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Janicholson
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In Mennesoota the ones that tresspass believe that because they are touching only snow that it really is eveybodies snow and thus no trespassing. A few fences and gates are just inconvienient. Jim
The sheriff told me they couldn't do much because they all wear helments and you can't tell who they are.He also said they have to witness them on your property to do anything about it.I've put up no trespassing signs,drug a tree across there path where the cut through my property and the just go over or around it.
Zachary Hoyt
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Thet thar is some fahn reasonen, methinks.
Zach
Zach
Around here they have to be registered and have 3 inch numbers visible on the sides. Maybe if you are lucky you might be able to see the numbers with some binoculars or something. They also have to belong to a snowmobile club before they can register the machine. I gave the local snowmobile club permission to cross my land, way back in the woods. I had a problem one year and told the club that they have one year to clean up their act or no more trail , they straightened everything out and no more problems. I sure wouldn't want them running all over the place. In this state MA they have Environmental Police, they will go after problem snogoes if they have have the reg. number.
different in every state I guess, Good luck.
different in every state I guess, Good luck.
DENNIS MIN
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David G.
I was an avid snowmobiler, early on my dad helped establish trails. Most of these trails were on farmland, and it took some doing to gain the trust of the landowners. We had appreciation cookouts in the summer as a way of thanks.
I abhor errant snowmobilers. They quickly destroy any trust. I do note their license numbers, and act swiftly to prevent abuse/trespass.
D.
I was an avid snowmobiler, early on my dad helped establish trails. Most of these trails were on farmland, and it took some doing to gain the trust of the landowners. We had appreciation cookouts in the summer as a way of thanks.
I abhor errant snowmobilers. They quickly destroy any trust. I do note their license numbers, and act swiftly to prevent abuse/trespass.
D.
rusty6
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- East central Sask.
It is pretty much free range for snowmobiles in this part of the world. I don't worry about it as I have not seen any damage yet, no fences cut or anything like that. I can't complain too much because 30 years ago I would have been one of the guilty ones myself.
Joe Scribner
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Lots of snow-mobilers here too. I really don't mind them for the most part. What I don't like is when they're going 100mph through the field or down the main road and they're drunk. I don't think booze should be mixed with any machine, especially one that'll go that fast. It's easy enough to get killed at the best of times and if they want to kill themselves, I guess that's up to them. It always seems though that they put others in danger for the sake of their fun. That, I don't agree with.
Snowmobilers came through my brother's yard at 2:00 a.m. Brother knew who they were, so the next morning he served notice to two of the hungover miscreants that anybody who came through his yard during the night would still be laying there snow when the sun came up in the morning!
That was the end of snowmobilers ever waking him up again.
That was the end of snowmobilers ever waking him up again.
Bob Bancroft
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- Aurora NY
Yes. There seems to be a misconception by some(I assume who don't own much property) that all this wide open land out here is public land. Hunters too. Although it doesn't seem to be the issue here it once was.
Over the years as I have cleared hedgerows, etc., I would cut a tree off, dig out the stump, flip it over, and mostly re bury it. That way I could get rid of it, and work over it too.
I was astonished one time when a neighbor told me about his horse loosing one leg about out of sight out by my woods! Without any knowledge of mine, he was riding out there and walked right along where I had buried a stump as described above. I was apt to do this in the off season. You can imagine the deep, soft mush left next to the stump. If the horse had been moving any faster than a slow walk, I doubt the outcome would have been pleasant.
There can be many reasons to post property, that the general public can't imagine.
Over the years as I have cleared hedgerows, etc., I would cut a tree off, dig out the stump, flip it over, and mostly re bury it. That way I could get rid of it, and work over it too.
I was astonished one time when a neighbor told me about his horse loosing one leg about out of sight out by my woods! Without any knowledge of mine, he was riding out there and walked right along where I had buried a stump as described above. I was apt to do this in the off season. You can imagine the deep, soft mush left next to the stump. If the horse had been moving any faster than a slow walk, I doubt the outcome would have been pleasant.
There can be many reasons to post property, that the general public can't imagine.
Phil in Pa
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If you do, you best hope it kills me dead.
I am an avid rider myself. But I can see his point of view also. We don't ride around here unless there is a lot of snow so we don't damage fields. We ride along the edges and are as courteous as possible. As for riding in yards or around houses,that's just asking for trouble. I myself would not like to be woke up. My dad has a farm and it's pretty much a sled highway on the back side. He don't mind as long as they don't tear stuff up. I have found wire or rope across tracks at head height. I take the hint. But would not be happy to see a guy decapitated. Now if I hung a wire for that sole purpose and a fella got killed,I would not be able to live with that,and if you could,my friend, you are a sorry sole.
Bob Bancroft
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- Aurora NY
Lawyer told me years ago, when I first bought property, that the burden would be on the trespasser to prove ill will, entrapment, or whatever it might be called on the part of the property owner. Whether it be a wire, hole, or whatever.
Elvin Frank
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Funny this come up today. Wanted to take my son 4wheeler riding today, the local trail is closed so guess what? No 4wheeler riding. I have some land and I have no qualms about having someone arrested for being on it. Don"t know how it is up north being from Louisiana but the way I feel is if its not yours and you don"t have permission stay off of it. Our laws now dictate that same principle, if you don"t own it or have permission it is trespassing, no posted signs necessary. As far as the ones getting mad because someone don"t want you on their property, go buy your own land and do as you will with it, respect other people though and if they don"t want you on it keep your a$$ off of it!
If you are blocking off an area where snowmobiles have run the fence needs to be visible so if using single strand wire you would want to hang ribbons to make it visible. Lawyers are just itching to sue people because a new barrier was not "visible."
I put up a full gate to a driveway a few years ago because I figured it would cheaper than hiring an attorney because somebody did not see a 3/8 cable. I have had enough problems and will do what I can not to lose assets to a jackwagon in court.
I put up a full gate to a driveway a few years ago because I figured it would cheaper than hiring an attorney because somebody did not see a 3/8 cable. I have had enough problems and will do what I can not to lose assets to a jackwagon in court.
I have noticed just that, snow = free for all, + they can get away with it easier, so, forget calling asking permission, posted land means nothing, that is quite evident by what they do. Marked trails seem to be fine, and they don't seem to bother thing, just the same I don't really want them on the land, I will try and deter them by cutting off access, if the snow gets ahead of that they sort of win, we have deep snow now, and they have total access.
What I don't like is the jerk at 3am with what sounds like an open header, laying into the throttle to fly across the bottom field, really inconsiderate and when that happens I will carefully track down there and leave something to get tangled in their track. I'm would not use booby traps that would cause injury with any of them be it atvs, or sleds, however if they cut fence and annoy me, I will do everything I can to flatten a tire or screw up a track. Seems I don't have that person coming through anymore. Its been quiet, but I would think they are due in by now, and for the most part, I ignore them because its a waste of time if they have access, be it fences down, non existent, last atv cut the chain on my gate, so in the spring I'll fix everything again.
There certainly is the mentality I will go where I please. I have nothing against these folks, they are always told politely whenever possible, all of them are just a pain in the @ss at different times, a distraction that draws attention and always makes extra work.
They have a trail system, so use it, ATV's do not and those I keep a lid on because they are a security threat, also given the power lines and the current events, I'll bet they will be finding ways to restrict, secure, or monitor those areas, same reason I don't like any of them around, if I don't know you, what your honest intentions are its best you stay out.
What I don't like is the jerk at 3am with what sounds like an open header, laying into the throttle to fly across the bottom field, really inconsiderate and when that happens I will carefully track down there and leave something to get tangled in their track. I'm would not use booby traps that would cause injury with any of them be it atvs, or sleds, however if they cut fence and annoy me, I will do everything I can to flatten a tire or screw up a track. Seems I don't have that person coming through anymore. Its been quiet, but I would think they are due in by now, and for the most part, I ignore them because its a waste of time if they have access, be it fences down, non existent, last atv cut the chain on my gate, so in the spring I'll fix everything again.
There certainly is the mentality I will go where I please. I have nothing against these folks, they are always told politely whenever possible, all of them are just a pain in the @ss at different times, a distraction that draws attention and always makes extra work.
They have a trail system, so use it, ATV's do not and those I keep a lid on because they are a security threat, also given the power lines and the current events, I'll bet they will be finding ways to restrict, secure, or monitor those areas, same reason I don't like any of them around, if I don't know you, what your honest intentions are its best you stay out.
its easy to get rid of them, just put logs in a { } with space in the middle to make a lane, them buy some plywood and get some cement chunks or gravel on there, cement blends in more, nails or glass works better but are a hazard to your tires, however, the plywood serves two purposes, one to prevent packing down the snow and making it useless, and it keeps the chunks, glass nails whatever in a certain area and when the snow melts, the nails are on the plywood for easy clean up couple of torn tracks and that will fix the problem real easy
fixerupper
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ot too far from where I live a 13 year old on a snowmobile was clotheslined and was buried three days later. What happens to the farmer who put up the rope is yet to come. Jim
Anonymous-0
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I think times have really changed. I can remember 2 or 3 decades ago most land owners would let you go fishing, hunting, 4 wheeler riding, ext. and all you had to do was just ask. alot of them would even tell ya to just go next time without bothering them about it. now at this day and age people are more apt to tell ya you cant do anything on there property. I agree that going without permission is not the thing to do. but if that same person was to ask, would you let them go. more often than not, that answere is ussually no. being a greedy land owner that dont let anybody do anything on there property isnt really a very good way to be either. seems like its getting more and more that way though.
David, they"re all over the country, and all seasons, too. A few years ago, I watched a group of horse riders come up the road that runs thru our place. All at once, two of them took of h3ll bent down the hill thru our woods, racing each other, I guess. One of them ran into my barbed wire fence and cut his horse up pretty bad, then he came up to the house and proceeded to chew me out for having a fence there. I sent him on his way pretty rudely - he was slobbery drunk - I shoulda spoke to the horse, because he had more sense. The fence was for my cattle - not a trap - and where they were racing, there wasn"t even a trail. Alcohol causes wild and foolish behavior.
Traditional Farmer
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Greedy landowner? Yea I guess just because a landowner works hard buys the place and pays taxes every year that entitles every yahoo in the country to do what they want on the place?When you start helping the landowner pay the bills then you can come use his place.
Chris Jones
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My concern is LIABILITY if someone is hurt while on your property. People used to say oh, I was stupid and got hurt. Now they say I got hurt on your property your insurance should cover this. This crap is getting worse and worse. And I'm not even talking about those looking for ways to have an accident or lawyers looking for ways to increase settlements.
I just have an urge to target shoot some whenever 4 wheelers are on my property.
Somehow they seem to think I am shooting at them.
One called the law on me and the deputy sheriff told the offender that if I had been shooting at him he would be dead.
And warned him not to trespass on my property (posted) again or he would be arrested.
The Deputy sometimes drops by to fire off a few rounds at my place
Somehow they seem to think I am shooting at them.
One called the law on me and the deputy sheriff told the offender that if I had been shooting at him he would be dead.
And warned him not to trespass on my property (posted) again or he would be arrested.
The Deputy sometimes drops by to fire off a few rounds at my place
Traditional Farmer
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- Virginia
And its a good way for people to spot things to steal,I had that happen with some guys I let hunt a few years ago one of their relatives was up in a field where I have tractors and equipment at
2 AM after a one sided conversation he left and his realtive never came back to see if he could hunt.My farm is basically in a surburban area and if I let it get started I'd be over run with people doing all sorts of things.Lots different than when it was all rural years ago then the neighbors had some common sense.Fortunately I live where tresspassing is taken seriously by the law.
2 AM after a one sided conversation he left and his realtive never came back to see if he could hunt.My farm is basically in a surburban area and if I let it get started I'd be over run with people doing all sorts of things.Lots different than when it was all rural years ago then the neighbors had some common sense.Fortunately I live where tresspassing is taken seriously by the law.
Mike in Mn.
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I shouldn't say anything but, there is a marked trail that crossed the road to the other side by my son's place next door and heads back off from the road so it doesn't really bother me, I don't even hear them. He grumbles a lot about the noise, says it's day and night. Was down there yesterday morning loading hay and now I see what he's talking about, they stop for the road and then cross and then give er along in the road ditch past his place and turn south across an open field, those things just scream when there on the throttle. Must have been a hundred machines go through while we loaded. It would drive me nuts. And every week they go through with a huge diesel Tucker Snow Cat and a trail groomer, WTH!! it's a snowmobile trail!! I live too close to the Twin Cities! I haven't had one since the 70's when all the neighbor/farmers had one and we would get together and ride across each others land and have a bon fire back in the woods, then it was fun, made winter go by a little faster. I do have a big liability policy, anybody that gets hurt on your property can and will sue you.
Same situation here, give em an inch they will take a mile. In retrospect, it took some doing to keep them out. The power lines is another conduit for them to run. Many times I've run into kids, most very respectful and a pleasure to speak to, given it could be different, had one kid who was a real jerk, was going to have his dad come over and take care of me, and another guy who questioned me being armed. None of that amounted to anything, but it does tell you to be prepared and use a defensive stance so you can't be overwhelmed at any given time when dealing with people you do not know. I'm proactive about it because our land and adjoining land is thick cover, you get the wrong kind of person involved, it would not be too hard to rob houses while people are at work, or attempt to do so. Bottom line is to stay involved and make a strong presence known, I'd like to say we have very little trouble with any of them for the most part, but a watchful eye is the contributing factor. When I worked out of town, ATVs were running rampant here, that changed as soon as I was around more.
Part Time Pete
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- Leatherstocking Region NY
Around here (central ny) the's a pretty good network of trails, and most of the snowmobile riders stick to them. The 4 wheeler's in the warmer weather are more of a problem
Massey farmer
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I'd take snowmobiles over horse back riders any day of the week. Something about hoping on a horse you don't own enough property to ride on and pretend your "country" makes you think it's ok to ride them where ever you want.
Don't get me started on this - nothing pushes my buttons faster or harder than snowmobile trasspass.
I raise oats and grass/alfalfa hay. Often their snowpack kills off the alfalfa. I can take you out in the fields in mid-summer, and show you where they went. So, I believe they are doing me damage.
What really fries me is the impunity with which they trespass. They come out of nowhere, blast across your land and they're gone. At speeds upwards to 100mph, it's almost impossible to identify them. They're wearing helmets, the machines all look about the same at a distance. Unless their suits are particularly unusual. Numbers on the machine are useless if they even have them. Law enforcement officers don't seem particularly inclined to deal with them.
Our laws allow 33 foot right of way each side of center of the road for road way right of way. I have been told by snowmobilers that they own 33 feet of my fields. Now let's look at it from my side of the field. If the county isn't using it, and I'm farming it, IT'S MINE! There are several places where I farm right up to the edge of the roadways, as do many other farmers.
Problem of trespassing has abated a bit since the county is allowing them to run on the roadways, on rural roads. But again, these guys know no common sense, flying down the roadways at extremely high speeds. Far faster than you can go with a car or truck. They're a danger to everyone on the roads, especially themselves.
There's no protection for the farmer, short of extremely strong fences, and they're no match to a wire cutter. Signs are ignored, snowbanks climbed at will, fences crossed... On and off your place at will. Do I sound upset?
I raise oats and grass/alfalfa hay. Often their snowpack kills off the alfalfa. I can take you out in the fields in mid-summer, and show you where they went. So, I believe they are doing me damage.
What really fries me is the impunity with which they trespass. They come out of nowhere, blast across your land and they're gone. At speeds upwards to 100mph, it's almost impossible to identify them. They're wearing helmets, the machines all look about the same at a distance. Unless their suits are particularly unusual. Numbers on the machine are useless if they even have them. Law enforcement officers don't seem particularly inclined to deal with them.
Our laws allow 33 foot right of way each side of center of the road for road way right of way. I have been told by snowmobilers that they own 33 feet of my fields. Now let's look at it from my side of the field. If the county isn't using it, and I'm farming it, IT'S MINE! There are several places where I farm right up to the edge of the roadways, as do many other farmers.
Problem of trespassing has abated a bit since the county is allowing them to run on the roadways, on rural roads. But again, these guys know no common sense, flying down the roadways at extremely high speeds. Far faster than you can go with a car or truck. They're a danger to everyone on the roads, especially themselves.
There's no protection for the farmer, short of extremely strong fences, and they're no match to a wire cutter. Signs are ignored, snowbanks climbed at will, fences crossed... On and off your place at will. Do I sound upset?
GeneMO
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- Pilot Grove, Mo.
YES, THINGS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS AGO. AND IT IS BECAUSE OF LAWYERS !!!!
If a trespasser stubs his toe on your property, you will be sued. And it will cost you thousands to defend yourself. And you could loose your farm because of the idiots.
Since I am the one paying the taxes on my land, and I am the one that paid to buy the land I am the only one I want using it. Go buy your own land is the way I see it. Now if you come and ask nice, no problem.
Gene
If a trespasser stubs his toe on your property, you will be sued. And it will cost you thousands to defend yourself. And you could loose your farm because of the idiots.
Since I am the one paying the taxes on my land, and I am the one that paid to buy the land I am the only one I want using it. Go buy your own land is the way I see it. Now if you come and ask nice, no problem.
Gene
Howdy, I wasn't dissing horse owners. There's lots of good ones. I don't know where this group was from, but they had drifted from US Forestry property to private property and weren't sober enough to realize it. The horse was the victim in this case (and probably other instances too).
Don't blame it on the lawyers. Blame it on the culture of entitlement and no personal responsibility.
I came home from work a few weeks ago to find snowmobile tracks in my front yard. I live in a rural subdivision and the shortest route to get from the road to the field is to cross my front lawn, a ditch which is on my property, a row of small trees I recently planted on the opposite side of the ditch, then into the field. It was warm enough that day that the snow was melting in the ditch, otherwise the snowmobiler would have crossed the ditch and taken out some of the trees I planted. I'm sure the person that owns the field would never give permission to anyone to ride in their field, so the snowmobiler was looking for a way to sneak in away from the farm house.
Several years ago a kid I knew got decapitated while driving a snowmobile in white out conditions while intoxicated. Recently a guy I knew crashed his snowmobile while driving under the influence and killed his 7 year old son that was a passenger. He's facing several criminal charges and will likely do time.
I've had someone tear up my ditch when they got their 4 wheeler stuck in about a foot of standing water. The kid was our paper boy and usually a good kid. I "requested" he not ride on my property.
Several years later a new neighbor rode his dirt bike through a few inches of water in the ditch for a couple hundred feet then cut through my front yard tearing up the grass. I went to his place and found him washing the mud from my ditch and front lawn off his bike. He was amazed that I was upset.
I don't know what the big attraction of a ditch with a little water in it is, but someone is always wanting to ride in it, or throw stuff in it. Wouldn't bother me so much if I didn't have to clean up their mess when the water is gone so I can mow it.
I have some property about 4 hours away. A power line runs diagonally across the property. The power company had someone "trim" (mulch) their right of way. Of course they didn't put my fence back up after they cut it to get onto my property. 4 wheelers and hunters routinely tear down my no trespassing signs.
I was taught to respect other people's property. As my Dad would have said the people that are trespassing need a little "school housing". I think that means a butt kickin.
I came home from work a few weeks ago to find snowmobile tracks in my front yard. I live in a rural subdivision and the shortest route to get from the road to the field is to cross my front lawn, a ditch which is on my property, a row of small trees I recently planted on the opposite side of the ditch, then into the field. It was warm enough that day that the snow was melting in the ditch, otherwise the snowmobiler would have crossed the ditch and taken out some of the trees I planted. I'm sure the person that owns the field would never give permission to anyone to ride in their field, so the snowmobiler was looking for a way to sneak in away from the farm house.
Several years ago a kid I knew got decapitated while driving a snowmobile in white out conditions while intoxicated. Recently a guy I knew crashed his snowmobile while driving under the influence and killed his 7 year old son that was a passenger. He's facing several criminal charges and will likely do time.
I've had someone tear up my ditch when they got their 4 wheeler stuck in about a foot of standing water. The kid was our paper boy and usually a good kid. I "requested" he not ride on my property.
Several years later a new neighbor rode his dirt bike through a few inches of water in the ditch for a couple hundred feet then cut through my front yard tearing up the grass. I went to his place and found him washing the mud from my ditch and front lawn off his bike. He was amazed that I was upset.
I don't know what the big attraction of a ditch with a little water in it is, but someone is always wanting to ride in it, or throw stuff in it. Wouldn't bother me so much if I didn't have to clean up their mess when the water is gone so I can mow it.
I have some property about 4 hours away. A power line runs diagonally across the property. The power company had someone "trim" (mulch) their right of way. Of course they didn't put my fence back up after they cut it to get onto my property. 4 wheelers and hunters routinely tear down my no trespassing signs.
I was taught to respect other people's property. As my Dad would have said the people that are trespassing need a little "school housing". I think that means a butt kickin.
showcrop
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It seems that it is very different here in New England. It is big business here and a lot of businesses make a LOT of money from the snowmobilers. The state is very heavily involved in regulating trails and riders. Landowners here who allow trails to cross there property are indemnified by the state. A snowmobiler couldn't sue the owner of property that has a trail on it unless the landowners was doing something really stupid. Club members are always on the lookout for riders who are abusing the club's trail privileges, and will deal harshly with them. I was out riding yesterday, and saw probably a hundred signs that say "STAY ON THE TRAIL OR STAY HOME". As with anything, it takes just a few bad apples to spoil it for everything else. Around here anyone who is having problems with snowmobilers, can just go to the local club and they will take care of it. For many people though it is more satisfying to complain than to try to solve a problem.
Nah, just drive your truck across their lawn when it's raining.
I read on a hot rod forum about the time a guy came out of a store to find a guy in a corvette jacket with his foot perched on the bumper of his car while he was talking to a couple of girls. The hot rod owner said hi to the group and propped his foot on the nose of the vette. Of course the vette owner came unglued, but after a little "chat" the vette owner came around to the hot rodder's way of thinking.
How's that old saying go? Turn about is fair play.
Anonymous-0
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sorry, greedy was a bad choice of words. should of used the word selfish. My point is, more owners are getting this way. I'm a land owner myself. ussually let people do things. even let strangers hunt. just kinda of irk's me when others don't. hope they get told no when they might wanta do some recreation someplace thats not thiers. A guy told me one time, you really think you own your property? Can do what you want? Don't pay your taxes and see what happens. That sure makes it sound like your just kind of borrowing it. LOL.
I was going to post similar thing today as well. There's a utility easement (gas pipeline) that sits on my land. About 90' wide for half a mile. Today I went out there and the pristine snow was torn up for the whole half mile with snowmobile tracks. They cut my fence to get onto it. Even spray painted the edges of their trails near the trees. Bent a t-post right over and left about 20 ft of fence pulled back and all bent up. Not only were they trespassing but they are guilty of destruction of property.
I think I saw their p/u truck with trailer on the main road yesterday. If I had known they were on my land, I'd probably have let the air out of their tires. That's not destruction of property, the tire would still be good. :lol:
Phil in Pa
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Aaron Ford
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While this is true, he would likely plea out of the charges while the snowmobile problem would be permanently solved. Sometimes ya gotta show em how far you are willing to go. You can't be too scared of the law that you give away ownership of your own property. If no one stands up for what's right, where are we? Who are we? I hope to live in a country that my Granddad would have been proud to have fought for.
BTW, the PA in this county wouldn't prosecute that anyhow.
That's my $0.02
Aaron Ford
BTW, the PA in this county wouldn't prosecute that anyhow.
That's my $0.02
Aaron Ford
Andy In IL
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Not to high jack the post pops1532 post reminded me the one time I had a tractor at a show. not much to look at but built it as a plow class pulling tractor. I was going to go get it to take to the track for the evening. There was a 35 year old guy sitting on it acting like he was farming with his girl freind watching. I knew the girl but never seen him before. I walked up to her and she saw me coming still not knowing that it was my tractor that he was on. I got beside her and and started playing with her petite butt. She was laughing as she thought I was just flirting with her. Boy when he saw that he came unglued off the tractor seat and got between me and her and tried to chew my a$$ out I set him straigh that I thought I can play with her a$$ since you was playing with my tractor with out permission. She got in between me and him to shut him up so I grabbed her agian while she scolded him for jumping me. Later that night she apolyize to me about what happen I told her I thought it was fair play! She just giggled.
Anonymous-0
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You put the barrel of a gun to someone's face and you'll go to jail for a long time, especially after you've already shot at him. He doesn't have to tell the sheriff anything if there's bullet holes in his hood. He claims attempted murder and your life is over! His word against yours but look at the evidence. Snowmobile tracks vs bullet holes.
There was a guy up here a few years that chased someone who was stealing his quad. He ran the quad off the road in his truck and I think threatened to shoot him. He was in a lot more trouble than the thief. His life wasn't in danger for him to need a gun.
There was a guy up here a few years that chased someone who was stealing his quad. He ran the quad off the road in his truck and I think threatened to shoot him. He was in a lot more trouble than the thief. His life wasn't in danger for him to need a gun.
Traditional Farmer
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- Virginia
When I use others people's property I expect to
PAY for using it.Guess you expect free cars to drive and free Hotel rooms?How about me sending a couple homeless fellows over to Winter at your place or at least a couple free meals?
PAY for using it.Guess you expect free cars to drive and free Hotel rooms?How about me sending a couple homeless fellows over to Winter at your place or at least a couple free meals?
Traditional Farmer
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- Virginia
Don't include me in that list of welfare farmers as I have never gotten any farm subsidy.
That statement has me steamed pal. If you want to ride then buy your own darn property. I didn't work my tail off to buy my land for you and your welfare rat buds to ride snowmobiles and 4 wheelers on and to grow pot on. You don;t pay my mortgage, you don;t pay my taxes, you don't do anything to help me out and yet you think you're somehow entitled to ride on others peoples money. That attitude of yours simply sucks IMO.
I found your follow up post- greedy or selfish, either way it;s the same thing. You think whats mine is yours. Fine, then I'll help myself to whatever of yours I feel like taking. Your money, your land, your toys. Your attitude is that of a communist.
It depends on the state. I know an auctioneer that chased a guy in a pick up that was stealing tractor parts from his consignment lot. They were going over 100MPH at times and he ran the guy off the road at over 80 mph, pulled the thief out and held him at gunpoint until the sheriff got there. The thief left in bracelets. The auctioneer got an atta boy from the sheriff.
buickanddeere
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I can see that point of view also. There are a lot of land owners that won't give permission to hunt or what not. But come deer season who's asking for permission on other land. It works both ways. As for living in a rented trailer I take offense To than that. I live in a rented trailer on in laws ground. Does that make me a lesser person than you?? Does that mean I don't have money?? I have a good job and more importantly a loving family. That my friend I would not trade for your paid off house and farms. We are to quick to judge.
buickanddeere
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Says the person who doesn't know me and claims I'm greedy for owning land.
GeneMO
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- Pilot Grove, Mo.
Well, I guess that means my family has been borrowing this land for 106 years. After that long you tend to get a little posessive of it. There is land for sale. Anybody that wants can buy their own and pay the taxes and tear it up to their hearts content.
Gene
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