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jimg.allentown
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FIAT= Fix It Again, Tony
People have known that for years. Some people, mostly MOPAR (my old Plymouth ain't running) guys have been refusing to acknowledge that Chrysler isn't really Chrysler any longer, or that they are no longer a Dodge Ram but simply a Ram, and (joke) who really wants to get into a sheep. I know that was baaad.
Rick
DaninKansas
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What payments? external_link gave them most of the company because they would take it.
ShadetreeRet
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When Fiat was introduced in the U.S. back in the sixties, they were worse than junk! (You can fix junk). Ironically, Fiat has always enjoyed reasonable success in the racing field.
Naw, I ain't happy with the situation, but there is nothing I can do about it. Presently, Chrysler cars and Ram trucks are still good quality and good performers, speed wise.I only hope that Fiat realizes the loyal following that the brand has and will continue the tradition.
Naw, I ain't happy with the situation, but there is nothing I can do about it. Presently, Chrysler cars and Ram trucks are still good quality and good performers, speed wise.I only hope that Fiat realizes the loyal following that the brand has and will continue the tradition.
There will still be mopar, and I don't have nothing against fiat
as we run Case/new holland equipment, and for your
Plymouth, there is gonna be a Plymouth barracuda available
2015 and there dropping the challenger and gonna make a 6.2
hemi supercharged over 600hp. And yeah I'm gonna keep
buying my dodge trucks! Won't ever own a new or used ford
and not a new Chevy but I do like a few Chevys.
as we run Case/new holland equipment, and for your
Plymouth, there is gonna be a Plymouth barracuda available
2015 and there dropping the challenger and gonna make a 6.2
hemi supercharged over 600hp. And yeah I'm gonna keep
buying my dodge trucks! Won't ever own a new or used ford
and not a new Chevy but I do like a few Chevys.
just have to watch and see what happens if fiat turns dodge into junk to be more like what they already offer we dont have to buy them, me personally dont worry my 40 year old stuff just keeps on running, and it almost never has any problems, just cant beat american made from back when they really were
Goose
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Actually, in the early 1970's I had a '69 Fiat 850 Spyder Roadster that was a neat little car. I still call it the most fun car I ever owned.
Only problem was, I had to take a couple of dents out of it after I bought it and Fiat wasn't exactly consistent in their paint colors, even the same color and year, and shading and blending hadn't been developed to the level they are today.
Plus, on a 50 mile round trip commute per day, I was getting 34 mpg when everyone else was getting 12-14.
Only problem was, I had to take a couple of dents out of it after I bought it and Fiat wasn't exactly consistent in their paint colors, even the same color and year, and shading and blending hadn't been developed to the level they are today.
Plus, on a 50 mile round trip commute per day, I was getting 34 mpg when everyone else was getting 12-14.
ShadetreeRet
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Goose, the Spyder had slipped my mind. From what I heard back then, they were a fun car to drive. As for maintenance, I don't know if they were any better than the sedans, or if most people just expected to have to do more work on a sports model.
The vehicles that I was referring to were the 600 2dr. (recycled beer can) and the 1100 4dr. sedan. I knew people who had both, and they were not very reliable.
The vehicles that I was referring to were the 600 2dr. (recycled beer can) and the 1100 4dr. sedan. I knew people who had both, and they were not very reliable.
Kent Petersen
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Ya and look what happend to Allis after Fiat bought them
Actually I suspect now that the name is under the Fiat banner that they will do what they have been doing with the Fiat car line. Under engineering and lower quality standards to try to squeeze as much profit as possible out of each vehicle. That's why Fiat cars have the well earned reputation they have today.
As far as CaseNH goes look at what's going on there. They have factory reps telling people to buy other brands over certain models, happened to be a couple of years ago at the Big Iron show in Fargo. Rep told be if you want something smaller than 150HP that other brands were better tractors. I found that rather amusing. Gotta love Fiat, they are great for comic relief.
Rick
As far as CaseNH goes look at what's going on there. They have factory reps telling people to buy other brands over certain models, happened to be a couple of years ago at the Big Iron show in Fargo. Rep told be if you want something smaller than 150HP that other brands were better tractors. I found that rather amusing. Gotta love Fiat, they are great for comic relief.
Rick
Yep- You are probably 100% correct. Daimler was in there for awhile and left Chrysler with the now-infamous G56 6-speed and rinky-dink 'dual-mass clutch'. Evidently GM, Mopar & Ford fans are more concerned with keeping up the brand's reputation than is 'management'! :twisted:
Hay hay hay
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So are you saying that you wish Chrysler had just gone out of business? Disappeared? A better alternative?
When 90% of their sales were on credit (as with all autos) and suddenly there was almost no credit available to almost anyone (late 2008).....how long can any company be expected last with almost no sales?
I am surprised they held on 6 months.
When 90% of their sales were on credit (as with all autos) and suddenly there was almost no credit available to almost anyone (late 2008).....how long can any company be expected last with almost no sales?
I am surprised they held on 6 months.
Anonymous-0
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You got it all wrong, it's " Move Over, Plymouth Approaching Rapidly!"
Chrysler products have been made fun of since I can remember. Hydraulic brakes in early 30's, open drive shaft, pumpkin differentials, independent front suspension, internally operated vacuum advance on distributors, ram induction, hemi heads, heater in cars that actually worked(not that they do in pickups anymore) and on and on. Have owned Chev, Ford, lot of Chrysler products.
CH(upstate,NY)
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And the unions don't. Over in Syracuse we had New Venture Gear, you know the NV transfer cases. Well when gas went up and SUV sales went down they announced they had to cut back. What did the workers do? Went on strike. One more empty factory in Syracuse.
Carrier did the same thing.
Carrier did the same thing.
mab570diesel
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i find that very hard to believe doesnt even make sense. smaller ones just as good as bigger ones what about the boomers?
People can make fun of them all they want but they have made great cars and trucks and espicially motors don't think ford has to many legendary engines like mopars like a 318,340,360,383,400,440 or the hemi Chevy has some good motors, and if they were so bad why are there so many around? And they even made a pretty much bullet proof 727 transmission, look at the old challengers,chargers,cudas, and road runners etc and tell me you wouldn't want one yeah right!
Yeah it doesn't make much sense they'd talk bad about who
they are working for, that'd be like saying you tried to right a
check out to buy one and they told you they won't take your
money go buy a John Deere, it isn't gonna happen but you can
believe what you want. I know the case/new Hollands I've ran
are great from skidloaders to end loaders and tractors, even
though I prefer the bobcat they make a good skidloader to.
they are working for, that'd be like saying you tried to right a
check out to buy one and they told you they won't take your
money go buy a John Deere, it isn't gonna happen but you can
believe what you want. I know the case/new Hollands I've ran
are great from skidloaders to end loaders and tractors, even
though I prefer the bobcat they make a good skidloader to.
Mark - IN.
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I seen one of them on the interstate. It was pulling a fifth wheel Radio Flier loaded with a couple of antique Schwinns.
Well, my newest is an '02. Think I'll be keeping them for awhile.
Mark
Well, my newest is an '02. Think I'll be keeping them for awhile.
Mark
I was actually talking to a CaseIH factory rep about a tractor in the 120 PTO HP range at the Big Iron Show in Fargo. Guy told me he didn't think very much of the ones CaseIH was offering and said in his opinion that JD and MF offered much better tractors in that size class. He said the ones I was interested in were being made in Turkey or India. Now the guy could have just been a disgruntled employee, I don't know. He sure had great things to say about CaseIH stuff over 150HP and the combines. Maybe the guy had it in mind that he could sell me something bigger. I myself was shocked. I, myself don't know and if I decide to get another tractor you can bet I'm going to ask if anyone one here has any experience with what I'm looking at new or used. Right now my options here are limited to CaseNH and JD. The AGCO dealer is a joke. And the next closest AGCO dealer is one in the same and 40 miles away. I'm just saying what happened. You don't have to believe me. Isn't going to change the fact that it did.
Rick
Ram 1500-Motor Trends "Truck of the Year" 2 years in a row for
the first time ever, is coming out with a V6 diesel made by a Fiat
subsidiary. Mileage is in the 20's. It is the same basic engine the
military has been using in some of it's vehicles. Good things are
still possible from Fiat.
the first time ever, is coming out with a V6 diesel made by a Fiat
subsidiary. Mileage is in the 20's. It is the same basic engine the
military has been using in some of it's vehicles. Good things are
still possible from Fiat.
Motor Trend?
Some of their car of the year winners:
1960 Corviar
1963 Rambler (all models)
1971 Vega (real winner here boys)
1972 Citroën SM
1974 Ford Mustang II (almost as bad as the Vega)
1980 Chevrolet Citation
1981 Chrysler K Cars, Dodge Aries and Plymouth Reliant (nuff said)
1983 AMC / Renault Alliance (another one here, what a POS)
1986 Ford Taurus LX
1993 Ford Probe GT
2001 Chrysler PT Cruiser (Looks cool to me but built on the Neon chassis and the list of warranty problems was amazing)
2004 Toyota Prius
2011 Chevrolet Volt
Now these were all real winners! All selected by Motor Trend. That would be my last source to help me select a vehicle. All the vehicles listed had people who loved them but the majority of owners were not satisfied at all.
Vehicles are subjected a battery of tests: standard car tests such as skid-pad ratings, acceleration and quarter-mile times, and evaluations of the interiors are combined with a track run conducted by SCCA-licensed testers and taking the cars out on normal roads to test their drivability under normal conditions, and fuel economy. Trucks and SUVs add towing capacity and speed, plus an off-road course, to the normal regimen.
But they don't really put that many miles on them nor do they address what they will be worth say 5 years later or how long they will last.
According to JD Powers the Chevy/GMC pickups for the 2013 year model were the most dependable and reliable. So where does that put Motor Trends rating? Their truck of the year wasn't the most dependable or reliable? What's up with that. I stopped paying any attention to Motor Trend in the 80's.
Rick
RandyB(MI)
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you probably just happen to meet one of the few "honest" salesmen in which case he will be short lived. Compensation packages usually don.t bennefit the honest.
That's true unfortunately. What happened to the honest guys. Right after we moved here and dad started farming (I was still in high school) my BIL's dad bought a used tractor. About a week later it started loosing power and his dad got my dad to look at it. Dad pulled the valve cover and found a "silver mine". The rocker assemble wasn't getting oil. The dealer brought out a loaner and picked that one up. After they rebuilt the engine at their cost they delivered it and picked up the loaner, no charge. I miss dealerships like that.
Rick
Buckeye Oliver collector
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Well we've heard it all before. Fix It Again Tony but I think Ford has the best ones, Found On Road Dead and Fixed Or Repaired Daily. Also Driver Returns On Foot (FORD backwards). I'll never own another Ford.
Brian Jasper co. Ia
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The only thing remotely close to legendary in the Chrysler engine line up were the 392 and 426 hemi"s. Funny thing is they got out ran by Ford"s wedge 427 FE. Nascar wouldn"t allow the 427 SOHC since nobody else produced anything close to it"s capability. Richard Petty knew a good thing when he saw it. He got tired of being beat by the fastback Torino in 68 and hopped into a Talladega for 69. Like it or not, Chrysler just doesn"t have the racing pedigree that Ford has. The GT40 taking the 24 hrs at Le mans 3 years in a row from Ferrari, Carroll Shelby"s FE powered Cobras, the PRODUCTION 427 Tunnel Port powered Galaxie prepped by Holman-Moody taking down the NON PRODUCTION 426 through the 60"s, sorry guy. Chrysler had to settle for runner up at best.
Which 351? 351W, 351C, 3351M? The Ford 351M and 400 were nothing to brag about. But the 460 was a good, durable with gobs of HP and torque stock. The 460 could be bored and stroked out to 600, what was known as the gorilla block or engine. In fact the 460 has a much better reputation overall than the 440 and the 454 in stock engines.
The 460 had HP ratings depending on the year and application anywhere from 200 (net) to 345 HP (Flywheel) and torque over 400. Now unlike the Dodge claim oh HP on the Cummins a couple of years where that HP figure was achievable but only above max rated RPM, the HP and torques ratings on the 460 were well within RPM limits. The 460, with just small mods could be bumped up in HP fast and easy. Just headers and intake manifold really made a jump on the early 460.
I knew of a worked on a lot of 440's with issues, mostly ignition on the minor side. Spun bearings on the serious side. The 464 pickup engine was famous for spun bearings with young drivers especially if they were stuck. The 460 was about bullet proof compared to both of those.
In the early days of IE IMO the GM system was the best followed by Ford. The Chrysler IE was so bad that box stores sold parts for them long before they sold IE parts for Ford or GM.
So, just what kind of problems did you have with a 460?
Rick
Anonymous-0
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Jeez.....never heard that before.
GRAPE-DRANK
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The best engine mopar made was the 4.0 i6 BAR NONE.
The best engines Ford made were the 300 six and the 302.
Chevy small block 350 and an honorable mention to the 5.3 325.
The Toyota 2.7 DOHC 4 cyl is a great motor too. Not much power, but capable of a ton of miles.
The best engines Ford made were the 300 six and the 302.
Chevy small block 350 and an honorable mention to the 5.3 325.
The Toyota 2.7 DOHC 4 cyl is a great motor too. Not much power, but capable of a ton of miles.
I am a bit concerned about what will happen to Chrysler. I've driven Fords since I was very young, and they have been extremely reliable. In '08 we were looking for a rear drive powerful sedan, and the Charger was about the only thing on the market that satisfied us, so we bought a Charger R/T. What a great car. Power, handling, comfort, and reliable. Traded it on a '12 Durango R/T in '12, and have been nothing but happy with it. Both of these cars have Mercedes designed chassis, and I'm convinced that Mercedes did a world of good for Chrysler. The next generation of these platforms, designed with Fiat's influence, will probably chase me back to Ford. (Will NEVER own a GM). I guess I'll just take a look when it's time to trade. I do like the idea of a diesel in the light trucks, something Ford should have done a long time ago. I would own a diesel Expedition if they made one.
The 351 was a Cleveland, and the 460 was in a 1988 f250
took out two water pumps, had to put in a head gasket,
exhaust manifolds cracked, broke the timing gear chain and
took out a rod bearing, and and to top it off the gas mileage
was terrible. And of you ever worked it, it loved to overheat.
My old 360 is a more impressive motor, talk about if you
wanna bump up a motor, I put I. A different cam, different
intake 4 barrel Holley high rise carb and headers and a electric
fan, and now my old 360 has plenty of power.
took out two water pumps, had to put in a head gasket,
exhaust manifolds cracked, broke the timing gear chain and
took out a rod bearing, and and to top it off the gas mileage
was terrible. And of you ever worked it, it loved to overheat.
My old 360 is a more impressive motor, talk about if you
wanna bump up a motor, I put I. A different cam, different
intake 4 barrel Holley high rise carb and headers and a electric
fan, and now my old 360 has plenty of power.
T in NE
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Don't forget oillite bushings and building the Apollo rockets. They figured another 5 years and they would have had a viable turbine car, but congress decided NASA could do a better job developing it.
When Iaccocca took over he eliminated the sales bank. They didn't build a car that wasn't spoken for. When Daimler took over they reinstated it. That's why they had 6 months worth of trucks sitting on dealer lots in southern California with buy one/get one free deals if you had the cash. They built cars and let someone else worry about selling them.
When Iaccocca took over he eliminated the sales bank. They didn't build a car that wasn't spoken for. When Daimler took over they reinstated it. That's why they had 6 months worth of trucks sitting on dealer lots in southern California with buy one/get one free deals if you had the cash. They built cars and let someone else worry about selling them.
The 351C could be a good engine depending on the year model.
On the 460, I've heard of people spinning a rod bearing in the 460 but that's pretty rare and is a result of very high RPM's usually well over 5500 or an oil issue as in lack of. Could be the oil pump or operator error. They did have an exhaust manifold cracking problem from water splash (I know, I cracked one) Replace the manifold and splash shield and no more problem. I've work was a mechanic and never seen a broken timing chain in a 460. Sure I saw em worn out but never broken. All the problems you describe sounds like someone rodded the living heck out of it. On the other hand the 460 was very easy to bump HP in and would far outdo anything the 360 could even think of. I did, before I developed my dislike of MOPAR own a 360. It was one of the reasons I came to dislike MOPAR products. They have a history, a long history of cam and lifter problems. Were considered a gas hog and stock lacked power.
I drove a F250 2 wheel drive 460 V8. Carb model. Stock it was a monster. Would pull anything I hooked to it. Loaded on the highway with about 1K in the bed and another 8K between a trailer and load got 11 MPG over a 650 miles road trip. It would drive the same route empty at 13 MPG. Considering the year and the engine I was OK with that.
As far as the question you ask about the 318 and the length of time it was produced. Money is the answer. The 318 was no better than the 350 Chevy or the Ford 302. In fact repair history on those engine would make it #3. If they had replaced the 318 it would have meant a lot of money in research and development of a replacement. Plus the added cost of switching over production. They kept it because it was an OK design and the cost of replacing it. But bottom line was MONEY.
A reporter in the 90's interviewed some retired Chrysler engineers individually . When questioned about unreliable transmission all of them said the same thing. Better designs were rejected by the bean counters. On electrical issues they all complained that when they said this circuit needed to be 12Ga wire they would be over ridden and 14GA would be used. And it was all over money. Many of them expressed anger because they said they could have done much better, but because of the need of a pay check sucked it up and continued to work.
Rick
LOL around here I know several people who are getting in Fords and Chevys that old or older and driving em to work. I know no one with a Dodge that old driving em to work. In fact the only person I know with a Dodge that old has it parked in a tree line and it hasn't run in years. I haven't seen a 85 or older Dodge on the road as a daily drive in a long time so you must be the exception rather than the rule.
I've owned two MOPARS and I'll never own a 3rd. I just don't want to be fixing on em all the time.
Rick
Have a friend who was a shop foreman at a mopar dealership for many years.Said the 360 engine was the worst engine mopar ever made.
As to the 318,it wasen't that bad an engine but the HP output was high as was the RPM it was rated at.They got used pretty hard.The 727 TorqueFlite X/mis was the best/toughest automatic out there.
As for the SBC-Rear Main Seal been leaking since 1955!Been around and popular for a long time because of low production cost and low cost performance parts.
351 Cleveland-Had a HO version.Beat that thing to death but it wouldn't die.
460 Ford-Tough as nails.Good power and torque at low RPM.Better than GM 454 which was a pretty good engine in it's own right.
Exhaust manifold cracks:Most any of them will crack if exhaust tempature is run high enough long enough!
buickanddeere
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Can't make a turbine engine work in a light duty mobile application unless in a hybrid electric vehicle. A turbine operates best at 100% power continuous.
A small twin cylinder turbo diesel would work better on the highway.
I have a guy that works with me that drives a 1977 with a 440
to work everyday to, and my uncle has a1984 he bought
new he still drives daily also, here's mine, its gonna get
restored this summer as soon as lmc truck gets there dodge
parts available its getting redone inside and out, I already have
the replacement panels for the box which really aren't rotted
out to bad for its age. And it handles a load like that like
nothing is behind it usually I pull two loaded racks, but I did
have to buy new tires for it this last year, put over $1000 of
tires on bought the expensive Mickey Thompson mtz tires they
sure get good traction.
to work everyday to, and my uncle has a1984 he bought
new he still drives daily also, here's mine, its gonna get
restored this summer as soon as lmc truck gets there dodge
parts available its getting redone inside and out, I already have
the replacement panels for the box which really aren't rotted
out to bad for its age. And it handles a load like that like
nothing is behind it usually I pull two loaded racks, but I did
have to buy new tires for it this last year, put over $1000 of
tires on bought the expensive Mickey Thompson mtz tires they
sure get good traction.
Anonymous-0
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.....and that is supposed to impress? I regularly pull a similar wagon with 8 big rolls with a 23HP tractor! :shock:(quoted from post at 21:44:56 02/02/14) I have a guy that works with me that drives a 1977 with a 440
to work everyday to, and my uncle has a1984 he bought
new he still drives daily also, here's mine, its gonna get
restored this summer as soon as lmc truck gets there dodge
parts available its getting redone inside and out, I already have
the replacement panels for the box which really aren't rotted
out to bad for its age. And it handles a load like that like
nothing is behind it usually I pull two loaded racks, but I did
have to buy new tires for it this last year, put over $1000 of
tires on bought the expensive Mickey Thompson mtz tires they
sure get good traction.
(quoted from post at 13:58:59 02/02/14).....and that is supposed to impress? I regularly pull a similar wagon with 8 big rolls with a 23HP tractor! :shock:(quoted from post at 21:44:56 02/02/14) I have a guy that works with me that drives a 1977 with a 440
to work everyday to, and my uncle has a1984 he bought
new he still drives daily also, here's mine, its gonna get
restored this summer as soon as lmc truck gets there dodge
parts available its getting redone inside and out, I already have
the replacement panels for the box which really aren't rotted
out to bad for its age. And it handles a load like that like
nothing is behind it usually I pull two loaded racks, but I did
have to buy new tires for it this last year, put over $1000 of
tires on bought the expensive Mickey Thompson mtz tires they
sure get good traction.
That's what I was thinking. I can pull that with a small tractor.
My wife pulls loads like that with her Suburban, It's real close to 310,000 miles, original engine, had a new tranny at 258,000.
Rick
Tx Jim
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G1355
Man that looks like a full load for a 440 cid. I once owned a '77 Power Wagon 4X4 400 cid that got 12 MPG(6MPG in town & 6 MPG on the highway).
rockyridgefarm
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Haven't you fellas met Tirteen Fitty Five yet? You can respond 100 times and he'll be back 101, saying the same thing.
Arguing with a fool is like wrestling with a pig - You only end up dirty, THEN you find out the pig likes it!
Arguing with a fool is like wrestling with a pig - You only end up dirty, THEN you find out the pig likes it!
Anonymous-0
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Yep, little g1355 is always good for a big 'ol belly laugh.
Usually I pull two together with 12 total, and I've pulled it with a
little tractor, it overheats our 66 oliver, these are 6ft round
bales, I load them with a s650 bobcat and there not light it's
rated for 2990 pounds and it can get tipsy espicially when
there a bit wet, look how the rack is bowing there not light they
weigh around 2200lbs a piece. I had over 12,000 pounds on it.
I also pull a 375 bushel seed tender like nothing 60mph
little tractor, it overheats our 66 oliver, these are 6ft round
bales, I load them with a s650 bobcat and there not light it's
rated for 2990 pounds and it can get tipsy espicially when
there a bit wet, look how the rack is bowing there not light they
weigh around 2200lbs a piece. I had over 12,000 pounds on it.
I also pull a 375 bushel seed tender like nothing 60mph
That's kinda how my 360 is usually get around 9mpg but then
again its full time 4wd which hurts it but its a old ole truck, like
the 70s dodge trucks they are very tough you can beat them
especially if they have a Dana 44 or 60 rear ends and the 727
transmission there basically bullet proof.
again its full time 4wd which hurts it but its a old ole truck, like
the 70s dodge trucks they are very tough you can beat them
especially if they have a Dana 44 or 60 rear ends and the 727
transmission there basically bullet proof.
I'd like to see bigger roles than these, there outta a brand new
569 Deere baler they don't get any bigger, I'd like to see yours.
And as I said I've pulled it with a 66 oliver which is like 24hp
and you will overheat it and its all it wants. With a truck it's like
nothing is back there
569 Deere baler they don't get any bigger, I'd like to see yours.
And as I said I've pulled it with a 66 oliver which is like 24hp
and you will overheat it and its all it wants. With a truck it's like
nothing is back there
It's a 360, I plan on buying a 440 shortly, a truck isn't gonna
pull what a tractor will due to the weight to power ratio, a new
diesel truck is around 400hp there's no 400hp pickup gonna
out pull a 400hp tractor which would be around a 40,000lb 4wd
tractor it's not gonna happen
pull what a tractor will due to the weight to power ratio, a new
diesel truck is around 400hp there's no 400hp pickup gonna
out pull a 400hp tractor which would be around a 40,000lb 4wd
tractor it's not gonna happen
Yea but I could pull that with a 300 CID 6 too. The problem with that kind of load isn't pulling it. It's stopping it when some fool does something stupid, like pulling out in front of you.
Heck my sisters husband has pulled many loads like that with many different trucks. 77 GMC 1/2 ton, 350 auto. 79 Power Wagon 360, auto (didn't last long he only had it about 2 years went to the crusher). 83 Ford F250 300, 4 speed. 89 F250 351W 5 speed. Now that's between 1977 and today. He's been farming and pulling loads like that sense 72. From 72 till 77 they used his dads 63 Ford. Now that my nephew is farming with his dad they are using the nephews 02 F250 Power Stroke. may now be hay, could be 250 BU grain wagons. He doubles those up too. Only truck he got new was the GMC.
So your truck doing what other trucks have been doing for decades isn't impressive. Maybe it's impressive to you but 1. I never measure manhood by a truck. 2. For those of us who have been around for 50, 60 or more years, well you gotta do something better than that to impress us. Know what impresses me? How about that guy or gal, packing their bags going on their 3rd of 4th or more deployment to a combat zone. Putting their lives on hold for the rest of us. Saying by to family and friends for another year. It's an all volunteer force doing this. Or some of the old farmers around here who have worked hard from the time they were kids. They are impressive too. Or the guy who puts in a honest days work at a job. Or the guy or gal who is just doing their best to be a good parent. Or the kid busting their butt to get through college or trade school. Or even the kid busting his butt to eventually take over the farm. That's impressive. A truck may be cool, but in the end it's just another truck. Most of the adults I know over the age of 35 see a jacked up truck with a loud exhaust and think the driver is compensating for something.
Rick
Well if that isn't impressive here's one of my new Powerwagon
and I can pull both 760 buschel wagons loaded and yeah it's
got a hemi. And yeah I can pull both with my 79 to but as you
said stopping is more of a problem when there on the new
truck at least I have wagon brakes. But let me guess this isn't
impressive either pulling a bigger load than a semi. And you don't wanna know what I've scaled going across the scale it probably wouldn't impress you either lol.
and I can pull both 760 buschel wagons loaded and yeah it's
got a hemi. And yeah I can pull both with my 79 to but as you
said stopping is more of a problem when there on the new
truck at least I have wagon brakes. But let me guess this isn't
impressive either pulling a bigger load than a semi. And you don't wanna know what I've scaled going across the scale it probably wouldn't impress you either lol.
I got no real dog in this fight, but I'll tell you this much- I've owned or used vehicles by Chrysler, Chevy, Ford, Toyota, Nissan, Honda, AMC, Jeep, International, Sunbeam, MG, Porsche, VW, Hino, Mitsubishi and probably a few others I've forgotten. They all break down eventually and none of them is perfect. They don't make my perfect truck or car. That's life.
I'll pass along a real life anecdote. I got a complaint once of a guy who found his new Ford truck totally trashed one Sunday morning. Windows smashed out, upholstery ripped, tires slashed, engine compartment smashed, etc. Wasn't real hard to find the guy that did it. Picked up the other guy and asked him why he did it? I figured he and the trucks owner must have been at war over a girl or something. Nope, he'd never so much as laid eye's on the owner. What had happened was he'd gone out the night before and gotten tanked up and had seen this truck in a parking lot. In his words, he'd "lost it". I asked what he meant. He said, "Ford SUCKS!!!" And that's why he committed a felony and, IIRC, went to jail for close to a year after the plea bargain.
Arguments like this always remind me of that.
I'll pass along a real life anecdote. I got a complaint once of a guy who found his new Ford truck totally trashed one Sunday morning. Windows smashed out, upholstery ripped, tires slashed, engine compartment smashed, etc. Wasn't real hard to find the guy that did it. Picked up the other guy and asked him why he did it? I figured he and the trucks owner must have been at war over a girl or something. Nope, he'd never so much as laid eye's on the owner. What had happened was he'd gone out the night before and gotten tanked up and had seen this truck in a parking lot. In his words, he'd "lost it". I asked what he meant. He said, "Ford SUCKS!!!" And that's why he committed a felony and, IIRC, went to jail for close to a year after the plea bargain.
Arguments like this always remind me of that.
Anonymous-0
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Well said. There's good and bad in them all.
Childish pissing match, my truck/tractor/@@@@ is better/bigger than yours, childish.
Anonymous-0
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Just a dorkey little kid that thinks Pickup makes him a man.
Daddy's PU at that!
Daddy's PU at that!
rockyridgefarm
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You ever watch those videos where a "Muscle Man" pulls a fully loaded bus WITH HIS TEETH!!!!! Whoopdy flipdy doo that your pickup can pull those boxes. My friend's Fiat 500 can get those boxes rolling. Now stopping.....
It takes a true idiot to hook anything other than a BIG tractor to even one box like that.
We'll see you on the news.
It takes a true idiot to hook anything other than a BIG tractor to even one box like that.
We'll see you on the news.
BINGO! I thought I posted something about stopping em too. Most of the guys around here with that much grain to haul have real trucks and those are even going over to semi's. My BIL and Nephew last year started having a Semi come in and pick theirs up.
Still ain't impressed. Heck I saw a guy the other day with a goose neck trailer behind a pick up. A 706 and 1066 IH tractor on it. My first thought was, "I don't want to get in front of that guy".
G1355, that pickup is never going to make you a man. It's what's in your head and in your heart that will do that.
And you are not alone. One of my SIL's has an 02 F350, jacked up, diesel that he just has to have to feel like a man. But he works hard. Does his best to be a good father and husband and is willing to work his butt off to support his family. The first makes him some guy with a truck. The 2nd makes him a man. A pretty darn good man.
Rick
buickanddeere
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Son I don't know how or why there is something blocking the flow of common sense , logic and the laws of physics.that is coming from concerned persons such as oldtanker. Who instead of being interested in a peeing contest. They are concerned for the well being of yourself, family, friends, neighbours and innocent strangers on the road.
buickanddeere
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Hmmmmmmm. You are just totally and completely missing the entire point? We are worried you are going to cause a wreck with an overloaded rig. We don't care if it's with a Ram,Ford, GM, Deere, CIH or Agco.
There is something more to how you are handling this. Is it more than pride and ego? Did you have a learning disability in school?
G1355, I'm not trying to change your mind. Age an experience will do that for you. I never said I that Oliver or MM are junk. I wouldn't mind a couple of different models of Olivers here.
What we are trying to tell you, and you seem to be ducking, is that a truck, tractor, clothing, boat, fire arm, how fast you can run or how much you can drink doesn't make you a man. A man is defined by what he does and how he conducts himself, not by crap he owns.
When I started this post it was just an informative thing about what Fiat is doing.
If you would quit trying to sell us on a vehicle most of us don't want an some wouldn't even consider owning we would stop messing with you about them.
Rick
Nope made the 3.5 honor role all 4 years. And yeah I do take
pride in what I have and how hard work pays off, when you
have stuff paid for and know its yours and no one can take it, it
feels good to know your hard work pays off. And yes I'm
tickled to death I have what I do.
pride in what I have and how hard work pays off, when you
have stuff paid for and know its yours and no one can take it, it
feels good to know your hard work pays off. And yes I'm
tickled to death I have what I do.
B&D, others and I have been trying to point out to you that a man is known by his actions and deeds. You seem to keep missing that point.
Your actions and deeds will tell others weather you are a good man, a boy playing at being a man or just a jerk.
You get into a wreck because you can't stop those 2 loaded wagons in time and they can and will take your stuff. Look it up. Not only can the cops confiscate it people can and will sue.
Rick
buickanddeere
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I was afraid of that. The dreaded smart stupid syndrome .I have a kid like that.
rockyridgefarm
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And now you fellers have met Tirteen Fitty five.
Because Insurance is gonna replace someone's 3 year old daughter who you killed when you plowed into their minivan.
As I said - a TRUE idiot to hook up to a set of boxes like that with anything other than a big tractor.
Because Insurance is gonna replace someone's 3 year old daughter who you killed when you plowed into their minivan.
As I said - a TRUE idiot to hook up to a set of boxes like that with anything other than a big tractor.
Hey did I ever say I pull them to town no, I pull them in the
yard from the farm on my private roads let me know when I
said I pull them to the elevator. As I said I'm not gonna hit
anyone and when I do it will be with a tractor or semi. If you
knew when I used them and how you'd understand.
yard from the farm on my private roads let me know when I
said I pull them to the elevator. As I said I'm not gonna hit
anyone and when I do it will be with a tractor or semi. If you
knew when I used them and how you'd understand.
buickanddeere
Well-known Member
I'm a long way from being an English language honour role student with a 3.5. I can however point out a few grammar errors in your text.
I will admit that those iphones will "auto correct" some real stinkers into a sentence.
Are you playing us along or do you really not "get it"?
Anonymous-0
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All you intelligent fellows should take heed with regard to 'DS'1355 in that, "never argue with an id10t, they will drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience"......& from the sound of him, he has a lifetime of id10t experience.
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