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Glencoe soil saver. stretched frame vs. not-stretched frame?

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John_PA

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Does anyone know how far the frame is stretched? Is the frame the same length, but just another cross bar to hold the middle row of shanks?

I was able to find 2 comparable pictures, but, with the wheels lifted at different heights, it is hard to say for sure, without actually measuring.


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I am in the market for one, but it was highly recommended that I buy a stretched frame model, as it will pull easier with my small horsepower tractor. I can find the standard ones for about $3500. The stretched frames seem to bring $6500-9000 around here. I'm sure I could "stretch" one myself. I just wonder if I need to replace the outer C channel with longer pieces, or can I just add another cross bar and move some shanks.
 
Stretch frames will allow for better trash flow in
high yielding corn. Unless the trash is really dry
the older styles will plug easily, they can still
work if you chop or disc stalks first. I have a JD
1710a that works good in untouched stalks,its a
1981.
 
John, if you look at them, the frames are similiar,
but the one is a ripper and the other is a chisel
plow. Looks to me like close to the same frame,
but one with the chisels has an additional bar to
mount the extra chisels to. Notice also that the
ripper frame doesn't have holes punched for that
extra cross bar. Other than that, the frames look
very similiar. Of course, the ripper will probably
run deeper and that may mean a different axle
configuration, also.
 
That second picture would be a plugging fool,you might make it 10 ft.in damp corn stocks if you are lucky.Some body has modified that one,because Glenco's had more clearance then that one does.
 
Top picture is a 9 shank unit,bottom picture is

a modified 13 shank unit. Transport wheels are

set wider on frame and bar added close behind to

mount front shanks, rear shanks are staggered.

Both are chisel plows. More pictures can be seen

at Randall Brothers website of these and other

chisel plows. A 9 shank could be stretched but

moving weight rearward could kill wheel bearings,

Glencoe used same bearing on 5,7,9 and 11 shank

implements.
 
actually, whoops, I posted the wrong photo. meant to post this as the stretched frame 9 shank.

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copied the wrong tab.


So the bottom picture I posted was a 13 shank.

and yeah, I unabashedly robbed these pictures from randall brothers. They have the best pictures, and I am probably heading out there sometime soon to look at them all. However, I know of a few like the one in the top picture, locally, for less than half the money. That's why I asked. See what I mean, though, with the picture I just posted. It is just one extra bar, and the back ones are staggered some.
 
John,
I have had a lot of experience with disc rippers and I would
forget the Glenco and look for a good used John Deere 714. I say
this because the Glenco will be extremely hard on your religion
unless the corn stalks are dry and not real heavy. Also the
standards will cheat on the depth setting when they are in hard
ground where the John Deere standard will stay where they are
set unless they hit a rock and then they will trip like a plow
standard. Also the rocking tandem axle wheel option is really
worth while bonus as it will take a lot of the hop out it in hard
ground or faster speeds. We have always used the twisted four
inch teeth and can never remember the John Deere plugging. It will also have a hydraulic control of the depth of the disc blades.
Hope this helps.
 
Yep- they are. I looked at the shovel and thought
it looked more like a ripper shank......
 

I do use a flail chopper on corn stalks before I plow, I figured I would be doing the same before I would chisel plow.

I have never had a chisel plow before, never used one. I have a 170 hp 2wd tractor, with no duals, and a 145 hp tractor with duals. One of my local farming buddies said that he has to pull his 7 shank glencoe at 7 mph to get full width shatter with an Allis Chalmers 7045, and it won't pull a 9 shank that fast. I think my NH 8670 will out pull his 7045, but, we have never had 2 pieces of similar tillage to go head to head. I also think 7mph might be a little on the fast side...
 

It really does, in the top picture. It's just a bad angle.


Maybe I should just get a 3 shank DMI subsoiler and a vertical tillage tool? It seems that is the way everyone is going now. That, or no till... Not sure I like no till down here. I don't see others having very good luck with it in this soil.
 
I have an old Landoll disc chisel, like one of the originals. It is built like the original framed one in your pic with the chisel about too close to the tire. But, I have chiseled over a thousand acres with that thing, through the fodder of above 200 bushel corn too. I never had any problems except for if the stalks where frosty and for the two hours while the frost was burning off. I'd like to have one with a longer frame like you, but I just wanted to tell you my story that it might not be worth the extra $3000. I also never disced my stalks and I just ran the chisel through. In the spring, my ole JD 960 field cultivator went through it just fine. My 2 cents
 

I passed on a yellow landoll in 2012 at auction. Now that they paint them blue, they have my attention! The price for a new 7 shank is $23,000. I could buy a 1970's hp hog and a $3000 chisel, plus another chisel for my tractor, and have a local retired farmer drool at running the second tractor for the same price. LOL


If I see another yellow landoll, I will take a good look. Thanks
 
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