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Just wondering what the rural opinion is of fracking in the United States. Guess I haven't made up my mind yet whether it is a good thing or a bad thing. Here in Illinois they are still in the process of determining the regulations but I'm sure they will be issuing more permits soon. Guess I might be more supportive if I believed it would benefit U.S. citizens but I'm thinking they will just export more gas & oil and keep our prices up rather than reducing them. I'm also concerned with the whole process and it's effect on the environment. I just don't see how you can inject huge amounts of chemically treated water a mile or so down into the ground without affecting surface water quality sooner or later. Also, there has got to be a lot of surface damage with storage ponds and other above ground appurtenances. Just wondering what you all think. Fracking might make your LP tractor cheaper to operate.....but I doubt it!
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All weath and jobs come from the ground.

Mining, farming, timber, quarry, energy.

From there we get manufacturing and service jobs, and so on.

Everything we do comes from that.

If we shut down everything that poses a hazard, we need to sit on a stump and suck on govt handout goulash.

What we need to do is balance the hazard with the rewards.

It is not ever a black and white yes to all fracking, or no to any fracking.

Some few think so, but we can't function that way.

Your map with a bunch of skull and crossbones on it is a colorful way of saying no to any sort of industry anywhere, period.

We need to sit in bags of cotton and stay safe from any danger at all! And not ever do anything!

On the other hand fracking proponents want to go full speed ahead and drill everything everywhere and who cares about aquifers or surface water....

What we need is a balance.

But so few people care about balance any more.

It is all one side or the other, no one wants the middle ground any more.

Of course we need fracking.

Of course we need some regulation of it.

Paul
 
the page your a referring to is a page that is anti-anything that will help America get back on it's feet . energy will help employ people and yes to the pipeline bringing oil . help defeat these anti-energy rich people that can afford to sit back and watch you struggle .
 
It's smart business to sell your product to the highest bidder, and that's what these energy companies are doing.

Exporting the gas and oil is not keeping the prices up. Wild, baseless speculation based on so-called "world events" such as some foreign dictator blowing his nose, are what keep the prices up.

The only way it would work is if we socialized the petroleum industry here in the USA. I thought we were against socialism here.
 
A relative of ours lives in PA and is benefiting from having the gas companies extract gas from under his property even though he has no well on his property. I have been up there and I have seen the wells. They do not detract from the scenic view anymore than a farm silo would. I think and our relative thinks that the benefits out way the negative aspects of this practice by a long shot.
 
Paul said it well below. Like so many things- it depends. There are areas where fracking has worked well. There are areas where it has caused problems.

There are compromises available that don't get much mention, like "gas" fracking, as opposed to the water/chemical fracking you mention.
 

All I'll say is there weren't near as many or severe Earthquakes in the area I live as there has been since the gas well drilling/fracing has been done.
 
I see I'm on the map,but nobody has been approached about it around here that I know of. I'd welcome it. I hear it pays pretty good. If they have a "fraccident" and I have to move away,better yet. Sounds like I'd be able to afford it. Been waiting for the straw that breaks the camels back.
 

There ya go, using that word.."IF"..

There is that lingering trail of reports of ground Water being permanently tainted by the chemicals used in Fracking.

Once that does happen, you and I are permanently locked into BUYING Processed water, from here on and it will most likely NEVER recover..

Funny, how they say we are now "Energy-Self-Sufficient" by extracting such an Unbelievable, Enormous supply from EMPTY, pumped-out Wells..!!

Big Business has control of all we hear and see, so be Very Careful about what they are Shoveling!!

Ron...
 
I am in NY and am glad that the decision has been held up this long. I think we need to know more before deciding to do it everywhere. The gas and oil aren't going to vanish and if it takes 20 years to figure out better methods they will still be there waiting. It's just a money grab right now and we've got enough of those as it is.
Zach
 
I recently hopped across the border from NY where it is not allowed to Pa where it is. If you take the time to research it, you are really hard pressed to find ANY instances where RESPONSIBLE fracking has harmed the environment, and it has been happening for years in certain areas. But, if you just go with what ya hear from tree huggers and Hollywood it dooms the earth.
Financialy it's hard to argue the benefits, but I can tell you this: the down side is NOT the environmental impact, it's the things ya don't think of logistically before hand: with the influx of transient workers, trailer parks spring up in areas where there isn't proper drainage, water, sewers...there are not enough Police, judges, jail cells and such to deal with the influx of crime. The roads are not prepared to stand up to 24/7 of trucks carring 72,000lbs of water. Most of this is happening in small rural communities so the influx of drugs and crime starts to eat at the community at basic levels, in schools etc.
But the country needs the income and the energy so I think it should happen, but I wish communities would spend some time preparing for these issues. Along with the money comes a hit also: here in my small Pa town ya can't get a motel room for less tha $150 bucks a night now when it used to be $35. Part of this is just people making more money (which they are in business to do) but part is having to redo the rooms when the crews move on to the next area; TVs are caged to walls, alarm clocks are bolted down. Your community evolves quick! 5 years ago the kids hung out in the fire dept parking lot drinking a few beers, now we have a legit drug problem/culture here, and it is growing as we are under policed.
 
they have been doing it here in Wyoming for that last 75 years or so never have heard of one single issue with it here anyway I am for it myself, I can see in some areas with a more fragile unground area things need to be considered before it though
cnt
 
(quoted from post at 09:15:12 03/04/14) Just wondering what the rural opinion is of fracking in the United States. Guess I haven't made up my mind yet whether it is a good thing or a bad thing. Here in Illinois they are still in the process of determining the regulations but I'm sure they will be issuing more permits soon. Guess I might be more supportive if I believed it would benefit U.S. citizens but I'm thinking they will just export more gas & oil and keep our prices up rather than reducing them. I'm also concerned with the whole process and it's effect on the environment. I just don't see how you can inject huge amounts of chemically treated water a mile or so down into the ground without affecting surface water quality sooner or later. Also, there has got to be a lot of surface damage with storage ponds and other above ground appurtenances. Just wondering what you all think. Fracking might make your LP tractor cheaper to operate.....but I doubt it!
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It is all about money. To hear the ads on TV and Radio, it is the best thing that ever happened to us. Prices won't go down
on anything. The rich will simply get richer from it.
 
Good answer Paul. Also the time the State Governments take to authorize it is mostly spent seeing how much they will get out of the deal!
Especially in Illinoiz where ALL the crooked politicians are bred!
 
I know seveal people over in Jefferson Cnty. Ohio and the drilling/fracking activity there has been a god-send for the people. For the first time since the EPA/liberals have effectively shut down the coal mines they have the hope for some jobs now in the oil fields and support activities. Several in their families have jobs with the drilling companies. One company has built a gas processing plant I heard. In just one year from the last time I vistited there the increase in economic activity is very noticable. So, I'd say, YES, it is a very positive thing, for them, for Ohio and the Nation. I just wish they'd bring it over our way, about all we get for now is a pipeline through the county. That alone generates a lot of dollars here.
 
(quoted from post at 18:28:58 03/04/14) It boils own to land owners vs. non land owners. In NY there are more non land owners (and they are much louder than the land owners) than land owners, so I don't think it's going to happen here.
Pete
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No offence to the good people of NY, but your politicians and the down state liberals are complete and utter morons. The state will deserve what you get. I hope at some point you can cut them loose and take advantage of the very good things NY can offer. There's a number of refugees from NY here and I've not talked to one that would go back (although I'm sure there are some). Best of luck to you and yours, I think you'll need it.
 
Ohio has one of the tightest set of regulations for oil and gas. Yes some of the gas may be exported, that would build our economy. It is a world economy resources will always go where the price is highest, that is why we can export grain. The more gas we get, it will eventually push ALL energy costs down even gasoline and electricity.

If we are or become energy self sufficient should we have a war the government could stop the exporting so we could have enough energy.

If we have a war and get our oil by tanker from Saudia Arabia what do you think would be our enemy"s first target.

Drill Baby Drill
 
Until we can make long Island it's own state our votes from the
rest of the state dosent matter. Everyone west of the Hudson
River could cast thier vote the same way and we would still
loose. We have no say about our state. Talk about taxation
without representation!
 
I am against it! My father use to tell me if you tell someone a lie it is hard to believe them the next time they tell you something, and that is what I think of this government and the oil company!
It might be a sore note for some but to harness the solar energy would be the best out come of all, what are we going to let all the other countrys get ahead of us on renewable fuels, take for instance, Germany is the number one in solar, Brazil runs there cars solely on ethanol, places in Africa produces methane, and it is piped right to there house. So I ask you are we just going to let everyone else take to lead, keep letting the government run our lives we have to pay what the oil companys want? We have the technology to make methane from manure, ethanol from corn stalks and grass, solar panels to put on the roofs, wind mills!
Ethanol has had a bad reputation in fuel consumption, but if you look up why, you will find that the gas engine does not have enough compression, it needs the compression of a diesel, that is why, if you don't believe me just Google it.
Call me a hippie if you want, but I for one distrust the government and the oil company, I say put the production of fuel in the hands of the people of the US of A!
"For a long time now, I have believed that industry & agriculture are natural partners & that they should begin to recognize & practice their partnership. Each of them is suffering from ailments which the other can cure. Agriculture needs a wider &steadier market; industrial workers need more steadier jobs. Can each be made to supply what the other needs? I think so. The link between is Chemistry. In the vicinity of Dearborn we are farming twenty thousand acres for everything from sunflowers to soy beans. We pass the crops through our laboratory to learn how they may be used in the manufacture of motor cars &, thus provide an industrial market for the farmers' products." Henry Ford
 
"I foresee the time when industry shall no longer denude the forests which require generations to mature, nor use up the mines which were ages in making, but shall draw its raw material largely from the annual produce of the fields. I am convinced that we shall be able to get out of yearly crops most of the basic materials which we now get from forest and mine." Henry Ford
http://www.thehenryford.org/research/henryFordQuotes.aspx
 
Having researched this topic very heavily, I can tell you that as long as the driller follows the rules, and the state enforces them, there is no problem with Frac'ing. There are differences in how each state regulates gas and oil drilling. Here in Michigan they have been using the process for over 50 years in formations that are much shallower than the ones they are after now and have not had any incidents causing contamination. Michigan happens to have very good regulations and oversight of the drillers, Michigan requires a cemented triple casing of the well bore to a minimum of 100 feet below the drinking water table. I have seen other states that only require the well bore casing, and that may not be required to be cemented either. I have researched all the claims by the anti groups, have not found any of their claims to be truthful. As for weather or not we should allow export of our energy, even if we export energy, the land owners will still benefit, the people involved in transport will still benefit, and for once, international commerce will result in Dollars coming back into the United States instead of leaving and never coming back. I also happen to work in the gas industry and yes, my back yard has been frac'ed, twice. No issues at all.
 
Tom, your examples also require one to look at the quality of life in those places, they do not have one, nor do they have near the population or energy requirements that we have in the United States. If we were to go backwards and become a third world country, then sure. There are no "renewables" that are up to commercial class energy production to sustain the quality of life we have here. Maybe in 20 years, 30? who knows, right now, no.
 
Google "earthquakes in Azle, Tx". Since fracking operations began in the area, Azle started having numerous earthquakes.
 
If you go to the "fracident" map and click on the top "skull" in Louisiana you'll read about how a friend of mine lost 16 cows in an incident involving fraccing chemicals. However, those chemicals were spilled at surface level around a drill site. That's five miles or so from where I live.

There are three fracced wells behind my home, about 1,500 feet from my water well. Five years now and no problems with my water.

This is still a new technology, and there will be kinks to work out. But to ignore 1,000 years worth of potential energy because the process cannot be guaranteed to be 100 percent safe is just insane. This world promises no one a safe, worry-free ride through life.
 
In the film Gasland people were lighting the kitchen tap water with a match . I personaly would like to light a cigar from my tapwater. Although I do not smoke cigars.However if my tap water fired up I would light a cigar with it.
 
Fracking has pretty much put us up here in North Dakota back on the map, they are pumping oil out of the ground to beat the band now thanks to fracking technology. There was some skepticism at first but after the state was able to catch up with additional staff they have a good handle on policing the drilling companies. Recently there was a big conference held showcasing all kinds of new technology that makes fracking and oil extraction even more environmentally friendly. Its like everything else as time goes on there is new improved technology and better more efficient was to accomplish the task. I just wish they would get a better grip on the way they handle all the excess natural gas they burn off all those wells. One could heat a lot of homes with the amount that gets burned off daily out there.
 
Those "Earthquakes" are nothing to do with the Frac'ing process, they are sometimes associated with the disposal wells though. If the State and the operators would slow down their injection rates, they would also eliminate those "Earthquakes".
 
Germany is currently reversing their subsidies to the so called renewables which are not sustainable on their own, they are also in the process of trying to bring on more natural gas fired power plants to supplement their lack of electricity. Wind and solar can not sustain on their own.
 
Let me just start by saying I've studied fracking for 4 years, I've worked in the industry for over 6 months now. I have been on safe sites and not so safe sites. When done correctly you can't go wrong. When companies take short cuts bad things happen. I am all for it. My hometown has gotten the main road paved, 9 bridges rebuilt, and actually has a few people moving into it rather then out. People are making good money here in SW PA after the coal mine shut down and everybody and their brother was barely making ends meet. I Whole heartedly agree with PeteNY76's response. The gas is in the ground and come hell or high water we are going to extract it. Do it right, make your money but pay people to get it. AND the fact that PA doesn't have an extraction tax is absurd. They need to get their heads out of their @$$ and make some money off of it but Corbett is a pathetic excuse for a governor. And my opinion might be one sided but I did learn about the harm to the environment and it wasn't the fracking, it was the contractors that weren't doing their jobs.
-Keith, recent college grad who's student loans are getting paid by the fracking industry.
 
(quoted from post at 09:28:34 03/04/14) All weath and jobs come from the ground.

Mining, farming, timber, quarry, energy.

From there we get manufacturing and service jobs, and so on.

Everything we do comes from that.

If we shut down everything that poses a hazard, we need to sit on a stump and suck on govt handout goulash.

What we need to do is balance the hazard with the rewards.

It is not ever a black and white yes to all fracking, or no to any fracking.

Some few think so, but we can't function that way.

Your map with a bunch of skull and crossbones on it is a colorful way of saying no to any sort of industry anywhere, period.

We need to sit in bags of cotton and stay safe from any danger at all! And not ever do anything!

On the other hand fracking proponents want to go full speed ahead and drill everything everywhere and who cares about aquifers or surface water....

What we need is a balance.

But so few people care about balance any more.

It is all one side or the other, no one wants the middle ground any more.

Of course we need fracking.

Of course we need some regulation of it.

Paul
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gotta agree with what you say
 
Folks are about 85% anti ethanol any more. We have certainly seen that here on this forum....

When they realize soybean oil is in diesel fuel, they will be against that as well.

Big windmills sure change a landscape in big wind farms, and the Kenedy's killed off efforts to place them off shore. My county banished them from the edge of the river valley - you know where the wind actually blows.

Small private windmills - saw one north of me, was laying over after an ice storm. 5 years later I see a new one, in 20 mph winds it was word to the pole not spinning. A second pole up, nothing on it.

About 10 miles east of me are 6 poles up, only 2 have windmills on them. The place filed bankruptcy, he took the farmers money, was driving $100,000 sports cars around in the Cities. Of the two windmills actually placed, only ever see one turning.

Govt pays 1/3 of the cost of thrm.

Seems like it is always a money game, not an actual energy game.

That's too bad.

Turning biomass into ethanol sounds good, but so far it has not really worked well. What they are trying to do now is turn a little bit of the biomass (cornstalks, switch grass) into ethanol, dry it down, and burn the stuff to cook corn ethanol. This makes it meet some of the govt mandates to keep the money flowing. I hope they work things out and biomass actually ends up working, but so far - its kind of a bust.....

Don't get me wrong, I am for these renewable deals.

Of thrm all, seems only the corn ethanol and the soybean diesel fuel is actually working out for small, but positive returns.

I sure don't see us relying on them to the point we can shut off our oil wells and coal mines.

What is sad is the fracking areas seem to be burning off most of the natural gas they cogenerate. It s a waste product they just burn to get rid of. We don't have the pipelines to be able to collect it, and it appears we are in an anti-pipeline mood from the govt these days.

Heck, I wouldn't be happy to have a pipeline in my back yard either. I understand that.

They killed off a big electric transmission line here in Minnesota a few years ago, so really can't expand the windmill farms either. No place to put the electricity, the power lines are full when the wind blows, empty when it doesn't, no way to store the stuff.

So, wat is the answer? I donno.

Alternatives seem to be hit and miss, the couple that are working everyone opposes now, the rest have filled their nitche and no where to go.

Don't see where we can just shut off the natural gas, oil, and coal and think we will be fine, we are many decades from that?

Good questions, good discussion, I don't want the skull and cross bones either, but we do need a balance, otherwise what do we do? Its easy to just be opposed to everything; but then what do we actually do? No windmills on the ocean, no ethanol or bio diesel, no more power lines, no more pipelines allowed.....

I see a lot of negatives, no one has solutions. Are we only allowed to have fuel shortages and rolling blackouts, I don't see any answers coming?

Paul
 
Long before fracking there were sections of the country that you could light tap water from a very small amount of natural gas seeping into the wells. It had nothing to do with oil or gas drilling.
 
It's not just fracking... They are also doing "waste water disposal" there. Pumping mass quanities of contaminated water into the ground.

"NO IT CAN'T GET IN YOUR WELL WATER" Yeah right, trust us...

Out of sight, out of mind, that is till the earthquakes started happening.
 
Fracking was used in the 1940's in Both Oklahoma and Texas.

Fracking was such a bad thing that all people must have died and now should be a barren waste land.
 
"In the film Gasland people were lighting the kitchen tap water with a match"

You do know that the flaming faucet has been proven unrelated to gas drilling don"t you? Total fraud.
Debunked
 
(quoted from post at 14:50:58 03/04/14) Folks are about 85% anti ethanol any more. We have certainly seen that here on this forum....

When they realize soybean oil is in diesel fuel, they will be against that as well.

Big windmills sure change a landscape in big wind farms, and the Kenedy's killed off efforts to place them off shore. My county banished them from the edge of the river valley - you know where the wind actually blows.

Small private windmills - saw one north of me, was laying over after an ice storm. 5 years later I see a new one, in 20 mph winds it was word to the pole not spinning. A second pole up, nothing on it.

About 10 miles east of me are 6 poles up, only 2 have windmills on them. The place filed bankruptcy, he took the farmers money, was driving $100,000 sports cars around in the Cities. Of the two windmills actually placed, only ever see one turning.

Govt pays 1/3 of the cost of thrm.

Seems like it is always a money game, not an actual energy game.

That's too bad.

Turning biomass into ethanol sounds good, but so far it has not really worked well. What they are trying to do now is turn a little bit of the biomass (cornstalks, switch grass) into ethanol, dry it down, and burn the stuff to cook corn ethanol. This makes it meet some of the govt mandates to keep the money flowing. I hope they work things out and biomass actually ends up working, but so far - its kind of a bust.....

Don't get me wrong, I am for these renewable deals.

Of thrm all, seems only the corn ethanol and the soybean diesel fuel is actually working out for small, but positive returns.

I sure don't see us relying on them to the point we can shut off our oil wells and coal mines.

What is sad is the fracking areas seem to be burning off most of the natural gas they cogenerate. It s a waste product they just burn to get rid of. We don't have the pipelines to be able to collect it, and it appears we are in an anti-pipeline mood from the govt these days.

Heck, I wouldn't be happy to have a pipeline in my back yard either. I understand that.

They killed off a big electric transmission line here in Minnesota a few years ago, so really can't expand the windmill farms either. No place to put the electricity, the power lines are full when the wind blows, empty when it doesn't, no way to store the stuff.

So, wat is the answer? I donno.

Alternatives seem to be hit and miss, the couple that are working everyone opposes now, the rest have filled their nitche and no where to go.

Don't see where we can just shut off the natural gas, oil, and coal and think we will be fine, we are many decades from that?

Good questions, good discussion, I don't want the skull and cross bones either, but we do need a balance, otherwise what do we do? Its easy to just be opposed to everything; but then what do we actually do? No windmills on the ocean, no ethanol or bio diesel, no more power lines, no more pipelines allowed.....

I see a lot of negatives, no one has solutions. Are we only allowed to have fuel shortages and rolling blackouts, I don't see any answers coming?

Paul
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This will be a common scene around the country in 30 years....

 
(quoted from post at 09:28:34 03/04/14) All weath and jobs come from the ground.

Mining, farming, timber, quarry, energy.

From there we get manufacturing and service jobs, and so on.

Everything we do comes from that.

If we shut down everything that poses a hazard, we need to sit on a stump and suck on govt handout goulash.

What we need to do is balance the hazard with the rewards.

It is not ever a black and white yes to all fracking, or no to any fracking.

Some few think so, but we can't function that way.

Your map with a bunch of skull and crossbones on it is a colorful way of saying no to any sort of industry anywhere, period.

We need to sit in bags of cotton and stay safe from any danger at all! And not ever do anything!

On the other hand fracking proponents want to go full speed ahead and drill everything everywhere and who cares about aquifers or surface water....

What we need is a balance.

But so few people care about balance any more.

It is all one side or the other, no one wants the middle ground any more.

Of course we need fracking.

Of course we need some regulation of it.

Paul
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Well said Paul!
 
(quoted from post at 12:12:59 03/04/14) I am against it! My father use to tell me if you tell someone a lie it is hard to believe them the next time they tell you something, and that is what I think of this government and the oil company!
It might be a sore note for some but to harness the solar energy would be the best out come of all, what are we going to let all the other countrys get ahead of us on renewable fuels, take for instance, Germany is the number one in solar, Brazil runs there cars solely on ethanol, places in Africa produces methane, and it is piped right to there house. So I ask you are we just going to let everyone else take to lead, keep letting the government run our lives we have to pay what the oil companys want? We have the technology to make methane from manure, ethanol from corn stalks and grass, solar panels to put on the roofs, wind mills!
Ethanol has had a bad reputation in fuel consumption, but if you look up why, you will find that the gas engine does not have enough compression, it needs the compression of a diesel, that is why, if you don't believe me just Google it.
Call me a hippie if you want, but I for one distrust the government and the oil company, I say put the production of fuel in the hands of the people of the US of A!
"For a long time now, I have believed that industry & agriculture are natural partners & that they should begin to recognize & practice their partnership. Each of them is suffering from ailments which the other can cure. Agriculture needs a wider &steadier market; industrial workers need more steadier jobs. Can each be made to supply what the other needs? I think so. The link between is Chemistry. In the vicinity of Dearborn we are farming twenty thousand acres for everything from sunflowers to soy beans. We pass the crops through our laboratory to learn how they may be used in the manufacture of motor cars &, thus provide an industrial market for the farmers' products." Henry Ford
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Where are the materials for the solar panels coming from Tom? China. And what environmental safeguards are taken in China? Where is the copper for the windings int he windmills coming from? South America, and what safeguards are taken there? Where are the plastics int he solar panels and windmills coming from? Crude oil, mostly from the Mid-East. And what safeguards are taken there? The point is that just because they aren't producing that stuff in your backyard doesn't mean we are getting a free ride.

Go to your methane idea. It's great on the small scale, but how do you do it on a large scale? I kind of doubt that African village is using methane to run gensets capable of powering an average US household. More likely it's cooking gas and maybe for hot water. If we went to ethanol how much more land would we need to meet our needs? How much more chemical inputs to grow the crops? Sugar cane, what they make the ethanol from in Brazil IIRC, doesn't grow everywhere and corn or switchgrass of whatever takes energy to produce. What's the trade off point?

Balance is what we need. As far as electricity, nuclear is still the most promising answer. The alternative is that we lower our standard of living. What balance point are you comfortable with? I could build a wood-gas generator and supply a lot of my needs, but in these pages you will find people who would shut me down over the smoke produced or the noise or the fact I'm not paying "my fair share" of taxes to support social programs.

This is why there's no head long rush to alternatives. Every action has a reaction someplace. It all costs someone something. No one wants to pay a penny more than he has to and that's just the way it is.
 
I talked to my BIL who happens to be a hydro geologist, and what I consider to be somewhat of a tree hugger about fracking.
He didn't seem to be concerned about ground water contamination from fracking. If he's not worried about it, I'm certainly not going to worry about it.
 
It means there is more to it than the idea didn't work, there is the big oil behind the gov steering them what way to go. History is repeating itself, look at John Rockefeller, he gave money to a woman's society to pass prohibition,(an oil company paying off the government)
 
The world doesn't worry about something until it is to late, do you wait to put gas in your truck when it dies along side the road, wait to change the tires when they start to blow out?

My question is why wait for something to happen to say, "hey this isn't good".

I have two small children and I don't want to see them sick from drinking contaminated water, even though most people say it hasn't happened yet! Are they going to catch a problem right away, NO. And with the earthquakes happening in Texas the problems are going to get worse, it is plain to see. If you have a glass with water in it and then it breaks, how much water is it going to hold? And where is that water going to go?
 
Tom, no one wants bad water. That doesn't change the fact that the current alternatives almost all involve us having to take quite a leap backward in our standard of living. Are you willing to have that for your kids?
 
Come on now, Solar and wind? It's supplemental at best. They figure that for a small city of about 100,000 people with businesses and some manufacturing that it would take 40 square miles of wind farms to power it and that's only when the wind is blowing. Same thing with Solar. We are talking about many square miles. Don't let the tree huggers lie to you, or me, you can research it right on your computer. So called renewable sources are no where near as good as they would have you believe. Right now our only reliable option is from gas and oil. Can or will that change, I'd bet there someplace down the road it will change. But right now it's just not practical. I use to think nuclear power was the way to go but after 2 major accidents I'm no longer a fan.

Rick
 
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