I wanted to know why you would make things up like that?
 
(quoted from post at 16:08:20 03/08/14)
Of course Ford has majority ownership of Mazda. In case you don't know Mazda is Japanese.
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Ford never had majority [u:45ba1dcb6d]ownership[/u:45ba1dcb6d] of Mazda, they had a controlling interest as the largest shareholder with 33.4% of Mazda stock in 1996. Ford sold most of their interest in Mazda in 2008 and now owns less than 4% of the stock.
BillL
 
(quoted from post at 18:08:20 03/08/14)
Of course Ford has majority ownership of Mazda. In case you don't know Mazda is Japanese.
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If that was true, Mazda would be American, not Japanese.... just saying....
 
(quoted from post at 00:56:36 03/08/14) ford plant moves from mexico back to U.S.A does this mean that ford trucks are actually more american than toyopas for all the foreign lovers i hope this means you will buy a ford now right ? just going by some of your earlier posts that toyopas are made in america lol just for the record when buying american no matter where you think it is made being an american company would be the best place start which is where you are employed correct? not asian of any sort just to clarify IF SO YOU SHOULD BE PAID IN YENS AND MOVE OVER THERE
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The only Ford trucks involved in this move that I know of are the F650 and F750 with production going to Avon Ohio. I doubt either of these 2 are anyone's non commercial daily driver. Also, auto profits account for about 4% to 5% of the total cost of the vehicle and that 4% to 5% goes back to Japan. Look at all the money that stays here for wages, plant maintenance, payroll and other taxes. Whether we like it or not, we live in a global economy, and we can have foreign autos manufactured here and keep the bulk of the total cost of the vehicle here or we can buy from an "American" company that produces out of the country and support jobs in other countries. Not what we would like to see, but it is reality.
 
don't think you been paying attention because everybody except the u.s.a. has benefited from global economy let's start making our own steel again and watch the unemployment rate plummet
 
(quoted from post at 17:14:35 03/09/14) don't think you been paying attention because everybody except the u.s.a. has benefited from global economy let's start making our own steel again and watch the unemployment rate plummet
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That's all fine and dandy but it ain't gonna happen. If the US could be competitive making steel, we'd still be making steel.
One reason is the cost of labor here. Another is the environmental laws we have here that other countries don't have.
 
I've never heard anyone say "those Ford modular V8's sure are a good motor."
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I'll say it. At least about the 4.6.
I've had two variations of the 4.6. Both were excellent. Very reliable, good performance and they got great mileage too.
 
never heard of a toyopa???---if you went to an American grammar school I am sure they taught the word Toyota!
 
(quoted from post at 08:56:19 03/08/14) Talk about all foreign vehicles built in USofA sounds good, but the money goes back to mother land. Pete
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Explain how that works please? Wages paid to Ameircan workers remain here as much as with any American brand. Profits are shared worldwide as with any publicly traded company. Just because it's a Ford/GM/Chrysler does not mean any of the profit stays in the US anymore than it does with Toy/Honda/Nissan/VW etc. The only way the money stays off shore is if it's a privately held company based off shore.
 
(quoted from post at 14:04:38 03/08/14)
(quoted from post at 09:31:04 03/08/14) The crown Vic has only been available in fleet sales for some
time now. I wondered myself why ford would do away with it.
Front wheel drive cars simply could not stand the abuse that
police cars typically get. I guess there's not much demand for
full size rear drive sedans anymore.
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NYSP is replaceing the worn out crown vics with rear wheel drive dodge chargers and suberbans.
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Tahoes, not Burbs. The reason is because rear wheel drive vehicles handle better and for room. The days of the average police car having a radio, light control, some flares and first aid kits smaller than a loaf of bread are long gone. My last Troop car was a Crown Vic, you could barely put another person in the passenger seat.

The Tahoes are 2wd, lowered and have a police suspension package. The 4wds you see belong to the dog handlers or MRT guys.
 
(quoted from post at 04:51:45 03/10/14)
(quoted from post at 14:04:38 03/08/14)
(quoted from post at 09:31:04 03/08/14) The crown Vic has only been available in fleet sales for some
time now. I wondered myself why ford would do away with it.
Front wheel drive cars simply could not stand the abuse that
police cars typically get. I guess there's not much demand for
full size rear drive sedans anymore.
Click to expand...

NYSP is replaceing the worn out crown vics with rear wheel drive dodge chargers and suberbans.
Click to expand...

Tahoes, not Burbs. The reason is because rear wheel drive vehicles handle better and for room. The days of the average police car having a radio, light control, some flares and first aid kits smaller than a loaf of bread are long gone. My last Troop car was a Crown Vic, you could barely put another person in the passenger seat.

The Tahoes are 2wd, lowered and have a police suspension package. The 4wds you see belong to the dog handlers or MRT guys.
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Tahoes not Burbs, right.Also right on the R/W drive handleing better than front drivers.Lot of people don't want to beleive it though.With good training drivers of FWD cars can give a RD a run for it's money.Most rally cars are FD.
 
(quoted from post at 06:46:37 03/10/14)
(quoted from post at 04:51:45 03/10/14)
(quoted from post at 14:04:38 03/08/14)
(quoted from post at 09:31:04 03/08/14) The crown Vic has only been available in fleet sales for some
time now. I wondered myself why ford would do away with it.
Front wheel drive cars simply could not stand the abuse that
police cars typically get. I guess there's not much demand for
full size rear drive sedans anymore.
Click to expand...

NYSP is replaceing the worn out crown vics with rear wheel drive dodge chargers and suberbans.
Click to expand...

Tahoes, not Burbs. The reason is because rear wheel drive vehicles handle better and for room. The days of the average police car having a radio, light control, some flares and first aid kits smaller than a loaf of bread are long gone. My last Troop car was a Crown Vic, you could barely put another person in the passenger seat.

The Tahoes are 2wd, lowered and have a police suspension package. The 4wds you see belong to the dog handlers or MRT guys.
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Tahoes not Burbs, right.Also right on the R/W drive handleing better than front drivers.Lot of people don't want to beleive it though.[b:ec99ee5c7a]With good training drivers of FWD cars can give a RD a run for it's money.[/b:ec99ee5c7a]Most rally cars are FD.
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I would agree with that, but let's face it, America is RWD country and the NYSP have spent the last 75 plus years developing a training program based on RWD cars and trucks. Training for FWD and RWD would just add another 2 weeks to the training and lot of money, and you know Prince Andrew ain't going for THAT!
 
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