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Have we done a Good job with the next generation???

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JD Seller

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There have been two good posts on here about how fellows are looking at their children/families. Those posts got me to thinking about how we have done in raising the next generation of citizens of this great country.

I have five children: Fours sons and one daughter. They all seem to be successful in their life's endeavors but their Mother and I helped them to get going. I mean this as when they where/are young adults not as children.

My children have never had to face the tough times that their Mother and I started out with. Those life experiences shaped the life my wife and I had. It made us much closer as a couple and also made us a "Team" in life. The hard work really was not a hardship. I can remember many good times that we had while working our butts off.

I can remember loading hay bales behind the baler and dancing a jig on the moving wagon just to see her laugh while driving the tractor. Then maybe a round or two later she would "flash" me just to see me stumble while walking on the moving wagon. Man, I can still see her laughing at me in my mind's eye. That has been over forty years ago now.

I can remember being so cold while "fixing" equipment in the winter in a unheated open shed. She would bring me out hot chocolate to drink. Then she would hold a light, hand me a wrench, or read the repair manual to me while keeping me company while I worked.

I can remember she and I counting the loose change we had to buy groceries for the family.

All of these things are not rare to many that are my age. I think my kids have not gotten to grow with their spouse like my wife and I did. We may have buffered them from the hard times. Has that effected how they have grown together????

They also have not had to live life worrying about where the next meal/or bill money was coming from. I know this has effected their monetary actions. I am much more conservative than they all are about money.

There is a saying that kind of states how your strength is forged by the fire of adversity. Have we/I weaken them by smoothing the way so to speak for them????

This is equipment/tractor related too. They never have "had" to farm/work with junk/bad equipment. By the time they where of age I had a fairly descent line of equipment. They have not had to use the baling wire and duct tape to keep things going. Buy 2-3 pices of "junk" to have the parts to make one work correctly.

So I often wonder how we will stack up in thier eyes????? Did we do right by them????
 
We have a split generation, in my opinion. While many are lazy and shady youngsters that would die if they had to do an honest days work. These people sign up for givernment hand out and whine if anyone says anything that offends their delicate sensitivities. There are also enough noble young people to fight two wars serving on active duty, today. This groups braves hardship and works hard. They are dignified and law abiding. They are a striking contrast to the first group.
 
Only thing I can add is you want better for them, but without giving it to them. If they have not lived those times and only hear about it, its difficult to say whether they realize the reality of what you lived through, unless they too have dealt with adversity, (an over used word in my opinion but with truth).

You will learn something from your parents, some things are desirable, others are not, even that has value, you learn what not to be like.

I don't know how you get the same effect, unless they too live it, yet both, parent and siblings are better for it, as well as being much more intelligent, smarter or experienced. You lead by example, referencing things like stacking behind a baler, tie wire repairs, bitter cold sky garage, and try to instill in them, this is not smart, but you press on with what you have, make the best of it. Ideally, you hope for them, to be able to bypass hardship, minimize it, yet respect it, but you can't shelter them from it. If you can work in the worst conditions, then you'll prosper in better situations, knowing where you started or came from.

I don't think I'd want my kids if I had any, to know what its like to live in their truck, take care of daily hygiene in a public bathroom, live in a rooming house, not eat for 3 days because the power bill or this or that came first, due to the fact that the job just does not pay enough. I can remember walking miles to work, taking the bus, bad weather, sick as a dog, forging ahead. clearing a path with no help, you'll either sink or swim, I don't know if it was plain foolish to think I'm better for it, respect and appreciate things at a healthy level and not take things for granted. We all get into situations sooner or later, that if you cannot reckon with, it will eat you up, I don't think it has much value if a person falls apart from it, at that point misery has no value, just breeds hatred, potentially violence or an assortment of problems, hard to say how any given person will react, at that juncture I think education and making better plans at an earlier age is more effective. I'd not want to see a kid I spent a life time raising, be put through so much that it ruins them, happens quite a bit.
 
You know I don't think we can screw them up if we try. Some people have a will to succeed others don't. There are 10 kids in my wife's family. Some of them are wildly successful and some on aid. Also what is success? Heaven? All older generations have worried about the younger, I am no different.:) Vic
 
AUTHOR: Socrates (469–399 B.C.)
QUOTATION: The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

Seems nothing has changed in 2400 years.
 
Yes, JD, some of us have done a poor job of getting our kids ready for life. I came up pretty much like you did, and learned early that life ain't easy. I have a daughter from my second marriage; I was 44 when she was born and I suppose I treated her more as a grandchild than a child. In other words, I spoiled her. She's 29 now, she's a college graduate, she has a job. She never gave us any problems like drugs, alcohol, promiscuity or even rebelliousness. But she's totally irresponsible and relies on me to take care of every problem and financial worry. I'm finally weaning her off of the cash cow teat, because I know that I won't be around too many more years and she's just not ready to handle what she'll be facing.
 
My job as a parent is to teach my kids how to handle life when I'm no longer around to ask for advice. How do you teach that? By giving advice when they need it, at first...and later, by giving advice only when they ask for it. The best teacher is experience...and you learn to make good decisions by making bad decisions.

I'm pretty sure that when I'm gone, my kids--who'll be 30 and 34 this year--will be able to find their own way. I was 37 when I lost my dad, and that's when I figured out that it was my turn to figure it all out on my own, without seeking his advice when I encountered something new. 'Cause I had no other choice, but also because he taught me well.
 
sometimes i wonder how so many kids feel they are entitled to things .they seem to think they have a right to own a car .but when i grew up it was a privalage to have a car it meant you took the responsablty to pay not only for the car but the repairs insurance etc. and it also meant keeping your nose out of trouble. also what happened to bring shame on your family boy if you got in trouble at school you really got it when you got home. stop and talked to a couple amish men next to there school we all ducked when the teacher let out a yell
 
JD, you've made some very valid points. This world is such a different place now.

This generation wants it now and wants it new. Waste is just the way they live, if it's broke or out dated, throw it away. It's an embarrassment to have something thats been repaired.

In my younger years, "new" was something the rich and snooty had. I took pride in being able to save something from the scrap pile, always working on an old hot rod, dirt bike, or something I was told "you can't fix that".

Technology has come so far, so fast. Where is it taking us? The next generations? Why has it exploded the way it has? Is it a good thing? God didn't like it, Gen 11:6, the tower of Babel...

Hard times... Hasn't the definition of hard times changed? It was the norm a few years ago. People did what they had to do, they were resourceful and willing to help a neighbor in need, and have the favor repaid.

Today they depend on the government to support them. Is that our fault? None of my kids are politicians, so I think not. LOL

You have been truly blessed to have a wife that is willing to stand by you through the hard times. Those are hard to find.

Wonder what this generation thinks about that? So few even bother to get married, and would it matter if they did? Just divorce at the first sign of trouble and move on.

Must be my night to rant, hope I haven't offended anyone.

It's late, good night.
 
I think the biggest failure has been allowing them too much television.
TV has robbed them of much of their creative ability and made them far too emotional.
It has cut down their attention span and made them unfocused.
TV is the root and cause of many of our society's/children's ills.
 
I can only speak for my family - raising our 2 sons on my small farm has made all the difference in them in my opinion. They know what hard work is baling hay ( they actually like it), the responsibility of taking care of animals, knowing how the chicken for Sunday dinner got there, canning and freezing from the garden and perhaps best of all they know money doesn't grow on trees.They are both Eagle Scouts, now in their late 20's and have good jobs. It also helps that we have been married 37 years so its always been a stable family. Too many people of our generation wanted to have kids but didn't want raise kids.Raising bad kids is easy, raising good kids is one of the hardest things anyone will ever do in todays world.
 
Most of us on here are from the baby boom generation, the raw fact is while you may have made it on your own and I made it on my own and the vast majority of people who frequent this forum made it on their own people like us from our generation are still the tiniest minority. The baby boom generation was the original spoiled brat generation, look what the boomers have wrought at the ballot box in 40 years, most of what is wrong in this country and most of the rights that the citizens have lost stem directly from the misguided, selfish, want it now entitlement mindset of the overwhelming majority of baby boomers. In the next 40 years boomers are going to further drive our children and grandchildrens grandchildren into slavery to the governement by demanding and receiving unprecedented public money, boomers are still the largest voting block and the politicians will do anything to keep their do nothing jobs. Don't give our generation too much credit because by and large it is not deserved.
 
i agree with you marrages are treated as a disposable item .the first sign of trouble leave it and get a new one part of the me generation.
one more sad thing i see is the way the elderly are treated stick them some place out of the way and visit when you have time.what happened to the grandparents house? ive seen so many lonely people in nursing homes and had many enjoyable minutes having them teach me and im not afraid to tell then thanks for there help.
the other thing i see and i can get in trouble for this is the babys its like if its not the right time get rid of it . granted i have seen more then a few shotgun marrages but they worked.
i guess its the me generation and old guys like me are just wrong in there thinking
 
I think most kids today are spoiled rotten.I grew up with rules.
1 You don't work around the farm. You don't eat.
2 You have chores do them
3 Make what you have last
4 You want a car you buy it
5 You break it. You pay for the repairs.
6 Respect your elders
7 No TV until school work and chores are done.
8 You get in trouble at school. It will be worse when you get home.

Probably get arrested for child abuse doing that today
 
Every generation for the last 150 years at least has had it easier than the one before it,in my opinion the ones being born now will break that string.But anyway I grew up with my grandmother in the house she was born in the late 1800's and the way I grew up much like you Seller was living on easy street compared to her life.So it goes.And don't worry about your kids facing tough times and adversity they'll be getting more than their share on the backend of their lives.
 
(quoted from post at 05:20:24 02/01/14) I think the biggest failure has been allowing them too much television.
TV has robbed them of much of their creative ability and made them far too emotional.
It has cut down their attention span and made them unfocused.
TV is the root and cause of many of our society's/children's ills.
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Agree 100%. I also would add in that public schools, especially high school, does few of them any good. Take all that and add in the fact most parents are so busy that giving the kid everything is easier than making them work and here we are, in a society full of self centered brats with poor character. I'm no better at it than anyone else, believe me. I can see the problems, but I don't have a 100% answer.
 
We followed much the same path as you did. I tried to teach the kids things at every turn. Daughter was a more eager helper than son; she could do electrical wiring by the time she was 9.

Son had his head in the clouds, but that's the kind of work that he does now!

Kids both worked on brother's farm in the summers; that kept them away from the influence of their peers in town and they learned how to work.

They were conservative with their money until they left home; then they followed the crowd. They knew when they left home that if they got into finacial trouble on their own, don't bother to call us. Harsh but it worked.

Now when they do something that we think they shouldn't, my wife and I say: "Hey, we did our best; it's no longer our responsibility!" We're much more content that way.
 
on # 4 my nephew dropped the hint he like a car he wasnt happy when i gave him the help wanted section of the paper but he took the hint
 
I'm not one of the older gen but have 2 in this gen. I think with the way most parents coddle there kids now MANUAL labor is in the history books. It's a shame that none or VERY few take pride in a job well done but always thinking how is the fastest way to get to a electronic device of some type.

I posted a couple days of my 9 yr old helping doing brakes on the semi and how much I enjoyed it. This is also the same boy taking on archery by storm, but I have to still fight him to all holy he!! to pry the I POD out of his hand some day's. I ask my self on a daily basis what am I doing wrong to create this problem.

As far as the respect thing I'm always getting on their case on the way the boy's talk to their mother. THAT IS ONE THING I WILL NOT STAND FOR is the disrespect of elders. They have figured this out in SHORT order with a hand to the butt.

I do feel we are going to hell in a hand basket but every now and then they show me a glint of hope that we will be ok. Trucker
 
You only get what you expect from your kids! If you expect nothing from them that is exactly what you get!
My grand kids I know are being raised with rules and they are very well behaved. They are not allowed to watch TV or play video games. They are expected to to their chores and on time.
Brian
 
My cousin found out about #1. Real fast. Came to spend a moth with us one summer.Thought he was to good to fallow the rules. Day and half with no food. Changed his mind.
 
Sounds to me that too many people spend to much time complaining about the younger generation, basing that complaint on one or two instances they've encountered, or saw on YouTube. Maybe if you people would put a little faith in them, you might get what you. Oh wait, you all just want someone who will work and be your person servant so you can sit at the bar getting drunk or come on some internet site complaining about the younger generation, or bragging about your accomplishments.
 
You are asking a very complex question because no two families are 100 percent alike. Also, the world has changed because honesty and integrity have less emphasis today unless you are caught at the wrong end of something. Most people could care less how ethical a person is till they are caught up in a situation and the matter becomes public. Also, various personal traits are valued differently from generation to generation. My dad tends to believe that at times I am too laid back on certain things when actually I have responded to criticism from others in my youth that said being ultra agressive was very off putting. That does not mean I run around being afraid of opportunity but does mean that when a problem arises that the mental sledgehammer is not the first tool I reach for. I try to be very measured in my responses. We had a trespassing issue a number of years ago and I responded by putting a gate up. It got the message across without engaging in a bunch of arguing that would have accomplished nothing. Back in Dad's day shouting at the offender would have been enough but we do not live in those days anymore. Different strategies for different times.
 
I can only control what I do.
I can only change me.

There have been many posts about how bad "kids" are.
Who are raising these kids?
Parents right?
Why aren't we complaining about the parents?
I will take responsibility for how my kids were raised.
One lives and works in Milwaukee. She never whats to come back to small town USA.
My son has a neurological condition that has him at a disadvantage.
Its my fault that he did not develop a better set of tools to deal with his situation, ultimately, it will be his choice as to how his live turns out.

Now reread my second line and disregard the rest.
SDE
 
(quoted from post at 05:20:24 02/01/14) I think the biggest failure has been allowing them too much television.
TV has robbed them of much of their creative ability and made them far too emotional.
It has cut down their attention span and made them unfocused.
TV is the root and cause of many of our society's/children's ills.
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I agree with the TV problem but will go one step further in that I believe that TV taught us about all the things that we NEEDED that we never even knew existed. This led in turn to the need for two incomes to be the norm, which led to kids raising them selves. I have a hard time with so many saying that today's kids will work out just fine. Didn't any one else see the results of tests a few months ago that said that our educational performance had fallen in about twenty years from around number two to around number twenty two in the world? Another big problem is the self esteem movement. Everybody loves a humble person, yet we have been teaching our kids to know that they are better than the other kid. This doesn't work out so well once they don't have parents and teachers around to shield them from disappointments. What happens when you put two young adults who each esteem themselves highly into a marriage? Has anyone noticed that? I don't recall in anytime in the past so many kids shooting people. Get your feelings hurt? somebody doesn't treat you like you deserve? go shoot them. Some twenty years ago I read a news article that told that kids that are active in a Christian youth group are EIGHT-TWO % less likely to get into trouble than their counterparts. NO I DID NOT SAY 99%. Nobody else is going to offer you odds like that. Not even FFA or 4H. We are seriously on the wrong path. If parents ditched self esteem and taught CONSEQUENCES and CHRIST they would get way better results, but who has time for that right?
 
I think about it a lot, my kids are little. My mother was born at home and lived in a chicken house for 15 years with 3 brothers and my grandma when her dad died young and they had nothing and the house burned down. Fast forward only 2 generations and look how easy my kids have it. I would say that I had it easy too growing up, but they have it easier. My dad had me out working all day when I was 10 because we had to. My 10 year old doesn't "have to", but she does some. Guess that's how time rolls on. You teach the best you can, but in the end they'll do what they want. Scares me with this world and having 3 daughters!
 
My boys get tired of hearing me say It's not how much you make it's how much you spend but as they venture into adulthood I hope they heed my advice. As others have stated I can only control and be accountable for me
 
JD, There is another view. I'll soon be 70, and some (many) of the folks my age did not work hard like you did, nor save, nor invest. Lots of them lived a hard or reckless life and that comes home to roost. It is not just the young generation, it is some percentage in every generation.
 
Well, me being 15, I can tell you that all kids my age think they know everything. I personally try my best to NOT be like that, but as you can see, I am the black sheep in my age of kids! I know that I am fully capable of taking care of my self, and of a family someday, but I don't know many other kids
like me. All of the ones I know would rather buy an Xbox over a JD, I personally have a plan:
I am trying to aquire all of the equipment that I need to farm NOW, and then when I am 18 and go out on my own, all I will need is the land.

Will it work? Man, I sure as he!! don't know, but I sure hope so! I think that if you have done a good job parenting and teaching good lessons, that when your kids are out on their own, they will probably do something wrong, suffer the consequences, and every time after that they will hear dad telling them one of those dorky sayings in their head. Then we realize, oh crap, dad was right again... Bryce
 
I agree with:

Fawteen - in that this is part of the process of growing up and pulling away from parents.

14 year old daughter is about the same attitude as your son is right now... moody, lazy in that we have to tell her to do her chores (never does any of them by her own free will), does not seem to do anything with husband and I any longer... no junkyard trips (she loved them 2 years ago), never wants to ride to town with us to run errands any more (rather stay home by herself), etc... BUT THIS TOO, SHALL PASS.

Edd in KY - I also agree there are some no-goods in every generation... husband's grandfather was a total drunken bum - he was of The Greatest Generation. My uncle was also a drunken bum... he would be about 80 now, if still living - but lost his farm (got greedy in the 70's, took on too much land), then became a drunken bum.

Takes all kinds to make the world go 'round.
 
I like your story!

We have to keep in mind the kids who essentially have raised their selves, through no fault of their own, and turned out well. I know many examples, and often wonder if the father, and sometimes the mother too, hadn't died when the kids were real young, would they have turned out better? Or worse? With that thought in mind, should we take the credit? Or the blame? In the end, we're responsible for our own actions, and the kids are too. Kids need to be brought up knowing that simple fact.

Very interesting subject!
 
"we" covers a lot of circumstances and families from which one can draw many conclusions. Most kids today are good kids with good ethics but the others get the publicity. Let's not forget what generation is serving our country today in many capacities including the military. Most kids are a product of their environment of which the greatest influence is the family. One of the biggest problems we have is that we have had it too good too long and that has caused a decline in work ethics including education. I'm afraid the "glory economic days" are gone until we get as hungry as some third world countries where their kids are driven to succeed for survivals sake. That's one reason so many Asian kids are driven and excel. However, for the most part, I am optimistic about the younger generation.
 
(quoted from post at 17:19:59 02/01/14) "we" covers a lot of circumstances and families from which one can draw many conclusions. Most kids today are good kids with good ethics but the others get the publicity. Let's not forget what generation is serving our country today in many capacities including the military. Most kids are a product of their environment of which the greatest influence is the family. One of the biggest problems we have is that we have had it too good too long and that has caused a decline in work ethics including education. I'm afraid the "glory economic days" are gone until we get as hungry as some third world countries where their kids are driven to succeed for survivals sake. That's one reason so many Asian kids are driven and excel. However, for the most part, I am optimistic about the younger generation.
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he original question was, have we done a good job raising the next generation?
Have you taught them Farsi or Spanish? Read & listen to the news. Nuf said.
 
Age old wisdom:

From the day your baby is born counseled the famous scholar, "you must teach him to do things.Children today love luxury too much. They have detestable manners, flout authority, have no respect for their elders. They no longer rise when their parents and teachers enter the room. What kind of awful creatures will they be when they grow up?

The scholar who wrote these words was Socrates, shortly befor his death in 399 B.C..

P. S. The world has been going down in a hand basket for a long time. The saving grace is the last three words of the long above paragraph. They GROW UP. Children become their parents and assume their values to large degree.

Areo
 
My Son in Law had a hard childhood. His step dad convinced his mom to divorce and marry him, knowing full well she had a son! My understanding is he would just sit in his room, as this was what was allowed by the step dad! Mom had a boy and girl by the step dad. Blood son is called son, my SIL by his name-kind of a reminder, I believe! Day he graduated from HS, he was kicked out of the house. SILs bio uncle took him in. They lived quite a ways from any available jobs. SILs aunt would not let him learn to drive in their cars. So, he is living away from jobs, HS diploma, cant drive! I was building my garage while this was going down, they were dating and I hardly knew him, so offered if he helped me I would pay his way thru drivers ed. Figured if it did not work out with my daughter, he had earned it, so no bid deal! Long story short, he trusts NO adult. I have learned to get along with him, I have to ignore him. He has no time or desire to do ANYTHING with me! He allows me to see the granddaughter, but I appear to mean nothing to him. I have no clue what to do.
 
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(quoted from post at 17:19:59 02/01/14) "we" covers a lot of circumstances and families from which one can draw many conclusions. Most kids today are good kids with good ethics but the others get the publicity. Let's not forget what generation is serving our country today in many capacities including the military. Most kids are a product of their environment of which the greatest influence is the family. One of the biggest problems we have is that we have had it too good too long and that has caused a decline in work ethics including education. I'm afraid the "glory economic days" are gone until we get as hungry as some third world countries where their kids are driven to succeed for survivals sake. That's one reason so many Asian kids are driven and excel. However, for the most part, I am optimistic about the younger generation.
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he original question was, have we done a good job raising the next generation?
Have you taught them Farsi or Spanish? Read & listen to the news. Nuf said.
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have you associated with any Vietnamese? They are ambitious! I think that it is Chinese and Vietnamese that our kids and Grand kids will be working for.
 
I think if we really sit down and think about it we could say the same about us and or father or grandfather as we say about us and our grow kids. We have been evolving for generations to a one track life.
Take my grandfather. He was a dairy farmer that did everything. Grew crops; milked cows; delivered milk with horse and buggy.
Then my father milked cows. He left the growing crops and delivery to some one else. Knew very little about that side of the business but still kept the small farm attitude.
My generation is mega dairies.

Now with my kids. Did I fail them???
Well I can remember one thing my son said to his mom when he was 25 or so.
"I wish I had paid attention when dad forced me to help him do so and so. Maybe now I could do the same for myself"
But then again he has the money to pay someone to do so and so.
The point is he does not multi task well. He does his job very well but ask him to do something outside of his job and he is lost.
On the other hand I do not multi task as well as my father or grandfather. They knew many things I have no idea how to do.

Look around and you can see this all over. We do our job and live in our little world. Ask us about anything else and we are dumb founded.

Take Atlanta this past week. It was the governor; mayor; weatherman's fault hundreds were stranded on the highway. Did you once hear anyone say it was my dumb a$$ fault for going out that day. Would you have seen the same blame game 50 years ago??

So yes I have failed in raising my kids. Just like my father failed me and my grandfather failed him.
We have grown as a society to expect everything handed to us. We will pay for the service but we want someone else to provide it.
 
I don't beleive that is true across the boards. My father did not fail me!!! He challenged me! I learned all I could from him and it made me want to know more!! I can see him sitting there with a cup of coffee when I was a young boy. Something was broken. I'd ask him to help me. Sure, no problem, I'll tell you what you need to know pick up the wrench. I'd do all the work, he would instruct. My Father is my hero. My Dad gave me the ability to be a Jack of all trades. If you want to do it...you can.

I know I am not the only one in my generation. There are alot of us. Now I have almost no family contact since my Dad passed away from cancer. My wife and I are on our own rasing my daughter. I am proud, damned proud of us. We have no debt other than our mortgage, we both work, we make hay in the summer to feed our beef and sell the excess. I do some custom work on the side. My wife supports me by helping with hay, keeping a nice home, loving me and my Daughter and going to her job. We are a team 50/50 to get 100% of the job done. It all goes into one pot and goes out to keep the home running.

Just for reference, I am 42 and my wife is 40.

On the horizon, I am friendly with a 21 year old that has his head screwed on straight. I see all the same drive in him as I see in myself. I don't believe the entire thing is in the dumps. I do believe there are hard working ambitious people out there that can honor the drive and spirit of the old farmer's that had to do it all the hard way.

Stumpy
 
All trust is based on either direct experience, or hear say. The hear say trust is .3 as valued as direct. Unless there is a direct connection to build a relationship, it will remain at zilch (not good). Because he has shut the listening side of hearsay (that you are a positive reality based good guy) it can't happen. Possible pathways might be building a link through the child, or your daughter. Be slow and positive. Jim
 
Hope you mean hit! Ill leave the rest of my complaints about the situation to myself, but I see ALOT of the pot calling the kettle black here!
 
Showcrop,

Not disagreeing with you but once the US Dept. of Education was
formed and started controlling all education it has all been down
hill.They should have left it the way it was with the individual states
running their own programs.

JMHO

Vito
 
Probably just like past generations. 10% of the folks carry 80% of the load when it comes to inventiveness, the mover and shakers, the people who build big businesses and design skyscrapers, etc.

Then there is a middle bunch, hardworking, works for someone else, or has a small business, but responsible and struggles to make ends meet.

Then about the bottom 10% are worthless bums.

Gene
 
You are right about the adversity part.....I think now that means going a weekend without internet or a phone...now society has too much available that it has lost some of the sense of importance.
 
Areo, you said "They no longer rise when their parents and teachers enter the room. What kind of awful creatures will they be when they grow up?"

Areo. Those are just customs, the customs of your time and place and important to you but just customs. I have been around the world many times and the customs of many peoples and countries are odd, silly or even counter productive. Adhering to customs display respect for elders or society, but may be pointless. I think the reason those young folks do not stand for their elders is because their parents did not do it or teach it. If that is all it takes to fix our country...we are lucky. It is a lot bigger than that.
 
(quoted from post at 12:35:48 02/01/14) Showcrop,

Not disagreeing with you but once the US Dept. of Education was
formed and started controlling all education it has all been down
hill.They should have left it the way it was with the individual states
running their own programs.

JMHO

Vito
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That could very well be, but whatever the cause our children/ grandchildren are evidently not being prepared.
 
"the elderly are treated stick them some place out of the way and visit when you have time.what happened to the grandparents house?"

Good Lord! The Grandparent's house? Wish I could afford one of my own.
 
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